Long term idea. Mini wards.

Were a very long ways from ever needing this, both in content and players, but something I wondered about, how about camps or outposts having mini wards, like a single ward where you can sell at outposts/camps with retainers and such things that be handy for in the field, like repair items, food, ammo, and such maybe only allow 20-30 people at a time selling and after 24 hours are removed to allow more room for people.

That's what bazaars are for IMO

Maybe now when people have nothing better to do then leave their char at random outposts for hours on end while sleeping or such, but a retainer is something that works even when your NOT there and elsewhere, it would allow finding stuff in fields or selling a way to get more ecnomy going, especially in more remote areas, I might not hang out at a camp idling, but I mgith setup a retainer there to sell stuff. right now other then dragon head, any camp outside of the first few starting areas will require heading back to town every day or so, and doesn't really give much ability to explore or just find a better camp.

They should delete the market wards and improve their network system so that retainers can be placed anywhere in the world. The retainers could set up a booth or a mat on the ground or something displaying their wares. SE could implement a search feature that searches the zone you're in for items and then puts an indicator on your map of where to find the item you want.

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Originally Posted by gifthorse

They should delete the market wards and improve their network system so that retainers can be placed anywhere in the world. The retainers could set up a booth or a mat on the ground or something displaying their wares. SE could implement a search feature that searches the zone you're in for items and then puts an indicator on your map of where to find the item you want.

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yes, let's move the wards into Ul'dah's adventurer's guild. Brilliant.

/sarcasm

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Originally Posted by solracht

yes, let's move the wards into Ul'dah's adventurer's guild. Brilliant.

/sarcasm

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Gee, how will we ever get around that issue? Maybe by restricting retainers to certain areas? :rolleyes:

watch's the best farming spots having more retainers then monsters and players!

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Originally Posted by gifthorse

They should delete the market wards and improve their network system so that retainers can be placed anywhere in the world. The retainers could set up a booth or a mat on the ground or something displaying their wares. SE could implement a search feature that searches the zone you're in for items and then puts an indicator on your map of where to find the item you want.

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I agree with this 100% but if you could combine this with the OP's idea, and make outposts and small towns have combined market wards that span a global economy, that would be great. So to sum up my input: move market wards to outposts/small towns and have them be global market wards,

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Originally Posted by gifthorse

Gee, how will we ever get around that issue? Maybe by restricting retainers to certain areas? :rolleyes:

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I assume you're planning on not letting them be placed in areas such as: adventurer's guild, aetherytes, around the repair npcs, around the retainer bells, around the support npcs in the guilds, around the guild counters, city exits?

What's the point then? Attaining some kind of fake sense of immersion by having hundreds of zombies standing in whichever hallway is the most popular, and probably ruining that part of the city for a lot of people? Because I think you're delusional if you think the result from your idea would be a nice, immersive city with player vendors all over the place.

You'd get the wards outside the wards. At least the retainers don't bother anyone there and we won't even have to step in if they adjust the system as they should.

The one or two random guys who might set up a shop by the faraway camps will be cool to have, have to admit that. That could be an entirely different idea altogether however (such as the one actually suggested by the OP), but there's no need to take steps back to implement that.

How about an auction house? Radical idea, I know. But then you can just have a centralized location to go to and, get this, talk to one NPC to get anything you need!

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Originally Posted by Warp

How about an auction house? Radical idea, I know. But then you can just have a centralized location to go to and, get this, talk to one NPC to get anything you need!

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....dude, moving the market wards outside of the city of course you need an AH. I thought it was implied.

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Originally Posted by solracht

I assume you're planning on not letting them be placed in areas such as: adventurer's guild, aetherytes, around the repair npcs, around the retainer bells, around the support npcs in the guilds, around the guild counters, city exits?

What's the point then? Attaining some kind of fake sense of immersion by having hundreds of zombies standing in whichever hallway is the most popular, and probably ruining that part of the city for a lot of people? Because I think you're delusional if you think the result from your idea would be a nice, immersive city with player vendors all over the place.

You'd get the wards outside the wards. At least the retainers don't bother anyone there and we won't even have to step in if they adjust the system as they should.

The one or two random guys who might set up a shop by the faraway camps will be cool to have, have to admit that. That could be an entirely different idea altogether however (such as the one actually suggested by the OP), but there's no need to take steps back to implement that.

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Why not make them instanced as they are now but just move the entrance to the outposts? And change the hallway to like a field with a cool tent in the back ground. Exact same as current wards just at outposts

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Originally Posted by Anathiel

....dude, moving the market wards outside of the city of course you need an AH. I thought it was implied.

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How is that implied? All I'm reading is an idea that is suggesting to flood non-instanced areas with more epic fail retainers. But I'll go one step further, how about instead of mini-wards... SE places Auction NPCs at the camps and aetherytes... and they can link them all.

People need to stop suggesting retarded ideas.

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Originally Posted by gifthorse

They should delete the market wards and improve their network system so that retainers can be placed anywhere in the world. The retainers could set up a booth or a mat on the ground or something displaying their wares. SE could implement a search feature that searches the zone you're in for items and then puts an indicator on your map of where to find the item you want.

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not a bad Idea actually mabinogi did this. in a sence.

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Originally Posted by Warp

How is that implied? All I'm reading is an idea that is suggesting to flood non-instanced areas with more epic fail retainers. But I'll go one step further, how about instead of mini-wards... SE places Auction NPCs at the camps and aetherytes... and they can link them all.

People need to stop suggesting retarded ideas.

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Because they already have market wards, and AH's should only be in cities.

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Originally Posted by Warp

How is that implied? All I'm reading is an idea that is suggesting to flood non-instanced areas with more epic fail retainers. But I'll go one step further, how about instead of mini-wards... SE places Auction NPCs at the camps and aetherytes... and they can link them all.

People need to stop suggesting retarded ideas.

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only epic fail is aution house. Unless they do it like WoW just more organized. Sorry but an auction isn't you buy it out right. It where you bid on things. And currently ffxi unless they do merge it don;t have longevity. since it requires player contribution. Like windurst ah on my cureent server is all but empty. I would have to travel to jeuno to update gear. This kinda stupid.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

only epic fail is aution house. Unless they do it like WoW just more organized. Sorry but an auction isn't you buy it out right. It where you bid on things. And currently ffxi unless they do merge it don;t have longevity. since it requires player contribution. Like windurst ah on my cureent server is all but empty. I would have to travel to jeuno to update gear. This kinda stupid.

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Hmm, that's strange. I find that the Auction Houses work just fine in FFXI... and this is going on 8 years :)

When the game had a healthy population, with a lot of new players, they didn't need to merge them. However, they are merging them in the next major update due to player population. Also, if you think an auction house is a place where you cannot buy things outright, you need to read more about them.

I'm trying really hard not to have an internet fight xD lol, but really A LOT of people want an AH and a sizeable chunk want to keep the market wards. Why couldn't we just have both and make the MW more interesting and useful? No need for name calling or calling someone elses idea stupid. What you said earlier was good kilta, about having all AHs connected.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

only epic fail is aution house.

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Actually the only epic fail is the lack of imagination from this playerbase when it comes to thinking of these systems. There isn't only one kind of auction house. In fact, it doesn't even matter what you or I think of what an action house really is.

What most people want in these games is a system (call it whatever you want) that allows you to quickly and easily browse, buy, sell and trade wares with other players. Most of the times this system is called AH by the developers, and most of the times it's not a "true" AH. It doesn't matter as long as the system works, though.

The wards don't fully fit there yet (you can't accomplish the things I mentioned as quickly or easily) which is why so many people still want an "auction house".

There's going to be massive crying when things are done, however, because XI's model had flaws (price history was actually pretty bad for the economy), and I honestly doubt that'll be the kind of system we'll end up with. That's not necessarily a bad thing, however, and it doesn't mean we won't end up with an "auction house".

TLDR, people who actually mean "I want XI's auction house" rather than "I want a functional market system (based around an AH)" are going to be dissapointed.

Actually, how about both? My idea for wards outside of cities, for camps and outposts, but a AH or such for inside cities. It actually makes sense that cities would have amore complicated setup for buying and selling, where as camps and outposts would just simply be a bunch of people standing around, wether retainers or players.

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Originally Posted by wolfwing

Actually, how about both? My idea for wards outside of cities, for camps and outposts, but a AH or such for inside cities. It actually makes sense that cities would have amore complicated setup for buying and selling, where as camps and outposts would just simply be a bunch of people standing around, wether retainers or players.

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...lol I said that.

heh I didn't see that. BUt....hmmmm I had a thought on companies...

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Originally Posted by Warp

How about an auction house? Radical idea, I know. But then you can just have a centralized location to go to and, get this, talk to one NPC to get anything you need!

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We have that. It's called the Market Wards. And you don't even need to talk to and NPC! You just walk up to them and get asked automatically what you're searching for! It's awesome!

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Originally Posted by Warp

Hmm, that's strange. I find that the Auction Houses work just fine in FFXI... and this is going on 8 years :)

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Naw, they don't work all that fine. Unless you call monopoly and artificial price manipulation fine.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

We have that. It's called the Market Wards. And you don't even need to talk to and NPC! You just walk up to them and get asked automatically what you're searching for! It's awesome!

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Everything you need != searching for items.