Surplus Experience storage.. would it be possible (question for the reps)

Reason I bring it up, I've seen (as we all have I'm sure) the numerous comments from YoshiP about exploration, how maps will be 'blank' until you've explored them and how experience gain will be more related to content in quests and such, rather than mob or leve grinding. So, reason would have it, that as we explore the new Realm, that exp would be attained.

Here's my thing about this though. Unless they raise the cap right at launch, many, if not all of us, will want to jump on our sturdiest 50s and go exploring, as to avoid being killed as we explore - unless you decide to conciously switch into a lower level class/job prior to zoning, I suppose would work.

So my thought was and I kind of assume its been brought up before, but just incase, what about experience storage, exp that cannot be directly used..gets set aside, in a que, to be unlocked when either the cap raises and we choose to apply it, or when we switch out to a class/job that Can use the exp, we can then apply it.

I'm not suggesting this for normal mobs/leves and such, that'd become too easily abused. But rather, the exp gained from one-time only experiences.

Thoughts?

A secondary thought on that, would be NPCs, sort of like the achievement ones - say, a guard for the respective city/region, by the zone line with the blue exclaimation mark above their head, to signify... congrats, you made it, here's your neatly ribboned package for getting here alive. So that we could avoid the exp gain from exploration unless we conciously change to a class/job that it would matter on.

I'll amend this OP with a minor note:

This is only IF they include exp points with map exploration. While I meant this as both map exploration AND quests, the latter can be avoided until a point you want to actually fulfill the quest completion on a class/job of your choice, otherwise the results are your own doing and no fault of SE's.

However, if map exploration does grant an exp bonus for the fact you've discovered a new place, that isnt something that can be avoided, its going to happen the moment you cross from point a to point b.

And yes, I do hope a class or two will be available upon launch, I may just as well go ahead and switch to a new class before crossing a zone line for that very reason.

A respectful "no thanks" will suffice :D

I am still hoping there will be a new class or two that can get that experience.

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Originally Posted by Antanias

A respectful "no thanks" will suffice :D

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Why exactly, whats the downfall to this idea?

Um, I'd rather having the job in use for that exp you wanna gain and not just earn it from using a max lvl character, it doesn't seem right for using skills that don't help you with that job to further your progress with it.

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Originally Posted by Cynthis

I am still hoping there will be a new class or two that can get that experience.

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I think the whole idea of experience points is that it measures how you've actually played and grown used to a certain class. Shifting stored surplus exp from all your mastered classes to a new one, and BOOM, level 27 LOL NVR PLAYED DUN NO HOW.

No thanks. Just play the game.

Evidently I didn't dumb this down enough. Let me try again.

Map exploration - get exp for it - you explore on one of your already maxed out classes/jobs already, the exp is wasted. Its not about cheating the system, its about not being screwed over by the system by them not lifting the max level at launch, which I'd be willing to put money on they arent going to do. You know how much exp has gone to the gutter because my classes are maxed out, yet I want to still do quests and complete other objectives, how many hundreds of thousands of points are just vapor at this point? Thats what I'm wanting to avoid in the future.

It may not be your idea of what it means to play the game, but it is not in itself a bad idea. Would I want to use the exp to catapualt a new class to a few levels farther than starting from ground zero, absolutly. Is this going to make me incapable of learning about the class/job, absolutly not. If you have that problem, then thats a You problem, not everyone's problem.

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Originally Posted by Akujin

Evidently I didn't dumb this down enough. Let me try again.

Map exploration - get exp for it - you explore on one of your already maxed out classes/jobs already, the exp is wasted. Its not about cheating the system, its about not being screwed over by the system by them not lifting the max level at launch, which I'd be willing to put money on they arent going to do. You know how much exp has gone to the gutter because my classes are maxed out, yet I want to still do quests and complete other objectives, how many hundreds of thousands of points are just vapor at this point? Thats what I'm wanting to avoid in the future.

It may not be your idea of what it means to play the game, but it is not in itself a bad idea. Would I want to use the exp to catapualt a new class to a few levels farther than starting from ground zero, absolutly. Is this going to make me incapable of learning about the class/job, absolutly not. If you have that problem, then thats a You problem, not everyone's problem.

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But why should you earn EXP for exploration in the first place? There's already achievements/titles for this.

I always disliked the idea of getting experience when finding new places. If you go around exploring it should be for the sake/fun of it.

And the idea of storing surplus exp for use later is the complete opposite of what they would want to do, because by that logic you could grind the shit out of Natalan right now and go 1 - 50 in a class as soon as they release it. Which is really something they do not want.

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Originally Posted by Colino

But why should you earn EXP for exploration in the first place? There's already achievements/titles for this.
I always disliked the idea of getting experience when finding new places. If you go around exploring it should be for the sake/fun of it.

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You'll find these "get rewarded for exploring" mechanisms in other games. In Skies of Arcadia, you can report your discoveries in the world's vast skies to the guild in Sailor Island, and get money rewards depending on the rarity of the discovery (some are only observed in very specific conditions). In Xenoblade Chronicles, you get experience points for finding landmarks in addition to the discovery allowing you quick teleportation points.

These are honestly just incentives to go out and discover things, especially in odd places that may be tricky to reach. I think this is also coherent with the fact that your character would actually learn new things from visiting new places, and become a better, wiser person thanks to it. It's experience.

Experience points. Get it? Whodathunkit.

A full character wipe would solve that issue without any code changes. ;)

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Originally Posted by Inzoum

I think the whole idea of experience points is that it measures how you've actually played and grown used to a certain class. Shifting stored surplus exp from all your mastered classes to a new one, and BOOM, level 27 LOL NVR PLAYED DUN NO HOW.

No thanks. Just play the game.

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I was agreeing with you. I meant I hope there is a new class available that I can play as when doing this new content.

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Originally Posted by Inzoum

I think the whole idea of experience points is that it measures how you've actually played and grown used to a certain class. Shifting stored surplus exp from all your mastered classes to a new one, and BOOM, level 27 LOL NVR PLAYED DUN NO HOW.

No thanks. Just play the game.

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But...! WoW do it!!!1!1!!! ( the BAM level 27 part)

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Originally Posted by Cynthis

I was agreeing with you. I meant I hope there is a new class available that I can play as when doing this new content.

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There will be.

I think it would be fine for those one-time XP gains. I mean if these things are meant to level on and we don't get a new class(es) to level, it's almost like punishing you for exploring and doing things immediately if you already have all 50s.

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Originally Posted by rubina

A full character wipe would solve that issue without any code changes. ;)

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I actually wouldn't mind if they did a full character wipe so you'd have to level all your characters jobs from lvl 1, I mean it's gonna be a new game so why not? Just have us keep the gear/gil/items we have in our inventory and characters.

Hey new guys from 2.0 the old players have a even larger advantage over you than before suck it.

Surplus exp?

I was certain this was going to be a necropost...

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Originally Posted by Inzoum

Experience points. Get it? Whodathunkit.

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They used to be skill points in this game, but anywho. They're adding "explorable" maps for all the new areas, so that in and of itself should be incentive. I'm sure they'll add achievements related to it as well.

As I read it, even though we get our old inventory, the character experience data will not give old players an advantage over newbies... not exactly character wipe... but almost.

How about we can buy 1 elixier each 10k surplus exp?

Wow, I don't think Yoshi would like this idea. I mean, you are essentially PL'ing yourself. Haha

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

Wow, I don't think Yoshi would like this idea. I mean, you are essentially PL'ing yourself. Haha

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He's for powerleveling basically so I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he does like the idea.

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

Wow, I don't think Yoshi would like this idea. I mean, you are essentially PL'ing yourself. Haha

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If it's only used for a few things, like one-time XP gained from exploration/quests that are not repeatable in any way and we don't get new classes to use this XP on I feel like it would be reasonable. If we get new classes right off the bat in 2.0 then there's no need as everyone will have SOMETHING they can use the XP on. Otherwise all that XP is just going down the drain and will never be seen again.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

He's for powerleveling basically so I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he does like the idea.

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No, he's not for "powerleveling" per se, he's for friends helping each other out if the higher level one has the time and will to level his friend quicker so that they can enjoy content together.

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Originally Posted by Colino

No, he's not for "powerleveling" per se, he's for friends helping each other out if the higher level one has the time and will to level his friend quicker so that they can enjoy content together.

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Yeah this doesn't exactly meet that description.

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If it's only used for a few things, like one-time XP gained from exploration/quests that are not repeatable in any way and we don't get new classes to use this XP on I feel like it would be reasonable. If we get new classes right off the bat in 2.0 then there's no need as everyone will have SOMETHING they can use the XP on. Otherwise all that XP is just going down the drain and will never be seen again.

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If it's quest EXP you're concerned about just switch classes before you complete it. I'm sure there will be some new classes at launch for you to get EXP on. The vast majority of folks don't have all their 50s completed and won't before 2.0. I just don't think this is a big concern.

The exp you would get from hours of exploration would probably take 5 mins to be gained by grinding mobs. Lol

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Originally Posted by BruceyBruceyBangBang

The exp you would get from hours of exploration would probably take 5 mins to be gained by grinding mobs. Lol

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Exactly. I certainly didn't level up my character in any other game *cough* Fallout *cough* by exploring places. Nor did I gain any signification amount of exp for doing so.

I explored the map for the achievements and, more importantly, the ability to teleport back there.


On the topic of surplus experience, what I wouldn't mind is for every X amount of xp you gain a certain amount of points, akin to how guild marks worked, if you remember them. Points that could be spent on temporary buffs, fireworks, or whatever. Nothing major, just small little things that can be used because you earned so much exp after the cap.

Tell you what, I'm in favour of this if I get all my Surplus exp from 2010 and 11 back.

I like this idea, if it was just for 1 time missions and such only. At least you're actually doing the mission and earning the experience unlike current powerleveling. Because honestly, how many people are going to choose a lower level job to do the new missions when they have access to a 50? Some will sure, but most won't. Plus it's nice for the people that have no DoW/DoM left to do them at a lower level. Could at least put the exp in a more tedious class like DoH or DoL instead of all that exp going "poof".

Though mind you I wouldn't put this at a very high priority either. Polish the game in every other way first. This would just be kind of nice to have more than anything.

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Originally Posted by Aegis

Tell you what, I'm in favour of this if I get all my Surplus exp from 2010 and 11 back.

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I'd level whatever new class 1-50 on JUST the surplus I had from Eft parties from October/November 2010.

It's been said before they have no plans for surplus, its long gone dead game mechanic they took away.

Map exploration experience should be reward to new players. Not to players who already have all their jobs maxed out. For one thing the new players whom are just starting are taking a risk that capped players wouldn't. So it's much harder for them. Thus they are more deserving of the experience reward.

ARR isn't just for those who've been playing. It's also for players starting fresh.

Honestly though, I don't see how ARR could work at launch unless *everyone* playing was also "reborn" at level 1. They would have to loose everything but their achievements. ARR is the one time when people are likely open up to the game, or return to the game after trying it and hating it. You can't have two groups, one level 1 and one level 50 exploring the same open world together. It would be like if FFXIV allowed FFXI players to keep their jobs, levels, and whatever else for their FFXIV character.

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Originally Posted by Firon

It's been said before they have no plans for surplus, its long gone dead game mechanic they took away.

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You didnt actually read the original post, did you, just saw the words surplus, came in, made a reply and went back to trolling other threads, huh? Thanks for the contribution! *rolls eyes*

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Originally Posted by Laraul

Map exploration experience should be reward to new players. Not to players who already have all their jobs maxed out. For one thing the new players whom are just starting are taking a risk that capped players wouldn't. So it's much harder for them. Thus they are more deserving of the experience reward.

ARR isn't just for those who've been playing. It's also for players starting fresh.

Honestly though, I don't see how ARR could work at launch unless *everyone* playing was also "reborn" at level 1. They would have to loose everything but their achievements. ARR is the one time when people are likely open up to the game, or return to the game after trying it and hating it. You can't have two groups, one level 1 and one level 50 exploring the same open world together. It would be like if FFXIV allowed FFXI players to keep their jobs, levels, and whatever else for their FFXIV character.

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Everything about this post screams fruity "pessimism" !

Seems to me this post's being trolled! Looool (all I can do is laugh, don't bother disputing)

Though I would like to point out, It's FFXIV: "A Realm Reborn" not " A Adventurer Reborn". Learned english lately?