Okay. I used the search-function and couldn't find any topic about this. So...
It happened to me twice so far. Both times while i was doing gathering leves. And now i think: Zone-Borders should be more clear on the map! (Please...) :(
So this is what happened:
I activated a fishing leve today, R20, The Black Shroud, Camp Tranquil. So far so good. I used Guardian Favor for SP bonus. The fishing spot was very far away. At the east end of the map (at the lake right south of quarrymill).
The spot was at position 46, 50. And i saw the aetherial node longroot was kinda on the way. And also the lower way seemed to be a bit shorter then the upper way. Since i don't have the aetherial node for longroot, i thought to myself: Hey, why don't take the lower way and get the node at the way?
Of course i was thinking: Hmmm. There could be dangerous monsters ahead. Which would be way to strong for my R20 fisher. But that falls under the category "experience"... so i went ahead.
I was crossing the bridge at 41, 50 and BAM... "Only the Monke Onke" aborted." Then i remembered that crossing zones aborts leves. Okay, now, i forgot it, didn't pay attention and that was my own mistake. I wasn't very angry or anything. But then i remembered another time when that had happened to me.
I was doing a R40 Botanist leve at Halatali and got agro from one of those little "baby" scorpions. So i was running away. Haha! Who wouldn't? Since it would've killed me... so i was running and running, all over the wide open map and BAM, there it happened too. My leve was aborted... :(
The little creeper was following me all the way to the zone! Only after i crossed the border it returned to its territory. But by that time... it was already to late. I also think that might have been some kind of wrong programming. Since it was strange that it followed me THIS far. And SE already adjusted the system again, so this should not happen anymore. Still!
So this is why i would like to see more clear zone lines...
If i would've seen the border of the zone on my (mini-)map, then i would've probably turned around, trying to lose the melting by walking into the other direction.
Also, it's quit hard to remember where all the zones are. Especially on a map so open wide like Thanalan. You know it's somewhere between the camps and the nodes. And you can kinda "see it" if you walk over the map, cross the invisible zone border, and there are just no monsters around you, you're already wondering about that (maybe...), and then they suddenly appear all around you. Shock! :eek:
But if you're fleeing, or just looking for the shortest way, or traveling long ways (without a Chocobo under your back! :mad:), you don't always pay attention to those little things. Or maybe someone killed all the mobs in Thanalan, and that's why the area around you is totally empty. Muhahaha. (<= that's supposed to be funny!)
Well. I love the big maps, and the invisible zone lines. But it would be nice to see the borders at least on your (mini-)map.
[Suggestion] Make Zone-Borders more clear (on the map)
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03-31-2011, 09:41 PMAndra[Suggestion] Make Zone-Borders more clear (on the map)
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03-31-2011, 10:18 PMDreamer
I'd rather address the core problem, rather than changing the maps. Once you're a few steps from crossing a zone boundary while doing a leve, it'll pop up a small message to the effect of "You are about to leave this region. Your leve will be aborted."
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03-31-2011, 10:37 PMEvenstar
Yea, a small pop up window that warns you should do the trick. They can give you like a few seconds to turn back and if you don't do that you simply drop your leve.
If they change the graphics it would just look odd, like in WoW. You could see when you were changing maps, but it just didn't look right.
Edit: Good post by the way. Someone with a problem and an idea how to fix it without going into berserk/emo mode. We need more of those! -
03-31-2011, 11:06 PMAlexiaKidd
I would like the zone lines to be a little more clear to as it's annoying when you are on /follow to come back and find you have run half way across the map in the wrong direction because you crossed one of these invisible zone lines.
Would be great if they could figure a way so you didn't disconnect your /follow while crossing a line but if they just made the lines a little more clear that would also be a great help. -
03-31-2011, 11:07 PMSirEdeonX
This actually happened to me on a leve. Just once, cuz I learned not to run away anymore ;P death began to be the answer
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03-31-2011, 11:33 PMTahlia
Happened to me ages ago whilst running into one of the dungeon maps in the region. Soon as the map changed the leve cancelled. Not sure if they fixed that or not since then.
As a visual indication of zonelines I'd probably go with how it was done in FFXI WotG and have guard gates with sentries posted there. However have it be that you need to talk to them to pass like the blue mages that guard access to the Alzadaal ruins.
For the map and mini-map you could have these gates shown with a larger, more noticable icon than the small green arrows we have. And also make them searchable from the map menu much like how you can currently select an atheryte camp and have it show on the map.
I've never really been a fan of zonelines though mainly due to the lack of transition. -
03-31-2011, 11:34 PMAndraIf there's a message like that, then it's probably only shown in the system message, which i've deactivated, because i hate the system message spam in my main window. I also havn't activated the optional textlogs window, since i've problems with it. Still have to adress that, though. =(Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamer
So...
This would be nice! Something you just can't miss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evenstar
Uh, sorry. Maybe i put that wrong. >_< I don't mean them to change what you see on the area around you. I don't want some glowing, flowing shiny balls like in Aion which tell you that there's a zone. No no no! I would like to have something that shows you the borders of the zone either on your Minimap-Compass-Thing or on your Worldmap (when you press M on your keyboard). Only there should be some clear and visible borders. Like, just for example, a color overlay that shows you where you are and how big the zone is you're in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evenstar
That however, would probably cause problems with the color overlay while doing leves. I don't know. Depends on the color, maybe. Some big red lines around the zone would also probably look very... dull... so i don't know if that would be a good solution either. But i guess SE could think of something. ^.^
Thank you. I really don't have a reason to go into berserk mode. To much stress anyways. :-PQuote:
Originally Posted by Evenstar
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04-01-2011, 12:44 AMXenor
Maybe you should have taken the long route, not the longroot. ;)
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04-01-2011, 02:56 AMDreamerI personally wish they would remove /follow altogether. Botters abuse the hell out of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexiaKidd
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04-01-2011, 03:07 AMAlexiaKiddWell we can't remove things from the game just because of botters. SE tried to get around RMT with lots of things and most of the things they did caused problems for everyone. Like everything being done server side to stop hacks but that just meant everyone had crazy lag. RMT and Bot's will happen regardless of what they do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamer
I personally use /follow when we are running to the next camp to grab a drink and go to the toilet. Then when I get back the person I was following follows me so they can do the same. Or if someone is at the door I can quickly /follow and go answer and not worry that I will be left behind.It does have many uses and it is useful but to remove it just because of RMT and botters is not the answer. SE just needs to get the Special Task Force on the case to sort them out. -
04-01-2011, 03:48 AMEvenstar
Anyone that needs to buy gil in FFXIV should seriously stop playing :P It must be the easiest game ever when it comes to making money. I have millions and I never even tried ... so imagine what people can do if they try.
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04-01-2011, 04:00 AMKilta_Firelotus
arn't "zones" (maps) kinda seperated anyway? meaning 1 area 1 map and the zone is show as a open space much like in ffxi? Why not just use the big map and check it to make sure you are not zoning. All the mini map should show is monsters in the area around you. When I travel in mmo I tend to use the big map vs mini map. Since the mini map is so zoomed in.
A message warning people of zoning if on a levequest is a good Idea though. But mini map marker wouldn't work I will just look ugly. (played tons of mmo with them and no one made a decent looking marker) -
04-01-2011, 04:09 AMAlexiaKiddHey Kilta,Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus
Basically how it works now is the zones are huge but they are split over many servers in order to manage them it all. So as you are running behind someone when they cross to the next server they will disappear until you yourself cross the line and enter the next server. It's strange because you think it is all one big zone as there is no loading screen when in fact it is not really. It is lots of smaller zones over many servers to create a big zone.
I think what this topic is about is not the "zone" lines but actually the server lines, where you transfer from one server to the next. If you do this while on a leve then you will fail the leve as the area for the leve will be within the bounds of that server and if you cross to a different server then it auto fails the leve.
Hope that explains it a bit better maybe someone more technical can explain better than I can as to how it works. -
04-01-2011, 04:22 AMKilta_Firelotus
ahhh ok. I gets it I'm only saying what I know when ppl zoned between the cities and the outside area since the map changes. :P. Thanks for answering my question. What he was talking about was a marker of some kind on the mini map to show said lines. Or "server" lines. In general, I haven't seen any mmo make a good zone maker for the mini map. I've played a few with them. I think a message would be best and have less clutter on the mini map.
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04-01-2011, 05:51 AMAndraHe? I hope you're not refering to me. Because i'm, if you don't mind, a She. ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus
Basically that's what i mean, yes. A real zone is probably the one where your screen turns black and you've the "Now Loading..." Somewhere in one of the corners. My bad. :( I'm not really technical either. >_< But your post Alexia probably explains it way better then mine. Thank you. :oQuote:
Originally Posted by AlexiaKidd
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04-01-2011, 07:13 AMKilta_Firelotussorry so used to saying he. wow has zones/regions that are seemless. like the barrens going into orgrimar, or the blood elf starter area then moving to ghost lands. each is a seperate map/area. Same for LL and going out to the plains. If there is 1 map, but the map itself is across sever. I never seen it b4. when you zone you on an new area/region.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andra
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04-01-2011, 07:16 AMKilta_Firelotus
Maybe someone can make a vid so i can see whats going on. Im curious now.
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04-01-2011, 07:20 AMAlexiaKiddI will try and get one together for you to show what we mean ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus
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04-01-2011, 07:29 AMKilta_Firelotuskk ty.'m better with visuals. I like watching vids more so on my ps3 I can see alot of details that way. Plus my eyes are trained for graphic arts. liike dragon age buged me cuz of the blur halo around the characters. its like how could they miss that space.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexiaKidd
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04-01-2011, 07:30 AMGrimm
This would make the map uglier than it already is.
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04-01-2011, 11:41 AMAlexiaKiddHere you go Kilta, sorry about quality and editing lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus
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04-01-2011, 01:29 PMAndraNice! Also have you seen the guy on the end of the Vid? Koju Koju? His name was grey when you passed him, if i remember correctly, you can target him, but you can't do any emotes on him or other stuff, because a name in grey means, he's still on another server. Right the second you passed him, his name turned white, telling you, that you and Koju Koju are now on the same server / same area.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexiaKidd
And Yup, the change of the Mini Map here kinda tells you that you changed servers / areas. And it still takes some seconds before you really switched servers, but if you've a leve activated and there's no visible border on the map (which i don't want!) or no visible borders on the worldmap/minimap (which i would like to have), and you're fleeing from a mob, you maybe don't notice the change of the minimap, - if there's a change at all, since that only happens if you leave/enter city's or dungeons - and your leve will be aborted. =(