SE hates Mages?

- useless offensive magic

- Shell/Protect nerfed

- you can AoE a group of monster but you'll get exp/sp from only one

- 1000~1300 max hp, 3 hits or 1 skill hit from a monster cost your life (at this moment, when Shell/Protect nerfed)

- and you need 100+ vit allotment just to have little more hp, can take one more hit from mobs

- WTF is elemental allotment? I reassign them so many time and still can't see any different

- potato sack is your gear!! wear it!!

- no r50 weapon, no top rank unique weapon

- a piece of branch is your staff/rod!! use it!

- AM.... wait 25 sec, 100MP and deal 50 critical damage to the Great Buffalo

- 15~30 action bar slots need, but you have to live with the worst action bar in the MMO history

- when you want to scroll down to 2nd or 3rd action bar, you press UP or DOWN and it toggle your target type and then you die because your action bar and target type was fu--ed up

just make the dialog display it .

no just joking, but yes, we hate them.

Be a good healer and go make me a sammich
you dont need to nuke :D

Errr....even without Vit you won't get one shotted by anything your level.

Oh look, its you again crying about Protect and Shell

Troll ;\

It's the truth

if you can't accept the truth then you're worse than trolls

It's not as good as the OPness it was before, sure. But it's far from useless.

I am feeling this pain a bit as a DD Conjurer, however equipment takes a big role here, and it seems you don't have up to date gear. Even with lower rank stuff, I still do more damage than most others in the group if I look up the elemental weaknesses. However, I do get 2-3 shot with bad gear.

Macros make the 30+ skills just fine though, switching between the elements with only a single press. Also, elemental allotment effects everyone, why even bring it up?

Wow. You must be a bad mage Evangela. O.o

I can do upwards of 200 dmg with offensive magic on anything my level

they have nerfed shell/protect but they STILL work as intended. go solo a boar as a mage with protect and see what it does to you >_>

Learn2notAOE

needs moar vit

You put more points in vit to be invincible! (well not really, but certainly will not die easily then >_>)

You're doing it wrong

... You're still doing it wrong....

Why do we need r50 weapons again? We dont ACTUALLY hit anything with them, we're mages (though I would like an r50 weapon, you know, for my epeen)

I honestly dont know what to say to this. What were you expecting? Halberds?

AM is pretty rubbish, i agree with you there

Really? A good player never blames his tools

See above


Seriously, there is no one class without its problems, but I'd be much happier for SE to fix the current problems at hand (battle mechanics, lack of content, Gridania) and then focus on balancing out than nitpicking all the little kinks in CON/THM.

If you are getting killed in 3 hits or 1 hit with WS, WITH Protect/Shell up, you must be wearing weathered gear or something, because I know mages who can tank some of the NM's...

Seriously, I love this kind of topics. SE hates class X, so funny.

The most funny part is that the people crying about it are probably seriously believing the crap they are writing. Why would SE hate any class. Do you have any proper and valid explanation for that?

You can say class X is broken, please look into this .... but this crap is just annoying and you are showing the whole community what kind of fool you are, seriously ... think twice before opening another useless topic.

I see no probs in the offensive magic. Taking conjurer as an example, pick an enemy, consider it's elemental weakness. 9/10 you will kill it (and it's friend) before you even touches 1/2 life.

I personally think that the magic is fine, it's just a case of finding out when it is most effective

edit: Also, armour is key. If you run in as a magic user dressed in full gladiator armour, you're going to be killed. Less effective than using harsh language

Agree with the OP, don't screw us mages over.

Why are people complaining when the entire system is currently being revamped?

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Originally Posted by Evangela

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BS. I use my offensive magic as my primary damage quite a bit, and it definitely kills things faster.

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- Shell/Protect nerfed

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Well, I take less damage with these up, so they're working a little at least.

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- you can AoE a group of monster but you'll get exp/sp from only one

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This is complete, 100% bull****. When I do levequests solo, I almost exclusively use AoE to kill the groups of mobs. And I get SP/XP from every one, every time. Perhaps it scrolls up so fast on your chatbox that you don't see it? I have no idea where you got this from.

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- 1000~1300 max hp, 3 hits or 1 skill hit from a monster cost your life (at this moment, when Shell/Protect nerfed)

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Yeah, that's why we have cure skills. The "1 shot" from a skill is very rare. Only happens to me when hit by "Devil" monsters and Cactuars.

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- and you need 100+ vit allotment just to have little more hp, can take one more hit from mobs

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Yes, everyone needs VIT. But you don't need 100+ by any means.

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- WTF is elemental allotment? I reassign them so many time and still can't see any different

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It effects your resistance to elements (high Fire element means you take less damage from Fire), and it effects the rate at which Crystals/shards drop (high Fire element means Fire crystals/shards drop more often).

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- potato sack is your gear!! wear it!!

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This I can kinda agree on. I don't particularly like the look of the robes, but that's not your only option either.

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- a piece of branch is your staff/rod!! use it!

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What's wrong with this? You're just grasping at straws now. In FFXI, mages used wands/staff/rods... and they use the same in nearly every MMO. What's the problem?

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- 15~30 action bar slots need, but you have to live with the worst action bar in the MMO history

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Huh? Works like most action bars I've used...

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- when you want to scroll down to 2nd or 3rd action bar, you press UP or DOWN and it toggle your target type and then you die because your action bar and target type was fu--ed up

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If your action bar is open, it does not toggle your target type, it changes the action bar. But honestly? Learn to use Ctrl + number for your 2nd action bar, and Alt + number for your 3rd one.

Except for the potato sack and vitality comments, I would say that most of the mage's problems are due to hasty implementation. Remember, SE did not want people hitting the cap quickly, so they introduced things like fatigue, stamina, and anti-AoE SP mechanics to stop hardcore grinders from doing so.

As for offensive magic being useless, I think that high recast times, high accuracy requirements, and poor mob tuning are all synergetic in compounding this issue.

That being said, potato sacks are itchy.

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Originally Posted by Kidkaze

Wow. You must be a bad mage Evangela. O.o

I can do upwards of 200 dmg with offensive magic on anything my level

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I can nuke 200~400 on anything my level... but will you grinding with monsters at your level? (blue or green symbol), No? and how much damage those spell can do to NM?

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Originally Posted by Kidkaze

they have nerfed shell/protect but they STILL work as intended. go solo a boar as a mage with protect and see what it does to you >_>

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It does nothing or maybe help me reduce 5~10% damage

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Originally Posted by Kidkaze

Learn2notAOE

needs moar vit

You put more points in vit to be invincible! (well not really, but certainly will not die easily then >_>)

You're doing it wrong

... You're still doing it wrong....

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It's just the best way in my opinion now because I tried so many way, I tried INT, MIN, PIE and realized they're less effective, so I just add VIT for max hp, the only thing that I can see the different

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Originally Posted by Kidkaze

Why do we need r50 weapons again? We dont ACTUALLY hit anything with them, we're mages (though I would like an r50 weapon, you know, for my epeen)

I honestly dont know what to say to this. What were you expecting? Halberds?

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most important thing for DD in this game is... your weapon. no matter how much INT you have, the most important is mag.potency from your rod and those INT or mag.potency from any accessories are not working. so my rod is my life... and I need an r50 unique staff/rod

*points above, to the OP*

Have you considered playing Marauder?

i will have to agree with Evangela but i wouldnt call it SE doesnt love mage, i would call it the needs of rebelancing classes in this beta phase.

Regarding the AoE multiple mobs and getting SP off only one comment, Evangela is referring to mobs outside of leves. Evan, like me, prefers the traditional grind for ranking over the levequest fail cycle.

Though, even during leves, you can only lay claim to one set of mobs, not multiple. For a couple leves, Hiding Under Beds for example, I'd love to be able to round up 3 moles at a time to blast them with AoE, but since I can only claim one at a time, it makes offensive spell AoE a limited functionality.

That isn't a problem exclusive mages only, however. I'd love to get SP off multiple mobs when I use Aura Pulse or Seismic Shock, but since we can only claim one target at a time outside of leves, it's not possible.

But I still agree, the battle system is slated for a major overhaul, so let's see how it is after that, rather than rant about the old one.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

I need an r50 unique staff/rod

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Conjurer has a R50 staff, unique is meaningless. (Jade Crook)

When i was fighting rank 50-55 mobs as a rank 45-46 THM, my conjurer nukes were still hitting anywhere from 200-500, profundity boosted that to 600-800.

I'm really disappointed in everybody that posted to flame Evangela. Every one of her points is well thought through. Tanaka obviously played DoW, and at best considered mages to be a work in progress at release.

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I'm really disappointed in everybody that posted to flame Evangela. Every one of her points is well thought through. Tanaka obviously played DoW, and at best considered mages to be a work in progress at release.

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He/She's being flamed because the only valid complaint in the entire post was the potato sack comment.

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

He/She's being flamed because the valid complaint in the entire post was the potato sack comment.

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what's wrong with potato sack? is it a bad slang or something? I really don't know because I'm not a native english user

I just mean this thing
http://topveg.com/wp-content/uploads...ck-215x300.jpg

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Originally Posted by Evangela

what's wrong with potato sack? is it a bad slang or something? I really don't know because I'm not a native english user

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That's the point Evangela... the potato sack comment was the only valid point. So nothing wrong with that comment. It's all the other comments that were not really valid.

She does have some valid points.
Elemental attributes don't make that much of a difference which is a shame. I don't even see that much of a shard drop difference.
And I thought the Jade Crook was a r48 weapon, is it not? I'm not sure.
AM's do suck, I haven't used them but 30 seconds to cast a spell that doesn't do much damage for 100mp? Sounds lame, and they don't look that great neither.

Actually, Elemental Resistances only affect shards received through gathering.

As someone in my LS recently put it, "If it affected shard drops from mobs, then I wouldn't be sitting on 6k+ earth shards."

Rank 35 Conj tier 2 nukes + Profunity2

Vs helidor Dobylns (blue in a party of 3) 1400-1700dmg

The Drawf diremites (orange in a party of 3) 700-900dmg

Of course these are with regiments, I see nothing wrong with the dmg at all.

Basically if you want to do big dmg nukes on anything besides DC/EM mobs, you have to regiment. BUt droping 50% of a mobs hp in 1 nuke does not seem underpowered at all. This is another example of how people are just doing it wrong

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Originally Posted by Evangela

- useless offensive magic

- Shell/Protect nerfed

- you can AoE a group of monster but you'll get exp/sp from only one

- 1000~1300 max hp, 3 hits or 1 skill hit from a monster cost your life (at this moment, when Shell/Protect nerfed)

- and you need 100+ vit allotment just to have little more hp, can take one more hit from mobs

- WTF is elemental allotment? I reassign them so many time and still can't see any different

- potato sack is your gear!! wear it!!

- no r50 weapon, no top rank unique weapon

- a piece of branch is your staff/rod!! use it!

- AM.... wait 25 sec, 100MP and deal 50 critical damage to the Great Buffalo

- 15~30 action bar slots need, but you have to live with the worst action bar in the MMO history

- when you want to scroll down to 2nd or 3rd action bar, you press UP or DOWN and it toggle your target type and then you die because your action bar and target type was fu--ed up

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1. No.

2. Sure?

3. You don't understand how the claiming system works at all. You can AoE a group of mobs and get SP from all, provided they are all in the same group. Obviously if you AoE a bunch of single-group monsters you'll only get SP from one but a good player should know this already.

4.In an ideal party situation your HP doesn't really matter. If you have a good tank you shouldn't be pulling hate and get hit period.

5. See 4.

6. I'll kind of give you that one, it's a bit vague and even the team has admitted that all the point allotments don't work as intended.

7. Velveteen Cowl = Potato sack? Not quite.

8. That one I'll give you.

9. Well for Conjurer yes, it goes with their lore. Do Thaumaturge's metal weapons not count?

10. Everyone knows AM is a problem, I'll give you that.

11. Yeah maybe if you set every skill you have. Pick and choose, figure out what you really need for any given fight.

12. You will only change target type if your action bar isn't up period and only if you're in target mode b. If your action bar is up it will scroll between bars 2 and 3. That's user error on your part.

Quoted for new sig...

If SE hates mages I suppose that's why THM can solo things like Dodore and DoTs are one of the best methods to drop a NM's HP?

Not only Dodore, but they can solo/tank Goblin NM with all it's minions as well.. and FNMs? Forget about it. They are even easier to solo/duo as a mage.

Mages are not weak. You have no idea what you're talking about. They are actually quite overpowered especially with both ranked to 50.

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12. You will only change target type if your action bar isn't up period and only if you're in target mode b. If your action bar is up it will scroll between bars 2 and 3. That's user error on your part.

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that's what it should be. but I'm sure that I can toggle the target type while action bar is up, when I casting a spell and press UP or DOWN, it's really change target type! maybe it's a glitch that's why not so many ppl notice about it

and when would ppl stop talking about Dodore soloing? it's exploiting not the real power of mages

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Originally Posted by Evangela

that's what it should be. but I'm sure that I can toggle the target type while action bar is up, when I casting a spell and press UP or DOWN, it's really change target type! maybe it's a glitch that's why not so many ppl notice about it

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If you are pressing UP/DOWN after you've activated a spell but before selecting a target, then yes, that's how it's supposed to work...since you're supposed to select a target. >.>

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If you are pressing UP/DOWN after you've activated a spell but before selecting a target, then yes, that's how it's supposed to work...since you're supposed to select a target. >.>

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then why don't just allow user to reassign that key? or move them to PgUp, PgDown since they are currently un-assigned

UP/DOWN are not available for remap because they are essential for other parts of the Menu.

And why is it a problem to change targets when you're supposed to be selecting targets? If it didn't work that way, that would be the problem.

You can solve your (non-existent) problem easily by using macros.

Don't cast protect or shell for a week and see if you notice a difference. I assure you that you won't. My final post on this forum about protect/shell. Tired of the rank 20s screaming how it reduces 10309823092830928302938092 dmg from attacks. It reduces one point of damage. /10chr

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Don't cast protect or shell for a week and see if you notice a difference. I assure you that you won't. My final post on this forum about protect/shell. Tired of the rank 20s screaming how it reduces 10309823092830928302938092 dmg from attacks. It reduces one point of damage. /10chr

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I barely use them for long time

just have a little faith left for them

I use macros 90%++
Alt 1-0
Crt 1-0

I only have them from 1-6 which is reachable for me with one hand easily. I'm sure I will fill the rest up within more ranks//game updates.

What I'm trying to say is. It seems like your trying to use all of your skills//abilities with the typical action bar.
Which means your not using any Macros. Which means you should be using Macros to help this situation you have come across.

I do use the action bar for certain things here and there, like my simple base attack and block. Couple of other things too.

first row of my macro ALT and CTRL are full