Male Sunseeker Miqo Surnames?

So, I read the naming conventions. I saw they don't take on their family name because they are their own start to a new family.

It says that in place of a family name, they are given one based on their position in the tribe- which can either be Nuhn or Tia.

As a roleplayer, my character wasn't really part of any real tribe for a few different reasons. Is that breaking lore, then? Or rather, my character being a sunseeker male and not part of a tribe- do you think it's normal he'd just adopt his mother's family name?

If he had voluntarily departed his tribe, he probably would have adopted an alias in order to drop the connection properly.

IRL, names are things you are born with, rather than things you choose.

Also, if he adopted his mother's surname, he would be simultaneously adopting his grandfather's forename. I'm not sure that is what you are looking for.

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Originally Posted by Catapult

If he had voluntarily departed his tribe, he probably would have adopted an alias in order to drop the connection properly.

IRL, names are things you are born with, rather than things you choose.

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With this in mind, during character creation we temporarily play as the parent naming the child. The only difference being that parents can't choose their child's race or specific appearance.

When the Seekers of the Sun came to Eorzea from their homelands, there were only 26 tribes. Since that time, there have been some males who, instead of defeating their tribe's nunh and becoming a breeding male by normal means, opt to leave the tribe and form their own. However, it is rare for female Seekers of the Sun to follow these males, so these newly formed tribes almost always die out.

This does not mean that it doesn't happen.
If a male leaves to form his own tribe, he will replace the letter from his original tribe (for example, the "Y" in Y'shtola) with a new one. Since the 26 letters of the Eorzean alphabet are already taken, the new tribal prefix will be often be two letters (Ma -> Ma'shtola) which are of the tribe-forming male's choosing (and all people in his tribe will use that same prefix).

His last name will be Nunh, as he is now the new breeding male (as designated by himself) of his new tribe.

While not impossible (people can do what they want with their names), a Seeker of the Sun choosing his mother's name to be his last, would amount to shunning his culture and adopting the rules of the Keepers of the Moon. There will be some Seekers of the Sun who will respect this, but others who frown upon it.

Hope that helps!!

Thanks so much, Ferne! I'm learning so much, and I'm really happy you guys have put up all this lore for us.

Can I ask though, [as far as RP history has gone thus far, I am not sure if I should change it yet or not]. What if the Seeker of the Sun male left his tribe, but not necessarily to form another. Is he still technically given the Nuhn surname?

Does the "Ma" in your example mean that the male, previously a Y/jaguar has changed his guardian animal to a Marmot or is it another?

Additionally, what about the clans in where ever the Miqo'te originated or in Garlemald? Did they use different animals, or are there repeats from continent/nation to continent/nation? ARE there traditional tribes in Garlemald or were they maybe all brain washed into the soldier horde?

My question for Fern: if some of our discussions pose a question where you'll have to create an answer, will you add to the lore posts accordingly? I think that note above should be added to the Miqo'te naming conventions post.

I could be reading this wrong, but I believe the implication is that there is no such thing as a tribeless Mi'qote, even if you are a tribe of one. You can always choose to ignore that heritage, history, and culture - as many people in real life do as well - but it would probably be seen as a dishonerable choice by anyone in the original clans. I'm unsure how strongly Mi'qote hold tradition above independence, so Ferns will have to come back to be sure.

That being said, tribal societies tend to be very tightly nit, and anyone going against percieved social norms is considered a devient, possibily even dangerously so.

From a purely functional perspective since there is a required surname in the game, should male seekers fill in their character names with either Tia or Nunh only? If not then what should they put in? And what happens if you change rank :/

So much happy I can't even contain it. I haven't had my lorebone tickled like this since Eve's Chronicle stories. Thank you Ferne.

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Originally Posted by Torvald

From a purely functional perspective since there is a required surname in the game, should male seekers fill in their character names with either Tia or Nunh only?

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If you're wanting to keep with the game's lore, I'd assume so.

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If not then what should they put in?

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If you're not sticking to the lore and its naming conventions, then whatever you want.

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And what happens if you change rank :/

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I'm again just assuming here, but I'd say you should probably want to go with whichever surname-title you think would best fit your character's personality.

With Nunh, it would likely follow that you spent a lot of time within your tribe, donating your genetic material to sire the next generation, and were unbeatable when it came to challenges from other Tias for your position.

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Originally Posted by Fernehalwes

When the Seekers of the Sun came to Eorzea from their homelands, there were only 26 tribes. Since that time, there have been some males who, instead of defeating their tribe's nunh and becoming a breeding male by normal means, opt to leave the tribe and form their own. However, it is rare for female Seekers of the Sun to follow these males, so these newly formed tribes almost always die out.

This does not mean that it doesn't happen.
If a male leaves to form his own tribe, he will replace the letter from his original tribe (for example, the "Y" in Y'shtola) with a new one. Since the 26 letters of the Eorzean alphabet are already taken, the new tribal prefix will be often be two letters (Ma -> Ma'shtola) which are of the tribe-forming male's choosing (and all people in his tribe will use that same prefix).

His last name will be Nunh, as he is now the new breeding male (as designated by himself) of his new tribe.

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I spoke once again with the other Lore masters, and it appears that I left out one important bit of information.

There are tia within the 26 existing tribes who, instead of defeating an existing nunh, prove their worth to the tribe by extending its hunting grounds. These tia will venture out into the world and claim territory of their own (by either finding somewhere unoccupied, or taking an area by force from another tribe). If they can maintain it for an extended period of time, then they become the nunh of that area, while still remaining a member of their original tribe.

This actually happens quite often. And is far more accepted than merely leaving the tribe to make one's own (which, ultimately makes that person an outcast). This is why you will almost never see Seekers of the Sun with tribal letters beyond the original 26 (like the Ma'shtola I mentioned earlier). There are simply not that many, and those that do exist, rarely admit it, for fear of ostracism.


*Thanks for the suggestion about adding these new tidbits of info to the original posts. I'll definitely see to that once the smoke clears. :)

Because i not wanted to start a new Topic just for that Comment, i write it here, since it seem to suit it the best . . . somehow.

After reading the "Miqo’te - Seekers of the Sun" Male, it totally felt like i heard this kind of System somewhere before and then i remembered our Lions.

Sorry if it not suit in here at all. :p