FFXIV Trolls

I've been reading a lot of threads recently and it seems like whenever somebody voices distaste for the FFXIV's systems or the way SE has been handling things they are inevitably labeled as a troll.

I honestly disagree with this. I don't think there are many trolls at all. I'm sure all of these people want the game to be changed for the better. I don't believe anybody would be wasting their time on a forum for a game they knew/wanted to die.

Just my thoughts.

Its not that they are voicing what they dislike about XIV. Its how.

It's worse than you think actually.

The moderators are suspending accounts and closing any threads in which there is a disagreement between two crowds of people. For example, there was a WoW thread a while ago that was locked because the moderator felt "comparing FFXIV to other titles" creates undesired debates, then slapped the FFXIV forum guidelines in their post (which had nothing to do with the thread's validity mind you). I was not the creator of the thread, but I didn't see anything wrong with the subject matter.

This is likely due to one of two things: the forum moderators here have a bias'ed interpretation of what's considered an offensive argument, or the forum moderators are trying to isolate a specific group of opinions in order to influence feedback somehow.

I got suspended for two forum posts that were completely relevant and on-topic, with a constructive point of view on each thread. They still have not given me an explanation as to how I violated the forum guidelines either.

I wouldn't be surprised if this post (or thread) was deleted (or locked) also. So you not only have the users wrongly accusing you of trolling, you've even got SquareEnix wrongly accusing you of trolling as well. There's no way to win.

The guidelines were slapped in the thread because of the arguments. Comparing FFXIV to other games is also frowned upon and is nonconstructive and irrelevant due to the fact that "FFXIV is not trying to copy other games." (as mentioned by Yoshida)

Normally 'trolls' are labled just that because they feed off of peoples responses, thats how they get there kicks basically. So they will log on forums create chaos, retarded offensive things.. because its the easiest way to get people offended.

I mean, for example if what TheVedis said about Belgian holds true(i'm not on there server so it could be false) then this is a prime example of someone still logging into a game they say they hate just for the sake of trying to offend people.

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He does nothing but create threads that are inflamatory and meant to cause arguements like the one we are having here now
And for those of us unfortunate enough to be on his server, all he does ALL DAY is sit in Uldah talking trash about the game, to the point where he has actualy been jailed for it several times(see his video)
right now hes sitting at broken water on an alt 10 feet from me, (its name is Warcraft Cataclysm) and hes purposely entering behest here to take up a spot, even though hes rank 1, denying others the chance to get SP from it. Also did i mention hes out here talking about warcraft alot?

the guy is a nuisance, and not just on these forums either, hes actualy banned from quite a few others

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it was more things like this that I was referring to in the Slot-Cost thread which I'm guessing this thread was created in light of. (which btw re-read what I wrote, didnt mean that I was against slot-cost.. I edited it just not in time cuz I figured someone would take it that way)

The ones that are mainly labeled as trolls are the ones that simply go "Blah Blah XIV SUCKS BLAH BLAH!" They complain over and over and add nothing constructive at all about what will help the game. We all have frustrations but a few seem to want to pick at open wounds and pretend they want the game to be a success. Everything we could say to bash SE has already been stated over and over again.

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Originally Posted by Nuru

The guidelines were slapped in the thread because of the arguments. Comparing FFXIV to other games is also frowned upon and is nonconstructive and irrelevant due to the fact that "FFXIV is not trying to copy other games." (as mentioned by Yoshida)

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Despite public articles prior to the game's release stating inspirational sources, okay. Well, despite that fact, whether it tries not to copy other games, it's still got the vanilla MMO recipe in there, so can't possibly see how comparisons to other games aren't constructive or relevant. If SquareEnix didn't want that, they shouldn't have created an MMO.

What YOU consider constructive/relevant, is just an opinion.

( /waits to see if he gets accused of being a troll even though he made a perfectly valid argument with examples )

There are alot of trolls on both sides of the table

there is however a wide misunderstanding of what a troll actualy is, and people yell troll and fanboy whenever they arent getting people to agree with them

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Originally Posted by Trocien

I've been reading a lot of threads recently and it seems like whenever somebody voices distaste for the FFXIV's systems or the way SE has been handling things they are inevitably labeled as a troll.

I honestly disagree with this. I don't think there are many trolls at all. I'm sure all of these people want the game to be changed for the better. I don't believe anybody would be wasting their time on a forum for a game they knew/wanted to die.

Just my thoughts.

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You haven't been on the internet for that long then... >.>

Either way I agree with MZ.

Also

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Originally Posted by Galamantyl

It's worse than you think actually.

The moderators are suspending accounts and closing any threads in which there is a disagreement between two crowds of people. For example, there was a WoW thread a while ago that was locked because the moderator felt "comparing FFXIV to other titles" creates undesired debates, then slapped the FFXIV forum guidelines in their post (which had nothing to do with the thread's validity mind you). I was not the creator of the thread, but I didn't see anything wrong with the subject matter.

This is likely due to one of two things: the forum moderators here have a bias'ed interpretation of what's considered an offensive argument, or the forum moderators are trying to isolate a specific group of opinions in order to influence feedback somehow.

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OR, it could just be that due to the general vibe of the posters on the official forums thus far, they've decided that those types of threads are relatively pointless, lead to unsubstantiated insults against posters or other instances of trolling(not necessarily the OP's), and are a pain in the ass to moderate.

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Originally Posted by wind

Normally 'trolls' are labled just that because they feed off of peoples responses, thats how they get there kicks basically. So they will log on forums create chaos, retarded offensive things.. because its the easiest way to get people offended.

I mean, for example if what TheVedis said about Belgian holds true(i'm not on there server so it could be false) then this is a prime example of someone still logging into a game they say they hate just for the sake of trying to offend people.

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QFT. he does.

Lol people cry troll easily to anybody that doesn't agree with them.
The only people that are 'trolls' on here write their ideas in a negative way but
people still shout troll all the time.
Kind of like IRL when people call eachother racist on stupid disagreements

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Originally Posted by Galamantyl

I am in favor of trolls

I am strongly against trolling

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See, I get called a troll for that, but I really do want to see large monstrous trolls in FFXIV that I can fight against, but I'm against people trolling in the FFXIV forums. Where's the harm in that? Why should my post get deleted for voicing a reasonable opinion?

Was it in the thread with possible NM's for the future or mobs in general or just a random thread. If it was a in a random thread then you probably made that remark out of sarcasm or towards someone rather then a 'reasonable opinion'. If it was in a mob/nm thread then ya thats a diff story.

Meh, the community here on these forums is by far the most immature I've seen in comparison with any other FFXIV forums. Another example is; (for lack of a better term) the people here are typically lame enough to believe that they should make a new thread every time they get some stupid idea, entertaining the thought THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY gives a shit and wants to read it. Nobody cares that you think we shouldn't have 2 names, we should have 1. Seriously, enough is enough. These forums have done nothing but attract stupid people by the masses.

Write something useful for once.

And good, the moderators should suspend twice as many accounts as they do now. Nothing but nonconstructive flaming and bashing for the most part here.

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Originally Posted by Galamantyl

See, I get called a troll for that, but I really do want to see large monstrous trolls in FFXIV that I can fight against, but I'm against people trolling in the FFXIV forums. Where's the harm in that? Why should my post get deleted for voicing a reasonable opinion?

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I see what you did there...

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Originally Posted by BadJoeRed

Meh, the community here on these forums is by far the most immature I've seen in comparison with any other FFXIV forums. Another example is; (for lack of a better term) the people here are typically lame enough to believe that they should make a new thread every time they get some stupid idea, entertaining the thought THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY gives a shit and wants to read it. Nobody cares that you think we shouldn't have 2 names, we should have 1. Seriously, enough is enough. These forums have done nothing but attract stupid people by the masses.

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If anything, this should prove my point about the notion of the FFXI community being "more mature" than other MMO communities being nothing but a farce.

To address your other point, problem is that we can't be expected to give feedback when there's nothing new being introduced to give feedback on.

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Originally Posted by Galamantyl

See, I get called a troll for that, but I really do want to see large monstrous trolls in FFXIV that I can fight against, but I'm against people trolling in the FFXIV forums. Where's the harm in that? Why should my post get deleted for voicing a reasonable opinion?

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I can assume that the mod read it once and thought you meant you like the online douches and not the actual mob type of troll.

I always suggest alternative solutions to current broken systems. It's not like I bring nothing to the table as some of you seem to suggest. I always encourage civil discussion in my threads. We're all on the same team here. I just value future success for FFXIV than some others.

And Wind... Warcraft Cataclysm is not me.. Proof: http://i.imgur.com/f5Wb1.jpg

I can't stand world of warcraft (or any other MMO aside from FFXI).

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Originally Posted by BelgianRofl

I always suggest alternative solutions to current broken systems. It's not like I bring nothing to the table as some of you seem to suggest. I always encourage civil discussion in my threads. We're all on the same team here. I just value future success for FFXIV than some others.

And Wind... Warcraft Cataclysm is not me.. Proof: http://i.imgur.com/f5Wb1.jpg

I can't stand world of warcraft (or any other MMO aside from FFXI).

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LMAO that is funny sir, I just loled

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Originally Posted by BelgianRofl

I always suggest alternative solutions to current broken systems. It's not like I bring nothing to the table as some of you seem to suggest. I always encourage civil discussion in my threads. We're all on the same team here. I just value future success for FFXIV than some others.

And Wind... Warcraft Cataclysm is not me.. Proof: http://i.imgur.com/f5Wb1.jpg

I can't stand world of warcraft (or any other MMO aside from FFXI).

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he sure was acting like you
and he never denied he wasnt you, in fact he almost claimed to be you at that

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Originally Posted by Akumu

I can assume that the mod read it once and thought you meant you like the online douches and not the actual mob type of troll.

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That can't be right because I said I was strongly against trolling. I was pretty clear. ;D

I will admit that I just try to make people mad in Besaid, but not on these forums. I offer great solutions on these forums because the devs are undoubtedly following my posts.

There aren't very many trolls around here. Usually when someone calls another person a troll its simply because they are losing an argument and can't come up with anything else to say, so might as well damage their character right?

Did somebody said Trolls ?

I pull the troll card on those who use petty insult to form an opinion or argument against another person. Like using lervels, play time, take a job at post count and say you have no life. I don't like uaing petty terms, but I got the right to fully express my distast of rude posting.
forum pro tip: attack the argument not the poster.

Also Aions is actually A LOT worst then this site.

The forum has as many believe-it clowns who will accept any product as it has corrupted former fans with ulterior motive and self-entitlement. Both are useless to Square Enix. One fools them into thinking this product is acceptable, and the other fools them into thinking this product has no hope.

If I had to choose a side, I'd say the affected haters have more of a role here than the decadent fanboys do. Get busy living or get busy dying. Worst outcome here is for it to continue as-is, which is what would happen if the fanboys weren't checked.

Honestly, some people just deserve it. Mostly people saying "X sucks" without giving any reason as to why or fixes are a primary example of people that need a little common sense beat into them.

Corrderio - I agree that creating a thread and only saying FFXIV SUCKS is not helping the situation at all. I honestly do not see many any such threads.

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Originally Posted by BadJoeRed

Meh, the community here on these forums is by far the most immature I've seen in comparison with any other FFXIV forums.

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I assume you haven't looked at the gamefaqs Final Fantasy XIV board, then. =P

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Originally Posted by BelgianRofl

Corrderio - I agree that creating a thread and only saying FFXIV SUCKS is not helping the situation at all. I honestly do not see many any such threads.

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Well that's where most of the "OMG your'e a troll" things seem to spawn from. I mean it's a no brainer the game needs a lot of work but saying people that play fanboys, saying something sucks without providing reasons as to why or at least giving suggestions, comparing X game to XIV, and so on really aren't doing a lot of help either.

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Originally Posted by Trocien

I've been reading a lot of threads recently and it seems like whenever somebody voices distaste for the FFXIV's systems or the way SE has been handling things they are inevitably labeled as a troll.

I honestly disagree with this. I don't think there are many trolls at all. I'm sure all of these people want the game to be changed for the better. I don't believe anybody would be wasting their time on a forum for a game they knew/wanted to die.

Just my thoughts.

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Troll thread.

Gifthorse...

It has been agreed upon that a troll post would be someone making a thread saying, "FFXIV Sucks" without offering any sort of solution to any problem. I believe that you could prove your point much more if you would elaborate your position a little bit. It would add something meaningful to the discussion instead of what comes off as a double-standard.

Here you go guys, here's some real quality trolling right here:

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

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Originally Posted by Galamantyl

The argument Nyrumi made was that Summoner should be in every FF game, yet was not even in the first FF game to begin with.

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Originally Posted by Galamantyl

The insanity stops here.

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First off, that last line (↑) would be good sig for you - but just shorten it to /insanity

On Summoners: Bahamut actually was in the first FF game -- though not as a summon. But still it predates the first appearance of Chocobos (FFII), which I'm sure you would oppose in FFXIV as a matter of consistency, amiright?

Wait, whats this??

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Originally Posted by Galamantyl

I am in favor of the addition of chocobos that cost large amounts of gil to rent (even more to buy and raise)

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Hmmm..

Obvious troll is obvious.

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Just to make it more clear: the poster Zantetsuken dug up an OLD post of mine from a thread completely unrelated to the thread this was in (summoners). I made sure to retain all the see-post links so you can see for yourself.

I had to bring this up here, because it's a prime example of what the OP is talking about. I can't see how a single statement in any of my posts was meant to offend anyone, and somehow merit being a troll. The "insanity stops here" comment was about the closest you could get, and that was taken out of context.

It is truly my own personal opinion that chocobos should cost gil to rent/own. How does that statement make me a troll?

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

Also Aions is actually A LOT worst then this site.

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About the same, actually. Granted, it's been a few months since I've been there, but the last time I there it was about the same, and maybe even slightly less inflammatory, to be honest.

There needs to be a bit more give and take in the community.

There are a lot of strong personalities on these forums, and more often than not, it is these same vocal few who like to make themselves heard (no names).

Bottom line, its ok to have a different opinions! The world would be incredibly boring if we all shared the same ideals owned identical outlooks in life. We ALL want the game to improve and be a success (we wouldn't be here otherwise), but the FFXIV community needs to pave the road.

Hear. Feel. Think. (sorry, couldn't resist!)

I agree with the OP. I made a one sentence post the other day about how I thought the updates were slow and lackluster, and about 5 people wrote me several paragraphs on how flawed of a troll I am and that I should quit FFXIV. I repeat, I wrote one sentence on how I personally felt.

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

Its not that they are voicing what they dislike about XIV. Its how.

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I agree - as long as that's applied to both sides. I've seen people get pounced for respectfully expressing their opinion negatively. "It's how" needs to be applied to both sides if we are to truly grow. Sentences like this implying it's only the people with negative opinions voicing opinions poorly further serves to polarize and divide the community.

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Originally Posted by BelgianRofl

I will admit that I just try to make people mad in Besaid, but not on these forums. I offer great solutions on these forums because the devs are undoubtedly following my posts.

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I loled...............

No one is a troll on this forum. Everyone here cares about this game and purchased the game because they took interest in it. The troublemakers are just the most caring of all of them. The ones who really don't care have never even registered on here. Take that into account when you are evaluating a "troll".