Ninja looters > Spyre Ares and Kroma Chan

Spyre Ares, Kuumi Humi and other members of Empyreal Paradox LS got top20 in Ul'dah hamlet defense and returned me my lost seal. And we done roll for Militia Choker too.
All fair now. Thank you Spyre Ares and Empyreal Paradox for solving this question honestly.

For all members of Sargatanas:
Spyre Ares and his LS proved that they playing fair enough.
I'm apologize to Spyre Ares and Empyreal Paradox members.

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Wow thats horrible. Sorry this happened to you :( And thanks for the heads up...; ;

soon just them 3 will beable to party only with each other there filling up /blist all over.

one reason i hope we dont get name changes in the future.

You've already been contacted by someone concerning that unfortunate event but I'd like to assure you measures will be taken to address this inside the Linkshell they're in. We neither do, nor should we take this lightly.

Are you going to have the Militia Choker returned as well? It didn't look like Kuumi won that.

We will do what's possible, we can't do the impossible.
However, if Kuumi is willing to right his wrong, then the choker would go to the one who rolled the highest of all the participants after a reroll if we can gather everyone. Not an easy task but it's the most fair way to settle this.

Oh my, I know those people... /ashamed

For shame, tsk tsk, so shameful

And they shall change their name in 2.0, never to be punished, with their shiny brand new relics

player warnings!

we were having problems with our ISP, Spyre tried to pass loot to someone but for being too hasty he gave them to wrong people and our ISP crashed. After a while we came back in and tried to explain to Shiori and told her we would do runs until her seal drop again, but she went emorage and start bringing all this s**t.

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Originally Posted by kuumihumi

we were having problems with our ISP, Spyre tried to pass loot to someone but for being too hasty he gave them to wrong people and our ISP crashed. After a while we came back in and tried to explain to Shiori and told her we would do runs until her seal drop again, but she went emorage and start bringing all this s**t.

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So what you're saying is, Spyre accidentally gave two drops to two different people, all of which are apparently on the same ISP, and your ISP just happened to have an issue right as he passed these? Oh, and this same thing happened before?

Mhmm.

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Originally Posted by kuumihumi

we were having problems with our ISP, Spyre tried to pass loot to someone but for being too hasty he gave them to wrong people and our ISP crashed. After a while we came back in and tried to explain to Shiori and told her we would do runs until her seal drop again, but she went emorage and start bringing all this s**t.

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Now, where is my popcorn?

I tried to write *** 2 days, you did not have in the game! If you want to reform party pack of those people at that time were!

Just to clarify things Kuumi. It's hard to believe you when the same thing happened in AV with Darklight.
You brought that to yourself, you should've thought about it before stealing Darklight from others.

Have you ever heard of the story of the boy who cried wolf ? Yes. Exactly.

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Originally Posted by Arkhana

Just to clarify things Kuumi. It's hard to believe you when the same thing happened in AV with Darklight.
You brought that to yourself, you should've thought about it before stealing Darklight from others.

Have you ever heard of the story of the boy who cried wolf ? Yes. Exactly.

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we never stole DL in AV. The only piece of DL i have is sollerets (sp)
bring me the one who got "stole" in AV

Yeah guys! He accidentally gave them to the exact same people who were have the exact same ISP and who DC'ed at the exact same time.

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Originally Posted by kuumihumi

we were having problems with our ISP, Spyre tried to pass loot to someone but for being too hasty he gave them to wrong people and our ISP crashed.

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It's a lie. And you know it. Spyre passed inferno seal after roll, and he pass it not to me (when I roll 98!), but to Kroma Chan (who rolled 18 and was a 'provisioner' who got fist seal).
He also passed militia choker to you (Kuumi Humi), but no roll was for it. So, why all 'not wrong' persons was from same LS Empyreal Paradox? And why they all 'crashed' within 10-15 seconds after they got items?

About crash: if client crashes, no text shows in log. As you all can see on screenshoot, you all leave party and then logged out. I saw many d/c's and I'm not a fool (except a decision to go with your party for hamlet). I was trying contact Kroma Chan within 5-7 min after hamlet end (it's enough for relog), but he\she was not in game.

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Originally Posted by kuumihumi

After a while we came back in and tried to explain to Shiori and told her we would do runs until her seal drop again, but she went emorage and start bringing all this s**t.

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Another lie. No one from you didn't contact me not after hamlet, not yesterday when you was standing in Ul'dah.
But I contacted yesterday to Kiraboshi LS and as I can see they made a right decision to retire Kroma Chan, Kuumi Humi and Spyre Ares from LS.
My respect for Kiraboshi and apologies for shouting about them.

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Originally Posted by Shiori_Kitano

About crash: if client crashes, no text shows in log. As you all can see on screenshoot, you all leave party and then logged out. I saw many d/c's and I'm not a fool (except a decision to go with your party for hamlet). I was trying contact Kroma Chan within 5-7 min after hamlet end (it's enough for relog), but he\she was not in game.

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it is clear u didn't, when u crash in an instance u see the "Person leave the party"

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Originally Posted by kuumihumi

it is clear u didn't, when u crash in an instance u see the "Person leave the party"

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fairly sure you don't usually the only indication is losing strength in numbers.

but yeah this kinda thing is why i hate the current loot system. gms need the power to fix this kinda crap.

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Originally Posted by kuumihumi

we were having problems with our ISP, Spyre tried to pass loot to someone but for being too hasty he gave them to wrong people and our ISP crashed. After a while we came back in and tried to explain to Shiori and told her we would do runs until her seal drop again, but she went emorage and start bringing all this s**t.

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Then explain why it happened twice. that just dosent happen. it happened to botr her and me that isnt normal just own up to what you guys pulled and quit doing this to people play the game fairly

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Originally Posted by Dzian

fairly sure you don't usually the only indication is losing strength in numbers.

but yeah this kinda thing is why i hate the current loot system. gms need the power to fix this kinda crap.

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Dzian is right you do NOT see any message.

For proof: I went into totorak and intentionaly crashed my alt to see two things:
1- how long it takes to actually see my alt gone on my main caracter screen
2- if there was any "leave the party" message

here is the SS of my log, I have timestamps activated so you can see how long it took:

http://imageshack.us/a/img571/3374/crashalt.png

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1- took one SOLID minute to actualy see my alt disapear (I dont believe it took you that long to leave party once you received the loot)
2- you have NO "X leave the PT" (not event a "party disband" message or anything) message when you crash!

You guys did this on purpose, you guys are thiefs and should not find anyone to play with you ever again!

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Originally Posted by Ithil

Dzian is right you do NOT see any message.

For proof: I went into totorak and intentionaly crashed my alt to see two things:
1- how long it takes to actually see my alt gone on my main caracter screen
2- if there was any "leave the party" message

here is the SS of my log, I have timestamps activated so you can see how long it took:

http://imageshack.us/a/img571/3374/crashalt.png

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1- took one SOLID minute to actualy see my alt disapear (I dont believe it took you that long to leave party once you received the loot)
2- you have NO "X leave the PT" (not event a "party disband" message or anything) message when you crash!

You guys did this on purpose, you guys are thiefs and should not find anyone to play with you ever again!

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Is that proof enough ?

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Originally Posted by kuumihumi

we were having problems with our ISP, Spyre tried to pass loot to someone but for being too hasty he gave them to wrong people and our ISP crashed. After a while we came back in and tried to explain to Shiori and told her we would do runs until her seal drop again, but she went emorage and start bringing all this s**t.

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A convenient excuse for a convenient crime...

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Originally Posted by Ithil

Dzian is right you do NOT see any message.

For proof: I went into totorak and intentionaly crashed my alt to see two things:
1- how long it takes to actually see my alt gone on my main caracter screen
2- if there was any "leave the party" message

here is the SS of my log, I have timestamps activated so you can see how long it took:

http://imageshack.us/a/img571/3374/crashalt.png

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1- took one SOLID minute to actualy see my alt disapear (I dont believe it took you that long to leave party once you received the loot)
2- you have NO "X leave the PT" (not event a "party disband" message or anything) message when you crash!

You guys did this on purpose, you guys are thiefs and should not find anyone to play with you ever again!

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Looks like you've been caught red handed. To think that you would go so far as to attempt to pass it off as a three way DC AND denounce Shiori for going "emorage and starting all this s**t" that's just low, Kuumi and co, I mean reall really low...

I can understand how running the same content for days if not weeks on end can get sickening and disheartening when everyone but you gets what they want. If that was the reason you three did this then you would have been a lot better off admitting your wrong doing and explaining yourselves. You just shot your self in the foot by coming on these forums and attempting to pull the wool over everyone's eyes.

Do you really think we are that stupid?

/disgusted

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Originally Posted by Matsume

Do you really think we are that stupid?

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That is exactly what I thought...
Matsume, can I marry you ? :p

It's painful that this is not against the rules. a better loot system is desperately needed. a party loot list is needed like in FFXI. putting it in player hands is just asking for trouble. almost every other big MMO has party loot lists rather than individual loot lists.

unfortunately there's not a good way to fix this. unless you get special currency for hamlet and you actually buy things instead of hoping they drop.

good luck getting seals in the future. maybe look for a hamlet LS or static so you cna trust everyone there

It will be interesting to see if word passes on the server about these three. The warning is appreciated

This is the biggest news at the moment on the Sargatanas server and everybody is talking about it. So rest assured they have been named and shamed. I just hope they don't bring shame on their linkshells, I know good, honest players in those linkshells.

The Final Fantasy online gaming community is, in my experience, the best community ever! It's a shame it only takes a few people to spoil it for the rest of us.. For me this is worse than real money trading..

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Originally Posted by Ithil

Dzian is right you do NOT see any message.

For proof: I went into totorak and intentionaly crashed my alt to see two things:
1- how long it takes to actually see my alt gone on my main caracter screen
2- if there was any "leave the party" message

here is the SS of my log, I have timestamps activated so you can see how long it took:

http://imageshack.us/a/img571/3374/crashalt.png

Answers:
1- took one SOLID minute to actualy see my alt disapear (I dont believe it took you that long to leave party once you received the loot)
2- you have NO "X leave the PT" (not event a "party disband" message or anything) message when you crash!

You guys did this on purpose, you guys are thiefs and should not find anyone to play with you ever again!

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you say the truth.

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It will be interesting to see if word passes on the server about these three. The warning is appreciated

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already getting /sh in ul'dah with all 3 of there names. 2 days in a row

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Originally Posted by Onisake

It's painful that this is not against the rules. a better loot system is desperately needed. a party loot list is needed like in FFXI. putting it in player hands is just asking for trouble. almost every other big MMO has party loot lists rather than individual loot lists.

unfortunately there's not a good way to fix this. unless you get special currency for hamlet and you actually buy things instead of hoping they drop.

good luck getting seals in the future. maybe look for a hamlet LS or static so you cna trust everyone there

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all they need to do is give gms power to intervene. admiteddly it becomes a little complex when groups run tings differently but a simple glance over the chat logs would most likely fix any issues. read the log see the parties loot rules and judge accordingly.

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More info powered by Kuumi.

Since I got my connection back 15h ago I've spoken with Shiori about the seal, we agreed on doing runs until it will drop, so hold your horses 'till tomorrow :D.
I apologize for what happened but that's the risk of doing LAN with "Telecom ITALIA", and was my mistake assuming, the other 2 PCs were still running.
I still don't get the whole "stealing" stuff since I've sent the /tell and agreed on doing more runs for her, I assume none of you here have done hamlets on Sargatanas recently, there are 3-4 STEALER that STOLE EVERYTHING and no one do nothing for them.
But as soon as I (or the ISP up to you) do an error i got shouted for like 2 days straight? that's actually not fair at all.

Blame me for being rude during runs, but stealing is totally another thing and again I apologise and will return everything.
@Ithil Inside hamlet it say that you leave the party, check that for yourself or I'll post pic of the test with Shiori tomorrow.
Peace.

p.s. sorry for my english.

This is getting good. Anyone have any butter?
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Yeah I checked for myself and you do have the message when you crash. But for god sake if you are in LAN why the hell would you pass the loot to the ppl on the same LAN as you when getting R0? (That is assuming you manage to pass item when you are R0ing which I have never seen before).

Why don't you modify your loot system: whomever randomly receives the drop to their loot list is considered to have won the roll unless they don't want it, in which case the rest of you can /random for it. The game is already /randoming between the 8 of you internally to assign the loot; it's perfectly fair. I'm not defending ninja looting, but you can make it a lot easier on yourselves.

Because drop is rare enough that you do not want to wait it to drop on your own loot list. And also if you do declare " ok this loot is not for me, who want it" how many will rool on it do you think? The answer is ALL cause you did not determine in advance who could roll on what.

Hello, all.
As Spyre Ares said:

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"we agreed on doing runs until it will drop, so hold your horses"

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Honestly, I hope this was a real misunderstanding and we can solve this situation today.

I've started shouting on next day after hamlet, because none of those three peoples who got loot didn't contact me about it. I saw Kuumi Humi standing in Ul'dah and I saw Spyre Ares on evening too. I think this is strange actions for LS master and LS members in this situation, especially for misunderstanding.
I will not explain motivation of all my actions now. I did what I did, based on my information about this players.

I think this is a question of honor to give back what was taken, specially or not.
IF seal would be returned, I'm ready to publicly apologize to all accused people. If not...

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But for god sake if you are in LAN why the hell would you pass the loot to the ppl on the same LAN as you when getting R0? (That is assuming you manage to pass item when you are R0ing which I have never seen before).

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As you can see in first post, item was passed after roll. Even on R0 chat is still active some time, so it was impossible not to see roll results. Spyre also typed 'k' and passed seal after it, thats why I don't believe that he was R0 on this moment.

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Because drop is rare enough that you do not want to wait it to drop on your own loot list.

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Drop is VERY rare if you play fair and without getting place in Top20. In standard party first seal goes to provisioner and next seal rolls between members. I've done ~7 runs in Aleport tonight, and our party has got only 2 seals (I loose /random for booth). So, every seal goes with sweat and blood if you don't have LS static party, or place in Top20, or very good luck.
For current seal, which I lost, I worked about a week in different parties.

C'mon give back the seal you stole and let's end this pathetic story. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Kerwin

This is getting good. Anyone have any butter?
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Haha, scammers and ninja on FFXIV are always so fun.
R0, ISP, CICCIPI, PIPPI, orly?
A new legend is born in Italy, called "Pinocchien matracchior conquistador", there's some official screenshot around too...

http://imageshack.us/a/img651/6671/spyredaresfinale.png

Btw, I am sure he will help Shiori to get his seal back, he wont ruins again his "HNMLS" (rotfl) (Empyreal Paradox crew) reputation (that's why many of them was doing the event with other LS on, ahahah).
Good luck Shiori ;)

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Originally Posted by Ithil

Because drop is rare enough that you do not want to wait it to drop on your own loot list. And also if you do declare " ok this loot is not for me, who want it" how many will rool on it do you think? The answer is ALL cause you did not determine in advance who could roll on what.

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Nope, the first seal was for the supply and then we agreed on random for the next one.

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Originally Posted by Ithil

Yeah I checked for myself and you do have the message when you crash. But for god sake if you are in LAN why the hell would you pass the loot to the ppl on the same LAN as you when getting R0? (That is assuming you manage to pass item when you are R0ing which I have never seen before).

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No one said I was R0, I just got WAY TOO MUCH spike like for like 1500 to 2500 and couldn't even move, that's why I changed some equip and typed in chat, just to see if the client was lagging.
Hell they both were near me in my room, it was a dumb move as you can se within the screenshot even Emrys and Arkh were surprised.

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Originally Posted by Nakutto

Haha, scammers and ninja on FFXIV are always so fun.
R0, ISP, CICCIPI, PIPPI, orly?
A new legend is born in Italy, called "Pinocchien matracchior conquistador", there's some official screenshot around too...


Btw, I am sure he will help Shiori to get his seal back, he wont ruins again his "HNMLS" (rofl) (Empyreal Paradox crew) reputation (that's why many of them was doing the event with other LS on, ahahah).
Good luck Shiori ;)

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And that why the topic is so famous, full of people who tried to join the ls and never accepted :/ gotta love the 0 moderation policy of Square Enix.

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Originally Posted by Shiori_Kitano

I saw Kuumi Humi standing in Ul'dah and I saw Spyre Ares on evening too. I think this is strange actions for LS master and LS members in this situation, especially for misunderstanding.

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I don't blame Kuumi for not being polite, since he got bashed from like 30 ppl in 20min while he was arguing.
Just for who was wondering me and Kuu live nearby.

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Originally Posted by SpyreZ

And that why the topic is so famous, full of people who tried to join the ls and never accepted :/ gotta love the 0 moderation policy of Square Enix.

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Ahah, you're really insane you have some mental troubles... I dropped your fucking LS a month ago because of you, fortunately. You even came to me on skype begging for a banner for our linkshell.

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Seriously, stop saying shit and make it up to guy who you stole the seal to get a new one.
Aknowledge that you fucked up big time and try to make it up for that poor guy.
Nonetheless, you destroyed your own linkshell and all that remained of it's dignity and reputation coming here and trying to fool people into believing your farce.
Unforgivable.

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