Trees and roots

Latest videos from the game that shows revamp of the areas give me the chills in a great way, the devs have and are doing a great job with version 2 (ARR). However i see something that I want to give attention to.

Trees have roots and the roots are nowhere to be seen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQb_t...ure=plpp_video

It would give Gridania and areas with large tree quantity an even better atmosphere if roots lay across the path we walk.

I realize that this is not of the utmost importance, but i'd like this game to be magic to both play and appearance. Details in graphics are important, it makes you feel like you are really there.

Is this something only I notice or do someone out there agree with me?

Oh nice!

Didnt think about that.. :( shame on me


The level designer should try out some roots and see how it looks. Does look a little pristine / well organized for a forest - somehow the Gridanians are masters at "large scale" bonsai ? lol.

I do see roots on the realy wide trees. You can especially see them on the ones out in the distance from the docks when the miqo goes there.

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Originally Posted by Reika

I do see roots on the realy wide trees. You can especially see them on the ones out in the distance from the docks when the miqo goes there.

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The wonderfully convenient straight down roots yeah - I think he is talking about the more common all over the damn place roots.

Dont need it to be root city but it is a little peculiar to not see any outer roots. As he also said though - its not a game killer but could add a little extra something.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

The wonderfully convenient straight down roots yeah - I think he is talking about the more common all over the damn place roots.

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Like the ones a tree like Yggdrasil would have?

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Originally Posted by Reika

Like the ones a tree like Yggdrasil would have?

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Are you suggesting Yggdrasil does or does not have normal tree roots? Also is that the name of those trees?

I hope not.. should save the epic tree name for an epic tree XD lol

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Are you suggesting Yggdrasil does or does not have normal tree roots? Also is that the name of those trees?

I hope not.. should save the epic tree name for an epic tree XD lol

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No I mean how Yggdrasil has roots that you would have to climb and travel over to get to the base of the tree.

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Originally Posted by Reika

No I mean how Yggdrasil has roots that you would have to climb and travel over to get to the base of the tree.

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Oh :D Yeah like the Lifa tree in FFIX. I really want to see one of those in FFXIV actually.

But for the city obviously the roots would be mostly for decoration and not for cock blocking your character lol. Like a lot of the trees are on the cliff - you could have some roots coming out of the cliff a little lower. Draw out a couple roots on the ground in less annoying places. Little things - however to not sound like I'm utterly bitching I do have to say FFXIV 2.0 roots >>>>>>>>>>> 1.0 roots. 1.0's looked like ground that had its texture changed (which I'm sure is what happened ... lol)

Yes, overdoing it won't be any good, it has to look realistic and convenient. Roots go down into the earth and then forces its way on top of the surface. From what i see, the roots just go down and it looks kind of unnatural to me.
We are talking perfection here. XD

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Originally Posted by Shougun

The wonderfully convenient straight down roots yeah - I think he is talking about the more common all over the damn place roots.

Dont need it to be root city but it is a little peculiar to not see any outer roots. As he also said though - its not a game killer but could add a little extra something.

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Never noticed it before, not gonna matter in the least to me. Would be nice I guess but not something I'd worry about.

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Originally Posted by Joji

Yes, overdoing it won't be any good, it has to look realistic and convenient. Roots go down into the earth and then forces its way on top of the surface. From what i see, the roots just go down and it looks kind of unnatural to me.
We are talking perfection here. XD

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Not always
http://www.fotos.sc/img2/u/saarlouis...ruen__Park.jpg
http://img.fotowelt.chip.de/imgserve...0951/1280x.jpg

I don't see a problem if the normal sized trees in the town look cultivated. In the forest there can have every 2nd tree roots on the surface.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

Never noticed it before, not gonna matter in the least to me.

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Kinda where I'm at with it. This sounds like the new grass thread, just nobody noticed/cared apparently. :P

You are absolutely right, i'm not talking about all the trees.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Not always
http://www.fotos.sc/img2/u/saarlouis...ruen__Park.jpg
http://img.fotowelt.chip.de/imgserve...0951/1280x.jpg

I don't see a problem if the normal sized trees in the town look cultivated. In the forest there can have every 2nd tree roots on the surface.

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Would be cool if we had some kind of giant tree dungeon.... Out-doors instance type.

It would be cool if we had some out-door instance dungeons period.

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Originally Posted by Reika

Would be cool if we had some kind of giant tree dungeon.... Out-doors instance type.

It would be cool if we had some out-door instance dungeons period.

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Why outside? Make it a wooden dungeon in the tree ^^

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Originally Posted by Felis

Why outside? Make it a wooden dungeon in the tree ^^

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Inside and outside!!! Start outside and work your way to the opening(s).

I know I'm threading on dangerous ground here, but I'm more miffed about the leaf-textures on the trees and the pixelated shadows they cast. Hopefully, they will touch them up some more before release.

The shadows of pixels are pixelated :P

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Originally Posted by Mug

I know I'm threading on dangerous ground here, but I'm more miffed about the leaf-textures on the trees and the pixelated shadows they cast. Hopefully, they will touch them up some more before release.

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Saying anything is treading on dangerous territory here :D

@Reika: I would like to see that kind of dungeon Reika - I like the Lifa tree but does anyone remember that tree in FFIX that was in the desert / surrounded by a desert storm? Big tree, stuff inside and out = cool :D lol

Maybe mix dungeon and town together - throughout the base and core is dungeon but after you reach a certain height there is a town near the top. Supplies through use of airships.

@Felis: certainty not all trees - but the trees on the cliffs even the types that go straight down would have roots coming out of the cliff walls.

That's such a small thing.. Who's looking at the ground besides you? lol

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Saying anything is treading on dangerous territory here :D

@Reika: I would like to see that kind of dungeon Reika - I like the Tifa tree but does anyone remember that tree in FFIX that was in the desert / surrounded by a desert storm? Big tree, stuff inside and out = cool :D lol

Maybe mix dungeon and town together - throughout the base and core is dungeon but after you reach a certain height there is a town near the top. Supplies through use of airships.

@Felis: certainty not all trees - but the trees on the cliffs even the types that go straight down would have roots coming out of the cliff walls.

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FFIX in general had lots and lots of overgrown plants its was quite nice. The lifa tree the source of the mist, Cleyra another big tree surrounded by a sandstorm hurricane(you had to avoid sand pits and fiddle with the sand levels on the way up), The evil forest too with its plant monsters and the rush to escape it.

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This is a small thing, there's no arguing there. But with details in place it creates that little extra quality we FF players are so fond of like Alaltus mentions here, memories are created by these details. Lifa tree is a big part of FF lore, and to give trees more life can only do good i think. There may be alot of other types of details that can be added as well, everything counts in my book. The roots was just something i immediatly noticed by some strange reason.

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Originally Posted by Pwnagraphic

That's such a small thing.. Who's looking at the ground besides you? lol

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You do realize that good design is majorly made up from such small things, aka "attention to detail"? The reason our current maps were so bland and repetitive despite the game having great graphics, was precisely because of such little things missing.

While tree roots don't make or break a game, it would be nice to have to add to the overall atmosphere of the game. Same goes for fire/butterflies or birds flying around, or NPCs strolling through the streets. Or grass (whoops, I said it :P) growing on the fields.

People have been shouting lately, that graphics are not important, they want to concentrate on The Game. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure the majority of those people were also the ones annoyed by copy-pasted, bland maps.

nitpicking

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Originally Posted by Reika

Like the ones a tree like Yggdrasil would have?

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He means roots trailing over the surface of the ground like tree roots do.

I like the idea of seeing more roots, but I suppose its possible that the Gridanians buried the roots to protect them and get them out of the way?

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Are you suggesting Yggdrasil does or does not have normal tree roots? Also is that the name of those trees?

I hope not.. should save the epic tree name for an epic tree XD lol

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Yggdrasil is an ash tree.

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Originally Posted by Punainen

Yggdrasil is an ash tree.

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A very very big ash tree.. :P

(epic tree)

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Originally Posted by Mug

I know I'm threading on dangerous ground here, but I'm more miffed about the leaf-textures on the trees and the pixelated shadows they cast. Hopefully, they will touch them up some more before release.

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Yeah those shadows are pretty bad, they remind me of Skyrim shadows >.<

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Originally Posted by Galliano

Yeah those shadows are pretty bad, they remind me of Skyrim shadows >.<

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Skyrims is due to bad settings lol - you can modify a couple lines to get really good shadows with 0 fps loss. Can go further with some mods but then you will lose frames..

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Originally Posted by Angelas

nitpicking

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Suggestions =/= Nitpicking

Yggdrasil or translated into "The frightful horse" is the name of the tree. This is where the squirrel Ratatoskr runs up and down delivering bad words between Nidhogg and the eagle Vidofnir. And yes, indeed. Yggdrasil is an ash tree.

Kinda feel proud of being Norwegian with all the Norse mythology being used not only in SE but in a lot of games. But it's no surprise really, the stories are incredible. Ah! memories I have from childhood when my grandpa told me these stories.

:)

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Originally Posted by Punainen

Yggdrasil is an ash tree.

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Originally Posted by Joji

Yes, overdoing it won't be any good, it has to look realistic and convenient. Roots go down into the earth and then forces its way on top of the surface. From what i see, the roots just go down and it looks kind of unnatural to me.
We are talking perfection here. XD

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it really depends on the tree, the Sequoiadendron species of treesrarely have spread out roots

First the grass...
Now the trees (or their roots, whatever)...

Bored people are the worst.

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Originally Posted by Syrokko

First the grass...
Now the trees (or their roots, whatever)...

Bored people are the worst.

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Still better than bored people complaining about bored people. Not interested - don't post.

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Originally Posted by Syrokko

First the grass...
Now the trees (or their roots, whatever)...

Bored people are the worst.

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At least the OP isn't claiming that 2.0 will fail without roots.

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Originally Posted by Soukyuu

Still better than bored people complaining about bored people. Not interested - don't post.

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So...
Because you're not interested... I should... stop... post...

I'm sorry. What?
You're retarded.

Just think to yourself what's worse.
The bored person A who's complaining about bored people (OP) making useless and uninteresting threads...
Or the bored person B (you) who's telling bored person A not to post because he's "not interested".

Oh, and FYI, there are plenty of trees out there that grow in such a way that causes their roots not to appear exposed (gasp!).

Oh, and let's face it...
Even if they do fix this, people like you will find something else to complain about.

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Originally Posted by Syrokko

So...
Because you're not interested... I should... stop... post...

I'm sorry. What?
You're retarded.

Just think to yourself what's worse.
The bored person A who's complaining about bored people (OP) making useless and uninteresting threads...
Or the bored person B (you) who's telling bored person A not to post because he's "not interested".

Oh, and FYI, there are plenty of trees out there that grow in such a way that causes their roots not to appear exposed (gasp!).

Oh, and let's face it...
Even if they do fix this, people like you will find something else to complain about.

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Well, first, name calling won't get you anywhere.

Second, if you're having a hard time reading an ellipsis, let me rephrase: "(If you're) not interested (in a thread's topic) - don't post". Simple, isn't it?

Third, if you intend to involve me into a squabble spanning multiple pages, I will have to disappoint you.

@Syrokko I had no intention of making this a complaint in any way and I think i can say that on behalf of those of us who see the meaning of this thread. As i said in previous posts, this is a small thing, and i wouldn't be dissapointed if this would be totally ignored by SE. I believe that feedback is important even if it's a big or small issue. But saying it is boring and that you are not interested makes me alittle confused with what reason you post here?

First off, happy to see another Norwegian here ^^

Posts complaining about posts usually only serve one purpose. To cause stir.

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Originally Posted by Valmonte

it really depends on the tree, the Sequoiadendron species of treesrarely have spread out roots

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I am fully aware that not all trees are the same :), I live near the forest here in Norway, and boy is it beautiful here. My intention with this post is to share what i think and potentially make the game even better, this time visually.