Countering Leeching

people leeching while in party that go AFK and no movement for some amount of time need to be disconnected.

one thing i hated about version 1 and pertty much the only way people did level in a XP party. ruined FFXIV & FFXI's party structure.

if they dont counter it might as well give out offline XP where you can hit level cap without even logging in, like age of conan.

The auto-disconnect option existed, however, people usually turn it off because it did get quite annoying having to AFK for 5-15 minutes and come back disconnected.

Also, i believe they already give out offline XP. Rested Bonus.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

The auto-disconnect option existed, however, people usually turn it off because it did get quite annoying having to AFK for 5-15 minutes and come back disconnected.

Also, i believe they already give out offline XP. Rested Bonus.

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i dont mean that auto disconnect, other games like WoW have it like if your in a battle ground and go AFK you get booted out and you cant change that setting.

the rested XP is just a boost and limited, AOC in 40 days you get enough XP to allot to your characters to hit level 1-80 i dont wanna work then have leeches go do something else while im stuck play the game for them. if they dont counter it might as well do it since there not playing the game anyways when there logged in

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Originally Posted by indira

people leeching while in party that go AFK and no movement for some amount of time need to be disconnected.

one thing i hated about version 1 and pertty much the only way people did level in a XP party. ruined FFXIV & FFXI's party structure.

if they dont counter it might as well give out offline XP where you can hit level cap without even logging in, like age of conan.

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This is a retarded suggestion. Ever heard of kick the AFK player if you don't want them in your party?

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

This is a retarded suggestion. Ever heard of kick the AFK player if you don't want them in your party?

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you talking that trash but kick someones friend then party falls apart, drama, and other BS. i think you might be a leech to stick up for them. other mmo's boot the leeches

Vote to kick option.

I would kick someone, if someone else in your party is friends with the retard you kicked, if they get upset kick them too.

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Originally Posted by indira

you talking that trash but kick someones friend then party falls apart, drama, and other BS. i think you might be a leech to stick up for them. other mmo's boot the leeches

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If you're playing with people like that, it's best not to anymore. Don't associate yourself with people just because they're the only ones there.

Heavens I've had a friend AFK for a good 10 minutes in the middle of a friggen moogle party. I sure as hell wouldn't want him to have been booted out of the instance.

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Originally Posted by Keku

I would kick someone, if someone else in your party is friends with the retard you kicked, if they get upset kick them too.

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oh believe me i give the boot if im lead. just annoying people have no courtesy and there could be someone who actually plays the game waiting for a party while a leech takes his/her place.

like Rau Lecreuset said above we need a /vote to kick.

If someones friend gets mad that you kicked someone that was blatantly leaching. Then the angry person needs to tell the afk person when they get back not to screw over 5+ other people.

Emergencys happen to cause people to have to afk, but if it is going to be more then 2-3 mins the logical thing to do is remove yourself unless the group agrees to wait longer. Leaving for an extended time without telling the group is fair grounds to be kicked... that person who is complaining should also be kicked because he/she is apparently a noob for defending the person screwing over the party in the first part.

Key to this is to tell the party what is going on, if the player does not. well it is that players fault 100% that they got kicked.

I think the game should have no rights to kick you. It should be 100% in the partys hands.

also though on a side note, I am not saying kick people as soon as they go afk or anything, for those who seem offended. If you go afk much longer then you say, or for unreasonable times. Then you deserve to be kicked.

As for 10min in a moogle fight, if there was a really good reason, things happen. If not... it's max 30min, so he missed probably 50% because it's normally under 20min. Do they really deserve anything for being there less then half the fight? As I said if they have a real good reason fine.

A vote option could be acceptable yes, since sometimes the leaders are the afk people even.. I would also just not play with them.

-We already have a functioning in-game option for a party leader to 'oust' any member of the party. If the party leader afks, the group can reform without him. No need for getting booted out of game if afk.

-People remember who was nice and helpful and who was a leeching AFKer. People who consistantly AFK, leech, or are just unpleasant in general, get a bad reputation and ultimately, pay the price. Linkshells drop them/won't recruit them, they have trouble finding parties..etc. Again, no need to have the game punish them.

-Also, there ARE legitimate reasons people go afk. Reasons they communicate to the party and that are okay'd that would maybe extend past the 10-15 minute window you are suggesting. The game can't tell the difference between 'Oh crap guys I'm really sorry but my toddler is puking all over the floor got to afk!' and just silently going afk while others farm coffers for you for 30 minutes.

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Originally Posted by indira

you talking that trash but kick someones friend then party falls apart, drama, and other BS. i think you might be a leech to stick up for them. other mmo's boot the leeches

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I'm not sticking up for leechers. But we don't need special systems to combat them. If you find something unpleasant, you have the power to remove that unpleasantry from your game experience. Automated mechanical punishments suck. People might have a legitimate reason to be AFK for a certain amount of time. you can't just decide some arbitrary AFK time means a person is intentionally leeching. Or maybe someone is dualboxing and they already know how to play and they're just trying to level up their alternate quickly. Who are you to decide what's right or wrong here?

I really don't give a rats behind about an AFK person's friends. If they're not willing to stick with the party after kicking an idle person, then I don't want to play with them either. If they want to start drama, I just blacklist them. Problem solved.

The real leeching problem came with the Chocobo Caravans. They placed in a counter-measure but many of the leechers had already gotten the coveted Choco Helm.

Hopefully the FATE system will have a similar counter-measure.

Also, remember that things like FATE and Chocobo Caravans aren't set up so you play with your party. It's whoever wanted to participate. What made the caravans so frustrating is that the leechers would take a spot (as it was first come first serve with 8 max participants) and those that actually wanted to actively participate and help were locked out.

Bleh... they should do something to counter power-leveling in this game.

I mean 1.0, you could get all your classes to 50 relatively quickly just getting power-leveled. Which was lazy... and nobody knew how to play their classes, much less knew what the skills did.

To level I would think people should have to contribute to the battle, not just standing around leeching EXP. That shows its just too easy lol.

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Originally Posted by xXHalloweenTrixXx

Bleh... they should do something to counter power-leveling in this game.

I mean 1.0, you could get all your classes to 50 relatively quickly just getting power-leveled. Which was lazy... and nobody knew how to play their classes, much less knew what the skills did.

To level I would think people should have to contribute to the battle, not just standing around leeching EXP. That shows its just too easy lol.

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You can't counter powerleveling. People will find a way to do it no matter what counters you think up. Besides, what business is it of yours how fast somebody else levels?

People do have to contribute to battles if they want the fastest EXP. By not contributing, you're killing things slower. By killing things slower, you're getting EXP slower. The vast majority of people aren't "powerleveled" or leeching. Typically, if you do these things, you're just that much worse off when you reach the level cap, as leeching/power leveling teaches you nothing about playing the game. Their poor play will catch up with them when they try to do anything of significance. Just leave these people be.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

You can't counter powerleveling. People will find a way to do it no matter what counters you think up. Besides, what business is it of yours how fast somebody else levels?

People do have to contribute to battles if they want the fastest EXP. By not contributing, you're killing things slower. By killing things slower, you're getting EXP slower.

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I think its everybody's business especially when they try to party with you and don't know how to play their class despite being at max level.

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Originally Posted by xXHalloweenTrixXx

I think its everybody's business especially when they try to party with you and don't know how to play their class despite being at max level.

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Then you kick those people and find people who are competent. It's everyone's choice whether they want to suck or not, and it's your choice to play with them or not.

I can't quote it because I'm on my phone but...

Yoshi P has made comments that he is not against power leveling. So I wouldn't expect features to be added that impede power leveling, or being afk. And I'd wager to guess that the toggle allowing to be booted had everything to do with reducing server loads, and nothing to do with the prevention of leeching.

I fear the waiting timers on dungeons cause then my whole party could get kicked o___o

Yeah, leeching is annoying but kicking someone from party for it shouldn't be feared. I mean, if people will make drama cause you kicked someone for leeching then what are you even doing with those people. It's a pt leader's responsibility. All it takes is a little backbone. Or. . . . we could get vote kick implemented. Set the rules beforehand on how long is appropriate to AFK "suddenly" or something. . . .

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

You can't counter powerleveling. People will find a way to do it no matter what counters you think up. Besides, what business is it of yours how fast somebody else levels?

People do have to contribute to battles if they want the fastest EXP. By not contributing, you're killing things slower. By killing things slower, you're getting EXP slower. The vast majority of people aren't "powerleveled" or leeching. Typically, if you do these things, you're just that much worse off when you reach the level cap, as leeching/power leveling teaches you nothing about playing the game. Their poor play will catch up with them when they try to do anything of significance. Just leave these people be.

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Yeah and if a MMORPG does a good job of the leveling process then the player is also sacrificing the fun of taking their time and doing things as intended. Most players don't power level because they want to have fun while they play and power leveling is anything but fun for the player. It's convenient if your in a hurry to the top but thats it.

As for leeching it was exagerated in XIV because of the way some of the content worked which i believe was due to limitations. Hopefully that won't be an issue in 2.0. Abyssea in XI is the kind of content i hope SE avoid like the plague, speed leveling with such large groups for such long periods of time was so easy to leech if you wanted to...