Hein, not Amon

This has been irking me for a few days now. The concept art shown below depicts Hein, not Amon. The color scheme is clearly that of Hein, and Hein has a backstory where Amon does not. Notice how the Amon page only gives a simple boss strategy, whereas Hein has a story section. I've played FFIII multiple times and can attest to its accuracy.
http://static2.finalfantasyxiv.com/a...UkkCbYRRxc.png

Edit: It doesn't matter if you think he's Amon because of ties to the Crystal Tower. Amon is nothing more than a pallet swap of Hein.

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Originally Posted by Yrusama

This has been irking me for a few days now. The concept art shown below depicts Hein, not Amon. The color scheme is clearly that of Hein, and Hein has a backstory where Amon does not. Notice how the Amon page only gives a simple boss strategy, whereas Hein has a story section. I've played FFIII multiple times and can attest to its accuracy.
http://static2.finalfantasyxiv.com/a...UkkCbYRRxc.png

Edit: It doesn't matter if you think he's Amon because of ties to the Crystal Tower. Amon is nothing more than a pallet swap of Hein.

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Yoshi-p called him Amon.
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If Yoshi-P called him Squiggy the Space Dog that is who he'd be, no matter how wrong you think it is.

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Originally Posted by Masamune1004

Squiggy the Space Dog

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http://i.imgur.com/Ooo1u.jpg

If Yoshi-P called him Amon, then I stand corrected, but he's also getting a bit of lore wrong. I'll still play the game, but I hope this is corrected.

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Originally Posted by Yrusama

If Yoshi-P called him Amon, then I stand corrected, but he's also getting a bit of lore wrong. I'll still play the game, but I hope this is corrected.

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What lore? It's just a guy who happens to be named Amon and who happens to look like Hein, just like there happens to be a mage from the 5th astral era named Shatotto, which sounds kinda like Shantotto but isn't.

Hein is a unique character only from FFIII that has a unique story. Having him appear on XIV with the same name AND appearance would imply some sort of cameo/dimensional rift sort of like Dissidia.

Amon, on the other hand is a name given to the clone mob with no back story, and thus the name Amon can be used without implications and can receive a back story as a character for a different FF game. You already mentioned the Crystal Tower motif.

So, I think Yoshi P had him named Amon instead of Hein on purpose and that his reasoning essentially was that Hein is an existing unique character in another title already and he only wants the boss type with a new character in XIV.

Given that the argument has already been made that Amon ties directly to the crystal tower I don't see how Yoshi is getting any lore wrong. It's not like he stated it was a prominent figure in the story of final fantasy 3. Just that he is related to the crystal tower and he is from ff3.

As for the coloration... that's being just a little too persnickety. I mean, what next? Complaining that he's not a horribly rendered 8-bit sprite? Complaining that he's not the dapper skeleton he seems to be in those 8-bit renderings?

It would make far more sense from a lore perspective to have him continue to be Amon tied to the crystal tower from ff3 with no real story or lore connections beyond that rather than to pluck a character out of his story and then try and repurpose him for another game and another story.

P.S.

Apparently Noctis types faster than I do. ><;

Under the context applied, it's Amon. Just deal with it.

And FF3 was a bad game anyways, so it's not a big fuss for me.

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Originally Posted by Issachar

And FF3 was a bad game anyways, so it's not a big fuss for me.

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/em hides in a bunker.

I would have like Gogo more.

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

I would have like Gogo more.

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Given the context of gogo's back story and the lore behind him, he is one of the few characters from a previous FF that would actually be able to be present in another game's story without too many complications.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! I was kinda hoping this little thread of mine would be lost to oblivion, and that all arguments would be continued in the "Gogo" thread.

Anyway, I always thought of Amon as a name given to the pallet swap boss simply because they didn't feel like calling him "Hein Clone" or whatever, like "Xande's Clone". It seems more logical to me to call him Hein, but if the devs are sticking to their decision I guess I can't argue. Thankfully I'm not the first/only person to bring this up, so maybe they'll change it.

I see what you all are saying, but the reason I'm bugged by it is the color scheme. They could have chosen the Amon color scheme, but they went with Hein's instead. Even then, Hein is a much more iconic character in FFIII, referenced in both The Spirits Within and FFVIII. So far what Yoshi-P has shown us has been a series of FF icons adapted for XIV. The list is beginning to rival the iconic boss list in Theatrhythm, which is a game designed for throwback, and even that called him Hein. I had to look up the name "Amon" to see what people were talking about, he's so forgettable. It's a weak name reference, and ultimately not that hard for them to change.

Anyway, that's my rant. You don't have to agree with it, and flaming me probably won't change how I feel, nor should it really matter to you.

Edit: They could explain that the character himself discarded the name Hein in favor of Amon. It doesn't have to follow III's canon exactly, but it'd run parallel enough that I can rest easy. Either that, or he can take off that mask to reveal a skeleton face and have his name change to Hein then. Still not canon, but a much stronger allusion.

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Originally Posted by Ferth

Given the context of gogo's back story and the lore behind him, he is one of the few characters from a previous FF that would actually be able to be present in another game's story without too many complications.

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Heh, Gogo could have recurred as often as Gilgamesh, but I guess he never caught on.

My opinion on the matter is this:

Amon was tied to the crystal tower, and had the better colour pallet (Hein looks washed out).

They also probably didn't want to add Hein because he's a character with a backstory, and I think that they want to keep it to references only.

Zone eater type dungeon (worm type mob who sucks you up) with gogo as a boss who randomly mimics party members attack/spells can i have it?

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Originally Posted by Yrusama

This has been irking me for a few days now. The concept art shown below depicts Hein, not Amon. The color scheme is clearly that of Hein, and Hein has a backstory where Amon does not. Notice how the Amon page only gives a simple boss strategy, whereas Hein has a story section. I've played FFIII multiple times and can attest to its accuracy.
http://static2.finalfantasyxiv.com/a...UkkCbYRRxc.png

Edit: It doesn't matter if you think he's Amon because of ties to the Crystal Tower. Amon is nothing more than a pallet swap of Hein.

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This isn't FFIII


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This notion of "I have a problem with this enemy being called this" is nearly as dumb as the "Why is SE taking my gil?".

Threatening to quit over this is just.. wow.. there are no words to explain it, or at least ones that are acceptable for this forum.

Its Amon if SE says its Amon.

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Originally Posted by Buddhsie

This notion of "I have a problem with this enemy being called this" is nearly as dumb as the "Why is SE taking my gil?".

Threatening to quit over this is just.. wow.. there are no words to explain it, or at least ones that are acceptable for this forum.

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Who threatened to quit over it?

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Originally Posted by Yrusama

If Yoshi-P called him Amon, then I stand corrected, but he's also getting a bit of lore wrong. I'll still play the game, but I hope this is corrected.

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This guy did.

Better read that again.

I can imagine Yoshi-P wearing this huge troll-face-grin right now, irrespective of whether it's indeed Amon or he just got the names mixed up himself.


The localised in-game text will tell us, courtesy of Fernehawles and his fellow Voidsent.