FFX|V: ARR – BTV <Future Expansion concept>

FFX|V: ARR – BTV <Future Expansion concept>

I had been thinking of something which could be done for a future expansion, which, while reaches back to other classic FF references, would also be something fresh.

Its where I came up with this concept, which I would love if other people could help juggle ideas and feedback. Note: This may be more relevant to add after we can access more/most of the planet.
Pending Expansion subtitle: Beyond the Void

We know that Atomos and its voidsent creatures live in the otherworldly “Void”, and some places such as Darkhold and Cutter’s Cry etc. exist in areas near where the barrier to the Void is thin. In former FF titles, this has been referenced as a realm made of nothingness, crystals, or even a jumble of the past, present, and even future.

My thoughts is that we could have the capability, thanks to new tears in the rift by Atomos, to enter the realm of the void; But beyond this, we could discover that this realm of the voidsent is actually a world in-between; that a parallel Hyedalyn, perhaps known as Nyladeyh, exists beyond this void, which acts as a bridge connecting the two. This world could be that of a chaotic or underworld realm, or alternate mirror existence of the same world, not unlike elements of “Sliders” or “Alice and the Looking-Glass”.

Below are examples from each of the former FF titles which reference connections to X|V, the void, parallel worlds, or a blend of these:

NOTE: There are spoilers if you have not played these titles. Proceed with caution.

You have been warned.
FF1:

Based on Dissidia retcon, There are two worlds which are identical in many ways, but with some distinct exceptions. Some of these exceptions are what allow Garland to travel in time and become Chaos.

FF2:

There is an underworld known aptly as Hell, the capital city ruled by Satan is Pandaemonium. Long ago it surfaced and spilled monsters for the first time into the world. Powerful mages conjured up Ultima, a powerful spell which successfully assisted their pushing Pandaemonium back to the depths from which it came, and sealed it away. Fearing the spell's power, these same mages hid it away in the Mage nation of Mysidia. Centuries later, when the Emperor fights the Warriors of light, he perishes and his soul is sent to Hell. Unbenownst to the party, he was prepared for this eventuality, and managed to kill Satan to become the new Hell King. He then releases the city from its sealed status in Hell, and it surfaces as the final dungeon topside.

FF3:

The Crystal Tower acts as a connection to two realms: The forbidden city, known as Eureka, and The World of Darkness. When Xande is defeated at the top of the Crystal Tower, the Cloud of Darkness attempts to pull the warriors of Light into the other world for a final confrontation. This other world is made of mostly crystal and smoke, and like the World of Light, there are 4 special crystals and dark warriors. Based on the story, the World of Darkness has been twisted (and possibly rendered nonexistant) thanks to the Cloud of Darkness.

FF4:

In the underworld, there is a cave known as the Feymarch, known by the Dwarves nearby as “The world In-between”. This is the enigmatic realm of the Eidolons (Summons) and many vicious monsters. It is known that the passage of time in this realm occurs faster than that of the normal world, which explains when Rydia as a young girl is pulled into the realm by Leviathan, she is a matured woman when reunited with the party in a later battle.Also, deep in the Moon is the Lunar Subterrane, which is a crystal realm. Zemus/Zeromus refers to it as the Zemus-Zone.

FF5:

Four Meteors have crashed into the planet. At one stage of FFV, the party discovers that these meteors can be used as a portal to a n alternate version of their world. Furthermore, as the antagonist Exdeath is first defeated, he and his general Gilgamesh retreat to the Void realm, where the latter is imprisoned, and the former becomes Neo Exdeath. Gilgamesh’s connection to the Void has been used in the FF series as how he specifically is encountered in most of the series as the exact same person, with varying levels of skill/development, varying numbers of arms, and often accompanied by his loyal pet Enkidu, often portrayed as a treasure hunter seeking rare artifacts, such as Excalibur/Excalipoor. The variance suggests that while he may exist in many worlds of Final Fantasy, he may on each occasion exist as either younger or older form of himself, resulting in unusual, out-of place comments by this eccentric character.

FF6:

Beyond a sealed gate is the realm of the Espers, (a similar reference to that of Feymarch in FF4). As a break to tradition, the two worlds of FF6 are not divided by a void, but rather an apocalypse. The World of Balance thus becomes the World of Ruin, where the landscape is dramatically changed. In FFX|V: ARR, this sort of change already seems to exist, from existing concept. Side note: There are spells suxh as X-Zone and Dark Matter, which suggest a void realm where targets can be transported or banished, and destroyed. Kefka uses a skill like this to forceably convert Espers into their crystallized form known as Magicite, so that he can directly control and manipulate their powers.

FF7:

The Lifestream under the world of Gaia is being absorbed to power Midgar, a machine city, among others. This bares similarities to Aether and Ceruleum of FFXIV.

FF8:

The primary antagonist Ultimecia was attempting to compress time in an effort to become invincible, and to rule all existence. When Squall defeats her, the compressed time begins to unravel, and Squall finds himself trapped in a void made up of a barren, floating island, with clouds of gray surrounding in all directions. Eventually, he is rescued by Rinoa, but it has many visual similarities to the Void in other FF titles.

FF9:

There are two planets, Gaia, and Terra, which are effectively sharing the same space, except one is very ancient, and on the verge of dying. A major antagonist, Garland, is managing the absorption of Gaia into Terra, in an effort to continue Terra’s existence. His means of managing this is via a massive Lifa Tree, which is known as a conduit of souls, which pumps Mist into Gaia as a means to accelerate the end of normal Gaia life. Four corners of Gaia’s planet hold special connections to Terra, guarded by the elemental Fiends of Earth, Fire, Wind and Water. If special mirrors are placed in these locations at the same time, a place known as the Shimmering Isle will become a portal to Terra. This tunnel is known as the Void. Furthermore, when Terra is destroyed by Trance Kuja, he creates a realm known as Memoria above the Lifa Tree, which is made up of memories of each of the party’s memories. At the end of this realm is a barrier that the aprty crosses into the distant past, where the party witnesses the birth of Gaia, and eventually the crystal realm, and they encounter Trance Kuja attempting to destroy the original Crystal known to be the source of all life for Gaia and Terra alike. After his apparent success, the party is flung into a deeper part of the Void, known as the Hill of Despair, where they are forced to defeat the final Antagonist, known as Necron. Necron refers to the existence he/she/it wishes to create with no crystal and no life as Zero-World. (Note: Although Necron visually differs significantly from that of Neo Exdeath, Ultimecia and The Cloud of Darkness, they all bear similar agendas in regards to The Void).

FF10:

Specifically X-2: Energy from the underworld’s Farplane Is being absorbed to power Vegnagun, an ancient and powerful machine. This bares similarities to Aether and Ceruleum of FFXIV.

FF11:

The Void is portrayed as a realm of nothingness, seen as Promyvion & Apollyon. Furthermore, The major Antagonist Promathia is a key figure in the creation of an alternate realm known as Abyssea, which is effectively a mirror-Vanadiel, which ‘would have existed’ had Promathia not been defeated in CoP.

FF12:

Specifically, Revenant Wings: Fran's Quickening ability is known as "Gaze of the Void". While simple in name, it is designed to consume all active magical properties on any enemy targets.

FF13:

Specifically 13-2: Lying at the end of time is a realm known as the Void Beyond, where time no longer exists. The party, while traveling across the eons, occasionally finds themselves stranded in this realm. There is an alternate world, Known as Valhalla, which is supposedly the home of a deceased Goddess, and the ultimate resulting existence of the planet at the epilogue of FF 13-2. It is also the setting of Lighning’s seemingly unending battle with antagonist Caius.

My thought is that this world could be a mirror-image of Hyedalin, and the former realm of the primals. That the events of Silvertear Falls which released Primals to be summoned by Beastkin, was actually pushing the primals from one world into the other.

My concept is that this alternate world could be overflowing with Aetheric energy, and thusly the Primals roamed free, and perhaps even warred with each other for control of lands. The extreme levels of Aether could cause some extreme changes to the world’s landscape, and its inhabitants. I could conceive that humanoid species of this world could bear a resemblance to that of hybrid:those of both beastkin and children of the twelve (players), who were subjugated and/or enslaved by the godlike primals only until recently (10 years ago), when they were mysteriously whisked away.

This realm could have direct connections to the previous umbral eras, such as the mentioned great flood of the 6th umbral era could have been a massive drought in the other realm. It is even possible that specific actions a player or NPC performs in one realm could cause a reaction in the same location of the other realm.
Lots of possibilities.

What do other people think of this?

i think its a great idea.

/thump up

maybe when Louisoix tele us to a voided world ^^

I am all for it although, as you mentioned, I would prefer to actually see more of the world itself first.

Sounds pretty awesome, if it happened. Based on what SE's done in the past, it's a strong possibility I guess. As long as it didn't get too confusing and FFXI-like. I'm still hoping that eventually it's revealed that Vanadiel was a previous Era in Hydaelyn (most likely on a different continent than Eorzea), because they could make it long enough ago with how many era's there are recorded to have been throughout the game's history. But I'm sure they'd save that for a tasty expansion a few years down the road or something.

EDIT: Main thing that made me think about this first was the Allagan rock technology Darnus tried to use in your battle against him. Reminds me too much of FFXI. Allagan possibly future generation of Vanadiel using Zilart/Kuluu technology (like Tu'lia)!? :O /endspeculation

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Originally Posted by Siegtaru

I'm still hoping that eventually it's revealed that Vanadiel was a previous Era in Hydaelyn (most likely on a different continent than Eorzea), because they could make it long enough ago with how many era's there are recorded to have been throughout the game's history. But I'm sure they'd save that for a tasty expansion a few years down the road or something.

I suppose its possible, but yeah that is a huge barrel of monkeys, lol.

Thanks all for the kind words. ^^ Keep the ideas comin'!

I think its a cool idea.

O_O That's where gilgamesh is from though.... I would never do anything again... I'd just sit there and chill with gilgamesh

He could be busy treasurehunting! Excalipoor awaits!

I read about 10 words, and I give it my stamp of approval while feeling such sorrow for this kind of suggestion which will most surely never be taken into account by the dev team, as I'm sure they are already ripe with their own pent-up expansion ideas. And when their creativity has dried up, instead of looking back 7 years to your forum post, they will just release an expansion where you go to MoogleLand to be a Moogle Knight and raise a Moogle Farm.

The effort mind seem futile, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it is. Yoshida's team has proven to be very receptive to suggestions, even if it is that they adapt only part of certain ideas, considering canon, budget and balance.

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Originally Posted by Siegtaru

Sounds pretty awesome, if it happened. Based on what SE's done in the past, it's a strong possibility I guess. As long as it didn't get too confusing and FFXI-like. I'm still hoping that eventually it's revealed that Vanadiel was a previous Era in Hydaelyn (most likely on a different continent than Eorzea), because they could make it long enough ago with how many era's there are recorded to have been throughout the game's history. But I'm sure they'd save that for a tasty expansion a few years down the road or something.

EDIT: Main thing that made me think about this first was the Allagan rock technology Darnus tried to use in your battle against him. Reminds me too much of FFXI. Allagan possibly future generation of Vanadiel using Zilart/Kuluu technology (like Tu'lia)!? :O /endspeculation

This + OP would make for one hell of an expansion IMO and I'd die of joy if something even remotely deep as this actually made it into ARR.

what would be neat if we could go between the void realm Louistix sent us too and Eoresa