2.0 in Windows 8

i want to know the official Statement about Windows8 and 2.0

to know if i can install windows8 and will have no affect the game performance

If 7 can take it you are in very good hands 8 can, and perhaps better.

And we know 7 is supported.

I can't speak for FFXIV, but from what friends have been telling me, 8 is a very slight increase in performance over 7 for games that are compatible.

They showed FFXIV ARR running on Win8 at Nico-nama live broadcast so it should be safe.

is all about compatibility
cos 1.0 was a game based on wxp structure i want to know if the where anything we must know before change OS from windows 7 to 8

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Originally Posted by carlosx

is all about compatibility
cos 1.0 was a game based on wxp structure i want to know if the where anything we must know before change OS from windows 7 to 8

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Anything 7 can run 8 can run, at least in desktop mode. But if you are a hardcore pc user you will tell that front panel shifty touch thing to gtfo anyways. lol

Installed my start button and turned off that panel.. faster windows 7 :D

Windows 8 seems like a mostly pointless upgrade.
Unless your PC is touch specific, the add riddled tile feature is a clunky unnecessary addition. Not worth the 70+ bucks in my opinion.

Windows 8 is terrible and should not have been made, and you should not install it.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Windows 8 seems like a mostly pointless upgrade.
Unless your PC is touch specific, the add riddled tile feature is a clunky unnecessary addition. Not worth the 70+ bucks in my opinion.

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If you have 7 and you dont smoke your money then I wouldnt upgrade - but mine was a free upgrade promotional so.. why not lol

Its faster then 7 and has some neat features (discounting the main screen which is useless to me and I scrapped right away lol)

Windows 8 is an amazing OS. As stated above, it does a tad better in gaming for certain games and is better than 7 imo. I do not have a touch monitor, or a multitouch mouse, I have a full regular desktop PC and I Windows 8. It also runs much faster and is more compatible with my SSD than 7 was. Did I mention that I got it for 29.99 for the basic version AND microsoft is giving away free keys for Media Center (effectively giving you Windows 8 Professional for 29.99!).

FFXIV 1.0 on Windows 8 ran fine, no issues whatsoever.

I'm using windows 8 and FFXIV 1.0 ran perfectly on it, I assume FFXIV 2.0 will run just as well.

I bought windows 8 thinking, seriously... it can't be that bad. I'm currently not liking it, however I only been using it for a month.

The game is optimized for 8, so logically it does work on this OS.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Windows 8 is terrible and should not have been made, and you should not install it.

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That's your opinion, I've used W8 since April and have very few problems with the OS. If you have issues with the "modern" windows UI there are plenty of ways to revert it back to the "classic" windows UI. The only thing wrong with the UI for me is that it's a bit clunky with multiple monitor setups.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

If you have 7 and you dont smoke your money then I wouldnt upgrade - but mine was a free upgrade promotional so.. why not lol

Its faster then 7 and has some neat features (discounting the main screen which is useless to me and I scrapped right away lol)

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The prices they are offering for Windows 8 is just crazy. Between the prices for "upgrades", and promotional options for OEM offering free/15$ upgrades....this is the most affordable OS by Microsoft.

Trick is to buy the "upgrade" version for cheap and use the program they give you to make a bootable usb drive to install Windows 8. Once you load into setup from the usb drive, you can opt to do a fresh install, and btw the key still works....whether you do an "upgrade" as the name pertains, or do as I state and do a "clean" install.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Windows 8 is terrible and should not have been made, and you should not install it.

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I'm perfectly satisfied with this OS. Got it for a couple of bucks, so I feel it's a pretty nice update to 7 experience.

1.0 actually ran better for me on 8. I'd assume it would be the same for 2.0.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Windows 8 is terrible and should not have been made, and you should not install it.

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LOL, I thought too at first but I have seen many people have mentioned it's really good now. My brother's girlfriend who is working for Microsoft was trying to give me Windows 8 Pro for free but I didn't want it now. >.<

Why would you ever want to install windows 8? It's an unmitigated failure designed for casuals. And the funny part is that it fails miserably even at being accessible and intuitive.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Why would you ever want to install windows 8? It's an unmitigated failure designed for casuals. And the funny part is that it fails miserably even at being accessible and intuitive.

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I also got Windows 7 Ultimate for free... and I am totally fine with it. In Win 8, there are many new features I don't know about and really I am glad that Valve is finally working on steam for linux.

I'm warming up to it a little bit after watching this video, I'm still not quite there yet.
Learn Windows 8 in 3 minutes (OK, it's really 4)

After watching this video I finally know how to close a windows 8 app without using alt+F4. LOL

Did I skip the Microsoft tutorial that teaches you how to use windows 8 or you have to research it yourself?

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Originally Posted by Pseudopsia

I'm warming up to it a little bit after watching this video, I'm still not quite there yet.
Learn Windows 8 in 3 minutes (OK, it's really 4)

Did I skip the tutorial that teaches you how to use windows 8 or you have to research it yourself?

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My cousin who has full of computer machines in his bedroom (wealthy family >.<) was showing me how to use Windows 8.

I don't have Win8 on any of my computers but still a good video. ^^

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Originally Posted by Pseudopsia

I'm warming up to it a little bit after watching this video, I'm still not quite there yet.
Learn Windows 8 in 3 minutes (OK, it's really 4)

Did I skip the tutorial that teaches you how to use windows 8 or you have to research it yourself?

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Microsoft was a tard when it came to delivery of information lol

You really do have to be willing to play around or research to get it running like most are used to. If you aren't willing to do that then I can see it being annoying :P

So.. yeah, self research.

I've been using Windows 8 for almost a year and I absolutely hate it.

Every task is made more inefficient by long mouse drags (small start menu vs huge start screen) and extra clicks. Confusing moments abound (why are apps full screen only??? Is this WindowS or Window??)

On a tablet, I'm sure its grand - keyboard and mouse users beware.

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Originally Posted by Quesse

I've been using Windows 8 for almost a year and I absolutely hate it.

Every task is made more inefficient by long mouse drags (small start menu vs huge start screen) and extra clicks. Confusing moments abound (why are apps full screen only??? Is this WindowS or Window??)

On a tablet, I'm sure its grand - keyboard and mouse users beware.

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Not much to say about apps run from the tile screen because I dont use the tiles - but there are many many many hotkeys and the hot panels are useful for mouse users.

If feel your pain Quesse. You mentioned a lot of things I don't like as well. I'm trying to drink the cool aid right now, it's not going down that smoothly.

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Originally Posted by Quesse

Confusing moments abound (why are apps full screen only??? Is this WindowS or Window??)

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Indeed, that's how I was confused with Facebook app, haha. It does have old OS like Win7 you can use Firefox or Chrome to do anything though.

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Originally Posted by DoctorMog

I can't speak for FFXIV, but from what friends have been telling me, 8 is a very slight increase in performance over 7 for games that are compatible.

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I can confirm that it is true.

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Originally Posted by Quesse

I've been using Windows 8 for almost a year and I absolutely hate it.

Every task is made more inefficient by long mouse drags (small start menu vs huge start screen) and extra clicks. Confusing moments abound (why are apps full screen only??? Is this WindowS or Window??)

On a tablet, I'm sure its grand - keyboard and mouse users beware.

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The only thing that limits efficiency in Windows 8 is people's over-reliance on the mouse. Keyboard shortcuts, people. They've always been superior to unmitigated mouse use.

ALT+TAB
Windows Key
Windows Key+D
Windows Key+C
F3 to search
F2 to rename files/folders
etc., etc.

Learn 'em, love 'em. You've just made your Windows experience better, no matter what version you're using.

There's no need to navigate the Start Screen with a mouse. There's not even any reason to navigate the classic Start Menu with a mouse in Windows 7. Just type the name of the application you want to open and it'll appear. (Windows 8 functions better than Windows 7 in this regard.)

Also, Windows 8 has faster boot times, faster shut down times, a better task manager, better search features, better backup features, better file copying features, better security features, etc.

I'm not saying you need to upgrade. In fact, I only use Windows 8 on my laptop. I still run 7 on my desktop, and I don't plan on switching any time soon. But really, why is 8 getting such a bad rap?

Edit: Here's a great article outlining the wonders of the Windows Key: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/200...ndows-key.html

Most, but not all, of these shortcuts still work in Windows 8.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

If you have 7 and you dont smoke your money then I wouldnt upgrade - but mine was a free upgrade promotional so.. why not lol

Its faster then 7 and has some neat features (discounting the main screen which is useless to me and I scrapped right away lol)

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The thing is, doing so requires third party software (unless microsoft released a patch restoring the old start menu as an option that I don't know about). Why should I have to buy/find some third party software to fix something that should never have been broken in the first place.

The start screen is fine if you're using a touch screen/tablet I guess, but I've never really understood this because most tablets run android or IOS, rather than a desktop operating system.

Windows 8 is terrible, not amazing. Behind the scenes there are some technical improvements, yes. the only reason it really perfoms any faster than 7 though is because they replaced Aero with a barfy flat boxy solid color window theme that looks worse than the windows did in Windows 3.11.

I cant imagine where anyone at microsoft got the idea that this fugly OS theme is anywhere near asthetically presentable.

Function: Fails unless using touch input. Performance for some applications is slightly better. No option for previous windows navigation for users more comfortable with that.

Form: Fails in all areas. Start screen and new UI theme are both hideous.

What's worse is MS seems to be paying a lot of PC manufacturers to not offer win7 on their systems.

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Also, Windows 8 has faster boot times, faster shut down times,

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I have a wonderful Samsung 840 Pro SSD and windows 7 boots up in about 7 seconds (starting from when POST ends)- Windows 8 won't change this much if at all, as my storage device is no longer a bottleneck. Most people I know don't even reboot or shut down if they don't have to, only using Sleep mode to reduce power use when not actively using it, so this isn't much of a perk.

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There's not even any reason to navigate the classic Start Menu with a mouse in Windows 7. Just type the name of the application you want to open and it'll appear. (Windows 8 functions better than Windows 7 in this regard.)

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In Win7, nearly every application I ever use is either pinned to my taskbar, or in the start menu's frequently used apps list. Its a LOT faster to click these with the mouse than to type in the name of an application (especially if it's not an easy to type name)- I only use the typing feature for "hidden" things like taskmgr, cmd, msconfig, dxdiag, etc.

also all of these methods are a LOT faster than visually scanning my eyeballs across my entire screen to find the right "Tile" in the Win8 Start screen.

Windows 8 would be good for Office enviroment only, really, is very cool to do presentation plugging my tablet windows to a projecter and walk around with it lol.

if you must have Windows 8 go grab the Classic Shell add-on, it realy does make Windows 8 all that much more enjoyable.

it can be had from here

My windows 8 desktop and old benchmark score

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/27/...vbenchmark.png

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

In Win7, nearly every application I ever use is either pinned to my taskbar, or in the start menu's frequently used apps list. Its a LOT faster to click these with the mouse than to type in the name of an application (especially if it's not an easy to type name)- I only use the typing feature for "hidden" things like taskmgr, cmd, msconfig, dxdiag, etc.

also all of these methods are a LOT faster than visually scanning my eyeballs across my entire screen to find the right "Tile" in the Win8 Start screen.

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You can pin things to the task bar in Windows 8, too. For the frequently-used programs that you don't want to pin, just place in them in the first tile positions of the Start Screen. Push the Windows key, and then click what's right there in front of your face. That's no different from Windows 7, really.

Also, do you really use the taskmgr command to open the task manager? CTRL+SHIFT+ESC, my friend.

As for your point about boot times, I know people with SSDs are only going to see a negligible difference between Windows 7 and Windows 8. That said, 7 staggers the startup operation, so some processes and drivers load more slowly than others on a cold boot. I haven't noticed that issue with 8.

Like I said, I'm sticking with 7 on my desktop. I think I'm just such a vocal advocate for 8, not because I find it vastly superior to 7, but because people are calling it disastrous when it's really not. As with any OS, shortcuts go a long way in improving usability and efficiency. Windows 8 doesn't slow me down at all.

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Originally Posted by alexhatesmil

You can pin things to the task bar in Windows 8, too. For the frequently-used programs that you don't want to pin, just place in them in the first tile positions of the Start Screen. Push the Windows key, and then click what's right there in front of your face. That's no different from Windows 7, really.

Also, do you really use the taskmgr command to open the task manager? CTRL+SHIFT+ESC, my friend.

As for your point about boot times, I know people with SSDs are only going to see a negligible difference between Windows 7 and Windows 8. That said, 7 staggers the startup operation, so some processes and drivers load more slowly on a cold boot. I haven't noticed that issue with 8.

Like I said, I'm sticking with 7 on my desktop. I think I'm just such a vocal advocate for 8, not because I find it vastly superior to 7, but because people are calling it disastrous when it's really not. As with any OS, shortcuts go a long way in improving usability and efficiency. Windows 8 doesn't slow me down at all.

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With shortcuts, self modifications, and some good public ones I like 8 over 7. Though out of the box 8 compared to 7 and lets say I had no patience, time, or knowledge to change things then perhaps I would say 8 is balls.

Definitely think they shouldn't have made an OS that requires you to go out and make / find things to better your experience but w.e I didn't pay for my version and I love finding neat things to solve my problem.

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You can pin things to the task bar in Windows 8, too. For the frequently-used programs that you don't want to pin, just place in them in the first tile positions of the Start Screen. Push the Windows key, and then click what's right there in front of your face. That's no different from Windows 7, really.

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Except you have to go through the start screen just to get to the destktop. I'm well aware the taskbar still exists. But it, like the desktop, is buried underneath the start screen.

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Definitely think they shouldn't have made an OS that requires you to go out and make / find things to better your experience but w.e I didn't pay for my version and I love finding neat things to solve my problem.

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That's part of the reason why win8 is so bad though. You shouldn't have to do any of these things, especially paying $80 or however much for an "upgrade." If its just a "new version" of an OS, you shouldn't have to relearn it if you already knew the previous version. You also shouldn't have to look to 3rd party software to fix what shouldn't have been broken in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Except you have to go through the start screen just to get to the destktop. I'm well aware the taskbar still exists. But it, like the desktop, is buried underneath the start screen.

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And it's one incredibly cumbersome click away, right after start up.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

That's part of the reason why win8 is so bad though. You shouldn't have to do any of these things, especially paying $80 or however much for an "upgrade." If its just a "new version" of an OS, you shouldn't have to relearn it if you already knew the previous version. You also shouldn't have to look to 3rd party software to fix what shouldn't have been broken in the first place.

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Really, why is people making such a big fuss about some UI changes? Relearn what, exactly? Most stuff still works the same, the biggest difference being a bigger start menu in which stuff is easier to organize and find. Or was it any easier to find stuff in the old start menu in which you'd have to go through a ton of folders and sub-folders to find stuff (or just type in the program's name, which is faster on 8)? And what 3rd party software? And to fix what, exactly? I just don't get it.

I first grabbed 8 when the DP came out. It took me 10 minutes if much to get used to the new start screen. It makes it easier to find the stuff you care about since you can just arrange it in any order you want instead of the completely arbitrary way in which it used to work before.

Also, 8 boots up in about 11 seconds with an OLD SATA HDD.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

If you have 7 and you dont smoke your money then I wouldnt upgrade - but mine was a free upgrade promotional so.. why not lol

Its faster then 7 and has some neat features (discounting the main screen which is useless to me and I scrapped right away lol)

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I have been working with Windows 8 lately and I will be honest with you, I wouldn't upgrade to it even if it was free. I will not support Microsoft's backwards philosophy that everything should become a tablet. They should of found a way to get the PC on the tablet, not get the tablet on the PC. If Microsoft simply made a Classic Mode, I would be all game for Windows 8.

Question: Why does Windows 8 have its own Xbox Live? Does it mean you can play games on Windows 8 with other Xbox 360 users?

jc

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And it's one incredibly cumbersome click away, right after start up.

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It should be the first thing I see without ANY clicks.

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Originally Posted by Zehira

Question: Why does Windows 8 have its own Xbox Live? Does it mean you can play games on Windows 8 with other Xbox 360 users?

jc

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Technically it's Games for Windows live, which has been around for a long time. You can use the same Gamertag, but there is no cross platform because the xbox is a closed system.