Two Tanks?

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04-06-2011, 07:00 AM
Grimm

Two Tanks?

If they change the class system to a more traditional FF system I would like to see two types of tanks.

Physical and Magical.

Rift does this pretty well With a job called ''Void Knight'' that is a magical tank that can become stronger when taking magical damage. As-well as taking much less than other jobs. I think adding two types of tank's would add a lot more strategy into the game and end game once it is released. Thoughts?
04-06-2011, 08:17 AM
Kato3y

No .
04-06-2011, 08:21 AM
Grimm

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Originally Posted by Kato3y

No .

What a constructive well thought-out post, I like it!
04-06-2011, 09:35 AM
solracht

I'll be constructive, as the other poster is probably just butthurt from hearing the word "Rift" in your suggestion.

The problem with niche tanks (or anything really) is the fact that they're useless when they're outside their niche. How would you deal with this? You either accept that and make it easy to switch to a different thing (the way Rift does, I imagine) or you give them a secondary use for when they can't perform their niche.

I don't really know if most players would be happy with either approach. Do you really want a magic knight that you're not "allowed" to play unless the encounter is magic based? What do you do with your physical tank when that encounter comes?

You probably do want 2 tanks though, more if possible, but not limited to a niche like you're suggesting. By having several tanking classes it means you don't have to wait for a specific job. It may be harder for the developer to balance, but that's one thing they're being paid for.

EDIT: Edited out job names. It didn't get the point across.
04-06-2011, 09:37 AM
Verecund

inb4 THM TANK
04-06-2011, 09:45 AM
Zenaku

PLD can be both magic and Physical tank it can hold hate by doing magic spell and you can give them spell to block magic and Physical attacks.
04-06-2011, 09:47 AM
Grimm

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Originally Posted by solracht

I'll be constructive, as the other poster is probably just butthurt from hearing the word "Rift" in your suggestion.

The problem with niche tanks (or anything really) is the fact that they're useless when they're outside their niche. How would you deal with this? You either accept that and make it easy to switch to a different thing (the way Rift does, I imagine) or you give them a secondary use for when they can't perform their niche.

I don't really know if most players would be happy with either approach. Do you really want a mystic knight that you're not "allowed" to play unless the encounter is magic based? What do you do with your Paladin when that encounter comes?

You probably do want 2 tanks though, more if possible, but not limited to a niche like you're suggesting. By having several tanking classes it means you don't have to wait for a specific job. It may be harder for the developer to balance, but that's one thing they're being paid for.

Well that is a problem, I had one Idea of jobs having more than one role and then you set it up in your action bar. Like you can be a Hybrid or a full magical tank ect, So for example a Mystic Knight can have skills to cast spells on their weapons but what if they also allowed that to apply to armor. So you would choose to be full Tank and only cast on armor or full DD. So you can make them cost some AP to where you would have to really choose Fire armor and Ice weapon or, fire and ice armor to choose from.
04-06-2011, 12:05 PM
Winterclaw

I would like to see zero classes that are dedicated tanks. Sure some of them deserve to have tanking skills, but I don't like the idea of a class that can only hunker down.
04-06-2011, 12:17 PM
Grimm

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Originally Posted by Winterclaw

I would like to see zero classes that are dedicated tanks. Sure some of them deserve to have tanking skills, but I don't like the idea of a class that can only hunker down.

We have to see what they are doing with the battle system and class system first. Right now a tanking class would be pointless. But if they make the game so that the classes become jobs plus auto-attack tanking jobs will surely be around.
04-06-2011, 12:55 PM
Xatsh

I would vote for a mage tank, loved rdm tanking in XI. Although that was sorta an advanced nin tank.
04-06-2011, 01:41 PM
Nephera

Niche tanks do have their problems, but they can be fun to play too.
04-06-2011, 01:56 PM
Kilta_Firelotus

ffxi had multiples of each type. so whats the problem? we had like 4 healers, 3 tanks, several dd. and a few of those are hybrids of healer/ dd.

WoW does the same each class has several different roles to fill based on what tree you used.

classes will always have multiple roles. like dcuo each class as a dd style and either tank, healer or controler style. (based on what power you picked.)

Personally i wouls much rather look for other players then certain classes. This will make forming parties easyer and less likely hood of "job of the week". I don't wanna sit and wait fir hours like in ffxi because there was no pld around our whm. playing rdm got hard as I liked to melee and i just happen to be the only rdm around. PPl wasn't pleased with me.
04-06-2011, 05:02 PM
Evovenom

An solid RDM and PLD have tank side by side, I know, I had no problems. RDM will get hate often, of course I let him, it's pretty decent.
04-06-2011, 07:01 PM
Kato3y

Quote:

Originally Posted by solracht

I'll be constructive, as the other poster is probably just butthurt from hearing the word "Rift" in your suggestion.

Got the point.

There are not full magical monsters, why should we have full magical tank ?
04-06-2011, 07:52 PM
Abriael

We already have "magical" tanks in the game thanks to the armory system. I, for one, use a lot of magic to increase my aggro generation and resistance (heals, absorbs, bio and such).

With how the class system is implemented, you can easily decide to be a more physically oriented or magically oriented tank at leisure.

In any MMORPG the number of tanks needed for each group is much more limited than that of DD/Healers. Increasing the number of tank classes risks to overpopulate the tanking role, like it actually happened in FFXI.
Considering the fact that a LOT of people play Gladiator (and many end up having to double up as gimped damagers) I would say adding more tanks is unwarranted. Especially considering that variation already exists.

This, of course, not even counting the fact that we already have multiple jobs with tanking potential in the game. On top of gladiator both Marauder and Pugilist have tanking abilities, and can tank very well with the right ability setup.
04-06-2011, 08:25 PM
Grimm

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Originally Posted by Kato3y

Got the point.

There are not full magical monsters, why should we have full magical tank ?

I'm sorry but you are wrong. there are plenty of mobs that only use magical attacks. Maybe because the battle animations suck you don't realize this but one for example are the Imps. alot of the mobs have elemental attacks as well as melee. I for one would rather be able to take less damage from impish incantations and take more from a dodos stock attack.
04-06-2011, 08:31 PM
Renshi

I can tank as an archer. We should have Long-range Tanks too.
04-06-2011, 10:13 PM
Keftenk

Pretty much any job in this game can tank just fine.
04-06-2011, 10:24 PM
Grimm

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Originally Posted by Keftenk

Pretty much any job in this game can tank just fine.

If you read I was talking about if they change the current class system. There are no jobs in XIV.
04-07-2011, 01:19 AM
Kato3y

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Originally Posted by Grimm

I'm sorry but you are wrong. there are plenty of mobs that only use magical attacks. Maybe because the battle animations suck you don't realize this but one for example are the Imps. alot of the mobs have elemental attacks as well as melee. I for one would rather be able to take less damage from impish incantations and take more from a dodos stock attack.

Just lol Imps ! The basic attack of Imps is physical. So ok sure, a magical tank can handle a super mega magical spell from an Imp: 10 damages. But he will be dominated by a simple physical attack: 300 damages. WTF ? This class will be a massive FAIL.
04-07-2011, 01:29 AM
Evangela

Agility tanker.... and we already have PUG
04-07-2011, 02:08 AM
Fiosha_Maureiba

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kato3y

Just lol Imps ! The basic attack of Imps is physical. So ok sure, a magical tank can handle a super mega magical spell from an Imp: 10 damages. But he will be dominated by a simple physical attack: 300 damages. WTF ? This class will be a massive FAIL.

But if this were true, Magic Defense and Shell would be a laughing matter.

Sounds like somebodies forgot to add magic-using enemies.
04-07-2011, 02:14 AM
Galamantyl

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winterclaw

I would like to see zero classes that are dedicated tanks. Sure some of them deserve to have tanking skills, but I don't like the idea of a class that can only hunker down.

I am in favor of this.

Gear should be the main determining factor for whether or not you can tank, imo.
04-07-2011, 03:27 AM
Grimm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kato3y

Just lol Imps ! The basic attack of Imps is physical. So ok sure, a magical tank can handle a super mega magical spell from an Imp: 10 damages. But he will be dominated by a simple physical attack: 300 damages. WTF ? This class will be a massive FAIL.

You really can't be this stupid can you? who the hell said they would be weaker than a mage when it comes to melee damage. they would take the physical damage of say a DD when it comes to melee. and again not 10 DMG from a magical attack. stop being a moron and talking about extremes. You really can't be like this in real life can you?