Drop Rate .. Suggestion

Hi there..,

I would like to suggest an idea..

for Example:

I did Ifrit 80+ times .. and only got 2 weapons and 6 totems which isnt fun :(

So my suggestion is .. why SE doesnt have counter which counts how many times u attended a certain fight/battle/dungeon .. and as the number increase .. it'll have to increase the drop rate

But not to the point that u'll get the drop in every fight/battle/dungeon ;) ... at least to a point which is "Reasonable" :cool:.

better than random ^^

increase drop rate % if u didn't receive a drop .. if there's item drop .. % will reset to default

there are multiple ways in others MMO that way better than the too much random of 1.0 .
There is the passive buff system when you kill a mob and don't get a loot ( they did this in WoW for quest items )
There is the special currency systeme that come from wow too , even if you don't get loot you get currency so you can buy same quality gears a little like GC seals.
There is the new thing they added for MoP , you have 10 items / week that you can use after you killed a boss , if you want a loot from this boss you use it and it will give you an extra loot so that everyone can at least get 10 loot / week

Yoshida has said 2.0 itemization will have more effort > reward rather than RNG > reward.

Cries over this have been long and frequent.

Hate to say it but outdated topic is outdated.

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Originally Posted by Avraym

Yoshida has said 2.0 itemization will have more effort > reward rather than RNG > reward.

Cries over this have been long and frequent.

Hate to say it but outdated topic is outdated.

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Agree. Don't expect any fixes in this version that require much effort, but still don't understand why they couldn't bother themselves to up % on drop rates at least a little, unless their master plan is to make the current players angry enough to not even bother with 2.0.

because it would be harder to do the endgame content so they can keep us playing =) ?

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Originally Posted by Hiruke

Agree. Don't expect any fixes in this version that require much effort, but still don't understand why they couldn't bother themselves to up % on drop rates at least a little, unless their master plan is to make the current players angry enough to not even bother with 2.0.

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Bahaha. Yes i agree they should have upped it a little what with relic taking up so much time and gil, its not like theres nothing to do.

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Originally Posted by Hiruke

Agree. Don't expect any fixes in this version that require much effort, but still don't understand why they couldn't bother themselves to up % on drop rates at least a little, unless their master plan is to make the current players angry enough to not even bother with 2.0.

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No one will leave at this point and skip 2.0 because drop rate in the current version are low.

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Originally Posted by Avraym

Yoshida has said 2.0 itemization will have more effort > reward rather than RNG > reward.

Cries over this have been long and frequent.

Hate to say it but outdated topic is outdated.

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I demand your sacerfice!

We never stop the pounding of the WAR drums!

... :D

On brighter news - where did you read that because that's awesome to hear. I'm on my 40th kill of ifrit 0 weapons 5 totems - but a few stacks of level 5 dark matter >.> lol

My suggestion would be not concerning the drop rate itself... more on the drop system for the primes.

It should be part of the booty, so you can pass on the item, if you do not need it.
so the chance is much higher that really the one gets the item, who needs it for his job.

what do you think?

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Originally Posted by Rak_Boy

it'll have to increase the drop rate

But not to the point that u'll get the drop in every fight/battle/dungeon ;) ... at least to a point which is "Reasonable" :cool:.

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i had almost the same idea.. starting for example with 5%-10% drop rate it should increase to maximum of 20% or whatever, when you killed him more than 20 times (just an example)

thats a question of balancing.

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Originally Posted by lololink

so that everyone can at least get 10 loot / week

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oh hell no.. it sounds like item inflation. horrible idea. and we know... in wow these items are worth only till the next patch /addon... then i prefer the way of FFXIV much more lol

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

My suggestion would be not concerning the drop rate itself... more on the drop system for the primes.

It should be part of the booty, so you can pass on the item, if you do not need it.
so the chance is much higher that really the one gets the item, who needs it for his job.

what do you think?




i had almost the same idea.. starting for example with 5%-10% drop rate it should increase to maximum of 20% or whatever, when you killed im more than 20 times

thats a question of balancing.

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Great so long as people cant turn them in for seals. I can imagine the drama over that.

Leeroy pass the sword over! I just watched you fight ifrit with his sword!
Uh.. no dude I need teh seals...
!%@!#!


AS to the growing loot % I think its a must go solution (there are other solutions of course, but one needs to be applied - I'd much rather know I've got 3 more kills before weapon rather then "who knows maybe never").

The trick is to create the median/mean amount of fights you want - and rather then using that as a % you then build a scenerio around that where each fail grows % till its impossible not to get the weapon. This would require making the initial % lower though - and probably an exponential growth curve that starts out slow.

Basically rather then 5% weapon drop (meaning 5 of 95 get it) with a vast range on how many fails till item, you want to reduce the range but keep a similar item drop.

I'm not sure if it would prolong content but it would for sure make it easy for devs to track the completion of content - since loot would be a better source of whats going on and what will probably continue to go on (less people will give up, or not be interested because its a for sure event).

Also people would no longer feel like they are wasting their time - at some point - it will happen and each time is going to make that point closer.

"100% drop rate for token", problem solved.

10 or 20 tokens for a weapon (40 for Garuda is far too much)

SE did have a better system for it:

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Trial_by_Fire

However people would be pissed if SE used things from FFXI (even though they have been.)

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

"100% drop rate for token", problem solved.

10 or 20 tokens for a weapon (40 for Garuda is far too much)

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I've always had mixed feelings about tokens - Id jump on this idea over the current system though.

(Mixed feelings because tokens dont feel very immersive to me - its like "obviously patch job solution token" - perhaps if he dropped "tokens" (not called token though) and they where a crafting material that you could then make a weapon with - that would seem to me like it belonged more)

Wish they could just make a smart loot system that doesn't give you a weapon you cant even hold onto. Had a friend with one weapon in his repair / bazaar thing and one in his inventory - third one dropped to him (all in our same runs against Ifrit). Seriously..?

Gtfo RNG

not more immersive than killing a boss 30 times in a row

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Originally Posted by lololink

not more immersive than killing a boss 30 times in a row

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I got owned.. :D!

Agreed lol

Would be nice to hear what SE feels is a solution to the current system.

The current system is to kill time b4 2.0 pretty much

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

"100% drop rate for token", problem solved.

10 or 20 tokens for a weapon (40 for Garuda is far too much)

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40 totems is only 20 runs its not that bad actually.

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Originally Posted by Malix

40 totems is only 20 runs its not that bad actually.

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Indeed.
I forgot that Garuda drops two tokens per win...mainly because I've never done the fight :p

You guys are crazy, I did ifrit like 9 times without more than 1 totem and 0 weapons and I STOPPED

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Originally Posted by Elexia

SE did have a better system for it:

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Trial_by_Fire

However people would be pissed if SE used things from FFXI (even though they have been.)

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I liked the system of fighting the summons in FF11 every day if you wanted to. I can't see them using this for any significant content they plan on bringing out though, since they probably don't want to hand out guaranteed loot everyday and then people get bored after a couple weeks.

Garuda was a step in the right direction with getting totems every fight and still having a chance to get an actual item drop.

I see some great ideas on top of mine ^^

keep it up

i've done it way more than that, you got it good!!

ITs not just the drop rates but also what drops there needs to be way more other stuff that drops.