[DEV question] Why cant we change Alpha application answers?

Hello.
I'm just asking that, because i entirely bough a new PC to be able to run ARR and hopefully enter Alpha to test it out, as i already mentioned last week.
Since i had a really shizzy pc, and since i didnt lie on that current pc specifications (wish i did lie, but we learn with our mistakes...) and the alpha testers are elected also taking into consideration their computer specs, shouldnt we be able to change the current PC specs of our Alpha application anytime? Because i doubt i'll enter the Alpha with the old PC Specs (Core 2 Duo 2.2ghz, 3gb RAM, Windows 7 64b, NVIDIA GeForce 8400m GS (128 dedicated +896 shared, but i did play current XIV version on that pc, but doubtful will even be taken into consideration for an alpha invite with those machine specs that i entered on the alpha application.), so i was thinking and asking if there is or will be any way to change our Alpha application updated, because since September 2012, i'm sure alot of ppl updated computer hardware in order to play ARR smoothy or ppl that had rly old PC's (such as me) bough new pc's or hardware to improove and 'maybe' play the alpha.
Also, i'm not raging or butthurt, because i'm having alot of fun playing another mmo at the moment with some friends, but whould rly like to see and test ARR on this machine but also on my old laptop to see if it'd run good. This post is mostly for those who changed their pc's hardware to maybe be able to update it on the alpha application so they can get a better chance at an invitation, because ppl that applyed like me, totally wont be in alpha and doubtfully in the beta beginnings because they dont meet the requirements hardware~wise...
That's all for now.
Thanks for reading. Please (someone of the DEV team) reply if possible!

Because people are liars.

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Originally Posted by EinSoFZ

Because people are liars.

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This! pretty much!

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Originally Posted by EinSoFZ

Because people are liars.

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Originally Posted by Twiddle

This! pretty much!

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I really dont think that matters. Seriously who stops people from lying the first time?

I agree you should be able to change your app. and add more information to it honestly. Their computer stat checker should run on multiple computers XD - I've got 4.

It makes sense not to be allowed to change your app.

Not sure in which point it makes sense to not be able to change your computer specifications on the Alpha Application... ppl keep changing hardware and should be able to update it there since they do pick the ppl for alpha also by considering ppl's Computer Specifications...

If you change your specs overtime you shouldn't be able to change your application because if that's the case there would be a guaranteed invite criteria and everyone would just do that, even if they don't have the specs.

It doesn't help or hurt your chances, SE just picks at random from a certain pool they want tested.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

If you change your specs overtime you shouldn't be able to change your application because if that's the case there would be a guaranteed invite criteria and everyone would just do that, even if they don't have the specs.

It doesn't help or hurt your chances, SE just picks at random from a certain pool they want tested.

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You can intercept the data sent from program to the web browser I guess but most people wont know how to 'fake' system specs. And its important you can update your specs because perhaps SE wanted your old specs but you dont have them anymore because they are silly and dont let you update.

For some reason people are thinking that the winning combination is known. It is not known. There is no "rigging" of your answers, specially if most of it is hardware and IP related RNG.

Your web browser is not going to have any important OS level and hardware level details. That's why they have to ask on the applications.

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Originally Posted by Tiago

Hello.
I'm just asking that, because i entirely bough a new PC to be able to run ARR and hopefully enter Alpha to test it out, as i already mentioned last week.
Since i had a really shizzy pc, and since i didnt lie on that current pc specifications (wish i did lie, but we learn with our mistakes...) and the alpha testers are elected also taking into consideration their computer specs, shouldnt we be able to change the current PC specs of our Alpha application anytime? Because i doubt i'll enter the Alpha with the old PC Specs (Core 2 Duo 2.2ghz, 3gb RAM, Windows 7 64b, NVIDIA GeForce 8400m GS (128 dedicated +896 shared, but i did play current XIV version on that pc, but doubtful will even be taken into consideration for an alpha invite with those machine specs that i entered on the alpha application.), so i was thinking and asking if there is or will be any way to change our Alpha application updated, because since September 2012, i'm sure alot of ppl updated computer hardware in order to play ARR smoothy or ppl that had rly old PC's (such as me) bough new pc's or hardware to improove and 'maybe' play the alpha.
Also, i'm not raging or butthurt, because i'm having alot of fun playing another mmo at the moment with some friends, but whould rly like to see and test ARR on this machine but also on my old laptop to see if it'd run good. This post is mostly for those who changed their pc's hardware to maybe be able to update it on the alpha application so they can get a better chance at an invitation, because ppl that applyed like me, totally wont be in alpha and doubtfully in the beta beginnings because they dont meet the requirements hardware~wise...
That's all for now.
Thanks for reading. Please (someone of the DEV team) reply if possible!

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Answer: Because if you later decide that different answers would have been more favorable, it's not fair to other people who answered the questions honestly?

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Your web browser is not going to have any important OS level and hardware level details. That's why they have to ask on the applications.

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I meant unless I forgot they use a web app to check all the computer data. You can intercept that data if you really wanted and knew how. But most wont, and even if you intercepted the data you wont know if you changed it to something SE wanted or not.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Answer: Because if you later decide that different answers would have been more favorable, it's not fair to other people who answered the questions honestly?

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But which is more favorable? You dont know - changing your app doesnt make it known if you have a better chance or not.

No webapp can check your OS and hardware details. You need ActiveX or Java for that, in order to run the checks locally on the client. Web browsers haven't been able to access or send those kinds of details for decades.

But which is more favorable? You dont know - changing your app doesnt make it known if you have a better chance or not.[/QUOTE]

That's right, but it also doesn't stop people from thinking different answers would have been better. There's no point in changing your app after the fact because you don't know that your answers are what kept you from getting in or got you in. Most likely they simply took a broad sample of those that were close to what they wanted, and randomly selected from those. It's not like having the "optimal" app would have guaranteed your acceptance.

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No webapp can check your OS and hardware details. You need ActiveX or Java for that, in order to run the checks locally on the client. Web browsers haven't been able to access or send those kinds of details for decades.

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what website today *doesn't* use one of these things on its pages? JavaScript alone can do it, not just Java program.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

No webapp can check your OS and hardware details. You need ActiveX or Java for that, in order to run the checks locally on the client. Web browsers haven't been able to access or send those kinds of details for decades.

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W.e you want to call it. You are talking about unimportant syntax to this discussion. A application, from / ran from the web fills in the computer information for you.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

That's right, but it also doesn't stop people from thinking different answers would have been better. There's no point in changing your app after the fact because you don't know that your answers are what kept you from getting in or got you in. Most likely they simply took a broad sample of those that were close to what they wanted, and randomly selected from those. It's not like having the "optimal" app would have guaranteed your acceptance.

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But there is plenty of reason to update. You change your computer you dont have that old system anymore - you are lying now on your application to SE.

If se wanted your system specs for a test and you dont have them anymore that is bad on SE. It is better they let you update. You can try to 'lie' but you could have lied in the first place, and no one knows what the winning combination is - so attempting to lie is a waste of time.

Updating your app is more honest then not.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Answer: Because if you later decide that different answers would have been more favorable, it's not fair to other people who answered the questions honestly?

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Didnt i mention "Change Hardware specifications of the application"? i'm pretty sure i did just earlier, just didnt on the main post. But on the main post all i talk about is hardware specifications, so i though it was pretty obvious that's the only part i'm talkin about mostly.

They only told us one of the things they been taking into consideration mostly the computer specifications

You shouldn't have signed up in the first place if you knew you were getting a new computer in the very near future.

Insert badger-with-sunglasses-deal-with-it image here.

Unless you were doing the app on a machine with absolutely no chance in hell of running the game (because it couldn't run 1.0 FFXIV either) then you really have nothing to worry about. They need people with all different kinds of hardware. telling them your new better hardware vs your old worse hardware isn't going to affect your chances. And as others have noted, PC specs are just one of the factors.

Seriously guys, just sit all your butts down and wait for the beta. It will be a lot more polished and functional then anyway. The alpha has next to no content and a level limit of 20. it's a TEST for a reason.

Dude, code that your browser executes, and code that has to be executed by your OS are not the same. It's not "unimportant syntax." There is a world of difference between the two with vastly different challenges in terms of development and release/usage.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

You shouldn't have signed up in the first place if you knew you were getting a new computer in the very near future.

Insert badger-with-sunglasses-deal-with-it image here.

Unless you were doing the app on a machine with absolutely no chance in hell of running the game (because it couldn't run 1.0 FFXIV either) then you really have nothing to worry about. They need people with all different kinds of hardware. telling them your new better hardware vs your old worse hardware isn't going to affect your chances. And as others have noted, PC specs are just one of the factors.

Seriously guys, just sit all your butts down and wait for the beta. It will be a lot more polished and functional then anyway. The alpha has next to no content and a level limit of 20. it's a TEST for a reason.

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No telling people they cant change their hardware is ridiculous.

And why do you care so much if you think any hardware is good enough. "I am here to say no, but I really dont think it matters"

Its not about updating to a stronger PC so they give you higher chances - its about being honest and accurate.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Dude, code that your browser executes, and code that has to be executed by your OS are not the same. It's not "unimportant syntax." There is a world of difference between the two with vastly different challenges in terms of development and release/usage.

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Who is going to care about that difference when they dont know it. The point is the web starts an app (therefore it is a web app) that checks your system specs. You can't fake the system specs unless you really have that system or you cant intercept the information. Its unimportant syntax you are arguing.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

You shouldn't have signed up in the first place if you knew you were getting a new computer in the very near future.

Insert badger-with-sunglasses-deal-with-it image here.

Unless you were doing the app on a machine with absolutely no chance in hell of running the game (because it couldn't run 1.0 FFXIV either) then you really have nothing to worry about. They need people with all different kinds of hardware. telling them your new better hardware vs your old worse hardware isn't going to affect your chances. And as others have noted, PC specs are just one of the factors.

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Well, i registered for alpha in september, and i totally bough the computer in November 23, and it wasnt planned that ahead. When i made the app was to maybe sneak into alpha and see if i could run ARR at all, and if so, whould help testing, finding bugs, stress testing, everything like a normal tester. In Version 1.0 Closed Beta my computer (that old laptop) didnt run the game at all, so i didnt test 1 bit because i had around 3-4 fps..... Which made me not buy the game when it went retail because i knew my system whouldnt run it. But sudenly in July, when i bough the game, my laptop whould run it rpetty good with lower settings.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

No telling people they cant change their hardware is ridiculous.

And why do you care so much if you think any hardware is good enough. "I am here to say no, but I really dont think it matters"

Its not about updating to a stronger PC so they give you higher chances - its about being honest and accurate.

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Since when have we been able to change our answers on anything SE has ever asked us? Never. expecting it now is expecting too much.

You're bellyaching over nothing. The testers have been chosen, this is the last alpha phase, you're not in it, too bad, No, Hi-it's-the-no-police, deal with it. Normally I'm not here to say no just for the sake of saying no, but since you seem to want to hear it so badly, here you go.

Yes, i've reached a breaking point when it comes to silly, pointless complaints on this forum:

-Grass grass grass
-Why do they jump so much in the videos
-Unpolished animations in a test version
-why cant I change my app answers, after everything is already over

You can now resume your regularly scheduled and normally unjustified hating of me.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Since when have we been able to change our answers on anything SE has ever asked us? Never. expecting it now is expecting too much.

You're bellyaching over nothing. The testers have been chosen, this is the last alpha phase, you're not in it, too bad, No, Hi-it's-the-no-police, deal with it.

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I can see you just want to troll about it.

I'm not saying this for "I could have gotten in if I had different specs thread". This is "SE is being silly - if they want accurate information they need to allow updates"

Your antagonistic attitude is pointless as I'm not saying any of which you are trying to make fun of. Grow up.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

You shouldn't have signed up in the first place if you knew you were getting a new computer in the very near future.

Insert badger-with-sunglasses-deal-with-it image here.

Unless you were doing the app on a machine with absolutely no chance in hell of running the game (because it couldn't run 1.0 FFXIV either) then you really have nothing to worry about. They need people with all different kinds of hardware. telling them your new better hardware vs your old worse hardware isn't going to affect your chances. And as others have noted, PC specs are just one of the factors.

Seriously guys, just sit all your butts down and wait for the beta. It will be a lot more polished and functional then anyway. The alpha has next to no content and a level limit of 20. it's a TEST for a reason.

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That's kinda what i wanted to do anyways lol, test my current and old PC on the ARR Alpha!

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Originally Posted by Shougun

I can see you just want to troll about it.

I'm not saying this for "I could have gotten in if I had different specs thread". This is "SE is being silly - if they want accurate information they need to allow updates"

Your antagonistic attitude is pointless as I'm not saying any of which you are trying to make fun of. Grow up.

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Normally, I don't troll at all, but people accuse me of being "the no police" anyway. It doesn't really matter what I say, if I give an opinion, someone has to come out and say "NO POLICE!" so, yes, I am upset and understandably so. I didn't want to troll about anything, this conversation is purely because you chose to make insults at me. Next time, don't pick a fight.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Normally, I don't troll at all, but people accuse me of being "the no police" anyway. It doesn't really matter what I say, if I give an opinion, someone has to come out and say "NO POLICE!" so, yes, I am upset and understandably so. I didn't want to troll about anything, this conversation is purely because you chose to make insults at me.

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I didnt make insults at you - unless you consider calling out your (what I think was) purposefully trolling 'badger.jpg' 'hi-police' remarks. Maybe you intended them as funny (but I didnt think they were funny).

I am tired of people who say no for no reason other then "Some other thread hurt my feelings". Maybe that's not exactly you, but these threads are for discussion and people who ruin discussions with pointless side debates like "which programming language they used" or "I dont like you bumped this thread even though it pertains to the game still" annoy me.

So perhaps we are both grated old men lol


It is, I agree, late to be changing specs now. But for future tests SE should do well to allow updates - as it wont stop any of the cheaters and it will only make their tests more accurate.

In many game tests that I have participated in, there was the ability to update your application with your computer specs. Or sometimes you would just reupload a new dxdiag file. It really just depends on if, and how much, they are actually interested in your specs or not. In SE's case, all evidence points to it being quite a low priority, if one at all.

In any case, right now they shouldn't be interested in anyone's specs. They are just stress testing at the moment. If your rig can power on and sign into the game without crashing, you meet their requirements at this point.

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...53/279/e31.jpg

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Originally Posted by Wynn

In many game tests that I have participated in, there was the ability to update your application with your computer specs. Or sometimes you would just reupload a new dxdiag file. It really just depends on if, and how much, they are actually interested in your specs or not. In SE's case, all evidence points to it being quite a low priority, if one at all.

In any case, right now they shouldn't be interested in anyone's specs. They are just stress testing at the moment. If your rig can power on and sign into the game without crashing, you meet their requirements at this point.

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Greetings everyone,

I know the alpha tester selection process is a hot topic, and while I cannot disclose the selection process, I do want to pass on some additional details to help you better understand the situation. To ensure a broad scope of testing for the Alpha Test, we did accept users with specific types of machines, setups, connection types, ISPs, geographical locations and other configurations that we need to test that may, or may not, meet every requirement on the application. Alpha is an important first step for testing and we need to make sure we have a wide breadth of users testing it.

We appreciate your understanding, and we look forward to further expanding our selection in the future. In fact, there are a few Yoshida posts that we're working on today that go into further detail on this.

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Seems like it did matter lol, we just dont know the specs, but mostly for an alpha, i'm pretty sure its only high-end pcs... Beta is for the older pc's tests to see how well the game runs on older hardware.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post906756

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Originally Posted by Tiago

Seems like it did matter lol, we just dont know the specs, but mostly for an alpha, i'm pretty sure its only high-end pcs... Beta is for the older pc's tests to see how well the game runs on older hardware.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post906756

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I've got a couple for friends that got in with pretty -eh- computers. But maybe that is perspective lol

I'm sure that they have some parameter of specs they are using but how tight is unknown. Wynn may be right that "running it" is good enough. We really dont know and that is the point of why they should allow updates, it will let SE be more accurate and it wont mean anything to us since we cant prove their requirements.

You want to change your comp specs on your app because you didn't get an alpha invite? >.>

Lock this garbage.

Is that what i said? I want to change the computer specifics in the application because i got a new system with better specs and i should be able to update it.

but why do you want to update your specs in an alpha invite?

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Originally Posted by ninesunz

but why do you want to update your specs in an alpha invite?

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The only reason to is you believe you'll get a better chance at an invite. Otherwise there's nothing stopping you from supplying your computer specs when you submit your report, because like on these forums, they ask basic questions about your hardware and ISP etc. That's the basic setup of any bug report form.

So if you updated, if you get an invite you simply just use your newest specs in a report, what you supplied on an application doesn't need to be changed.

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Originally Posted by ninesunz

but why do you want to update your specs in an alpha invite?

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I think he fears his old computer sucks monkies and his new one is better :P. But beyond the fact he wants better chances - why not? Why should someone not keep an accurate and update profile for SE to successfully pull the information and users they actually want to pull.

"To stop the cheaters" isnt adequate because the cheaters can cheat the first time, and no one knows the proper specs to get in so there isn't any real rigging of your application.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

So if you updated, if you get an invite you simply just use your newest specs in a report, what you supplied on an application doesn't need to be changed.

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But they may not want your new specs. If you can give an accurate representation of your system that is better for SE in the end. Otherwise they are testing things they dont care to test.

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Originally Posted by Tiago

That's kinda what i wanted to do anyways lol, test my current and old PC on the ARR Alpha!

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They're supposed to be releasing a benchmark and character creator pretty soon.

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In many game tests that I have participated in, there was the ability to update your application with your computer specs. Or sometimes you would just reupload a new dxdiag file. It really just depends on if, and how much, they are actually interested in your specs or not. In SE's case, all evidence points to it being quite a low priority, if one at all.

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Blizzard is the only one i know to have done this, but that's because they let you set up a beta profile for any current or future beta that may or may not exist or be planned to exist for any of their products, rather than for a specific test they are actively conducting at a specific time.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

They're supposed to be releasing a benchmark and character creator pretty soon.

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Oh man... *drools* - and we can save the created character for use in the release :D :D. Did they say if the manqote will be in the benchmark? I thought they were unsure if it would make it into beta - perhaps rumor mill talking..

quite off topic:
Hey random question but why haven't you created Yuke thread(race or puppetmaster)? Or if you have I never saw it XD. Continuing on that.. is Vivi a Yuke? (I'm a Yuke noob).

The benchmark they didn't fully explain what each one would be, but good chance it would have all the races and genders, but the creator isn't until close to launch, which is a long ways off.

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Originally Posted by EinSoFZ

Because people are liars.

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Which is why serious testing applications require you to submit your dxdiag file, or even have an app that detects your hardware independently.

Also, if someone can lie now, he could lie about his hardware even when he submitted his application the first time.

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Originally Posted by Jennika

You want to change your comp specs on your app because you didn't get an alpha invite? >.>

Lock this garbage.

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Someone needs to learn to read.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Oh man... *drools* - and we can save the created character for use in the release :D :D. Did they say if the manqote will be in the benchmark? I thought they were unsure if it would make it into beta - perhaps rumor mill talking..

quite off topic:
Hey random question but why haven't you created Yuke thread(race or puppetmaster)? Or if you have I never saw it XD. Continuing on that.. is Vivi a Yuke? (I'm a Yuke noob).

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Because I don't usually fantasize much or engage in much wild speculation about future content, really that's all. Yukes are a race from the Crystal Chronicles spinoff series. Unless someone can tell me otherwise, I'm pretty sure Vivi is actually human, and they just did the darkened face thing to shroud the character in mystery.