[Suggestion] Target switching while fighting a Group

(please don't tell me this has already been posted, please don't tell me this has already been...)

Heya!

Let's imagine the scenario first:

You are in the verge of beginning a levequest, and as you touched the aetheryte with it, you start wandering into the lands of [place here], and suddenly you meet a group of 2 Stray Dodos.

You start to fight with Dodo A while Dodo B is keeling and sleeping you.
You can feel the energy of Dodo A fading out!
You killed Dodo A!

And now, in this very time, your character recognizes Dodo B and instantly targets him, as you can order your character to attack him without mistaking targeting another enemy or N/PC.

This option will be enabled/disabled by clicking a button in the options, or simply by the command:

/autotarget (/auta) [on/off]

Maybe this could be a little issue for the healers, as when an enemy gets KO'd they'll target the next one in the group cycle.
To fix this, I'd make the auto-targeting possible only if before the enemy dies, you have targeted it.
This will also solve a problem with players in the party who wanted to kill that target of the monsters group, but it might have died before landing a hit, so the player can instantly attack the next mob of the group.

Ideas? Suggestions?

See ya!


Oh, and Dodo B ceased to live.

i posted a idea where this could easily be done
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Taget-Lock-on

with a simple double click to the left or right you could switch the target.

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Originally Posted by Randis

i posted a idea where this could easily be done
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Taget-Lock-on

with a simple double click to the left or right you could switch the target.

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That looks nice Rand! Actually, switching targets with the gamepad while in lock on is a no-no, and that would really fix that problem =)

Anyway, it would be nice switching targets in a group when a monster of that group gets KO'd, so you'll have your next target set instantly without any "Oh no! I targeted the wrong monster!" issue or whatever.

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Originally Posted by Renshi

(please don't tell me this has already been posted, please don't tell me this has already been...)

Heya!

Let's imagine the scenario first:

You are in the verge of beginning a levequest, and as you touched the aetheryte with it, you start wandering into the lands of [place here], and suddenly you meet a group of 2 Stray Dodos.

You start to fight with Dodo A while Dodo B is keeling and sleeping you.
You can feel the energy of Dodo A fading out!
You killed Dodo A!

And now, in this very time, your character recognizes Dodo B and instantly targets him, as you can order your character to attack him without mistaking targeting another enemy or N/PC.

This option will be enabled/disabled by clicking a button in the options, or simply by the command:

/autotarget (/auta) [on/off]

Maybe this could be a little issue for the healers, as when an enemy gets KO'd they'll target the next one in the group cycle.
To fix this, I'd make the auto-targeting possible only if before the enemy dies, you have targeted it.
This will also solve a problem with players in the party who wanted to kill that target of the monsters group, but it might have died before landing a hit, so the player can instantly attack the next mob of the group.

Ideas? Suggestions?

See ya!


Oh, and Dodo B ceased to live.

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I could swear it already worked like that to some extent ?.My biggest problem is the target stays on the dead mob for a bit before it changes to the new red mob.

The funny thing is SE had this in the game and they took it out. Yes thats right it was allready in the game. Then they took it out. 9 times out of 10 it didn't work right, but it was in the game.

Edit: the reason it stayed on the dead mob was because their are spells that take MP after a mob dies.

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Originally Posted by Frebaut

The funny thing is SE had this in the game and they took it out. Yes thats right it was allready in the game. Then they took it out. 9 times out of 10 it didn't work right, but it was in the game.

Edit: the reason it stayed on the dead mob was because their are spells that take MP after a mob dies.

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I know the reason, i just think is annoying for my play style.

I think that if they manage to fix that, it would be great and really convenient!

Also, another idea could be like in FFXI, selecting the next enemy of the group that the PC has in its line of sight. That could be nice too and a little more realistic (less "BA-ZAAAAAM!!! You dead! NINJA! You too!" and more "Ok, I have to kill it. Alrite! Now i have to... oh Jesus Christ, where the f**k did it go... Oh, behind me. DIE!").

easy fix, whilst locked on, you're actually locked on to the group, tap the auto run button to switch 'group' target without breaking your lock.

makes sense to me from a controller user perspective.

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Originally Posted by TessaJalloh

easy fix, whilst locked on, you're actually locked on to the group, tap the auto run button to switch 'group' target without breaking your lock.

makes sense to me from a controller user perspective.

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What about left and right buttons?

Anyway, the main issue here is that when you defeat a monster in a group, you most likely lose track of the next monster (nearer from you) of the group. This can be solved by triggering th event that changes the target when the monster is KO.

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Originally Posted by Renshi

What about left and right buttons?

Anyway, the main issue here is that when you defeat a monster in a group, you most likely lose track of the next monster (nearer from you) of the group. This can be solved by triggering th event that changes the target when the monster is KO.

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The left and right buttons (assuming you refer to the D-pad) during combat are reserved for navigating the combat UI. If you mean Rb and Lb or R1 and L1, then L1/Lb is the auto run button, and R1/Rb is the active/passive toggle buttons.

(this refers to a preset control scheme and not a custom setup)

The triggers/R2-L2 are the macro toggles, and therefore are already in use.

Isn't this what the targeting mods are for? Not to mention, your idea only works when you have two mobs. If you have more than that and it auto targets the wrong mob, you're going to have to manually switch targets anyway.

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Originally Posted by TessaJalloh

The left and right buttons (assuming you refer to the D-pad) during combat are reserved for navigating the combat UI. If you mean Rb and Lb or R1 and L1, then L1/Lb is the auto run button, and R1/Rb is the active/passive toggle buttons.

(this refers to a preset control scheme and not a custom setup)

The triggers/R2-L2 are the macro toggles, and therefore are already in use.

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ugh... I failed to tell exactly what I meant. Sorry, but I was working and writing that post on my smartphone and I got completely forgotten about that piece of information.

I meant: Press the Left and Right button on your D-Pad while holding the Auto-run button. While holding that button, the skillbar will not receive commands from the D-Pad and you can cycle through targets.

I deeply apologize, I'll never ever build posts with my phone from now then since I can be lead to distractions while writing =D

In answer to Dreamer, in case of 3 monsters, the auto-targeting will take the closest one to your PC.

It is possible to have both the "Hold down Auto-run and press the arrows left to right to switch target" and "Target the closest near you after it gets KO'd". That could be another good idea.

I feel like the game really needs something like this. Behest for example.. I'm in a party, and we take on a group of 3 monsters. I target the first monster and attack, it dies, then I'm trying and trying to target the next monster to attack it, but it takes too long and I'm unable to even get a hit in. Exact same thing happens for the third monster. It would be SO much easier if I just auto targeted the next monster claimed by my party. This is my biggest issue with parties right now.

Edit: And I can't use the new targeting system, :\ it actually makes things more difficult for me.

Edit again: I'd even be happy with an "/assist name" command. lol

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Originally Posted by Nabiri

I feel like the game really needs something like this. Behest for example.. I'm in a party, and we take on a group of 3 monsters. I target the first monster and attack, it dies, then I'm trying and trying to target the next monster to attack it, but it takes too long and I'm unable to even get a hit in. Exact same thing happens for the third monster. It would be SO much easier if I just auto targeted the next monster claimed by my party. This is my biggest issue with parties right now.

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For that problem, I'd suggest a quickfix:

KEYBOARD USER:
Press F8 and it will target the nearest monster or NPC in your line of sight.

GAMEPAD USER:
Bind in a macro the command:
/targetnpc
and then you can use the macro list button in your gamepad to access it.

That command simply targets the nearest monster or NPC in your line of sight.

I hope this helps as a hotfix!

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Originally Posted by Renshi

I hope this helps as a hotfix!

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Hmm.. Thanks, I'll try it out in the meantime! ^-^/

Seems like an unnecessary and actually detrimental automation to me. People should always have to select their own target (and yes, be able to get it wrong if they aren't attentive/focused enough) IMHO.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Seems like an unnecessary and actually detrimental automation to me. People should always have to select their own target (and yes, be able to get it wrong if they aren't attentive/focused enough) IMHO.

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You are right. As a player you have to select your own target and kick the butt out of it.
But I was writing about attacking a group, which is usually 3-4, maybe 5 monsters, and those are your monsters and yours alone (and your party's). With a gamepad, it could be easier and more convenient to switch between targets if you could switch to the next monster of the group when it gets KO'd, or switching between targets when you have focused another target, just like Tessa wrote, which is actually impossible with the gamepad.
You can easily change targets with the keyboard with the pressure of TAB or with the mouse.

Yeah, FFXI had this I believe. See no reason why it couldn't be added to FFXIV.