Hamlet Questions (full loot lists and effects of provisioning?)

I've done a bucket load of hamlets myself so I know a fair bit about what to do and where some of the items I want drop from. But there doesnt seem to be much easy to find information on provisioning and full drop lists from each area etc. So with that....

What does provisioning actually do? I know it gives you extra points and makes it easier to hit 60k but is that it?

Is there a difference between 1 2 3 4 5 - 20? Does it affect drops in any way?

Is it true that the accessories only drop with a top 3 or that number 1 = 100% drop rate?

Is it true that some stuff only drops if your 4-20 so if your top 3 you won't get it?

Is there a full list of possible loots from each location along with any pre-reqs to get them other than the standard 60k+. i.e tools / accessories.?

Most of the hamlet info I've seen is pretty much just tells you how to get 60k+ and other such info. I dont really have a problem getting the 60k+ just trying to understand the provisioning as some people would like the tools and accessories etc.

A lot of what I've heard is mostly grapevine so I don't know to much about how being a provisioner actually works as there's so many contradicting answers.

Thanks

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What does provisioning actually do? I know it gives you extra points and makes it easier to hit 60k but is that it?

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Having a provisioner in your party gives youa boost in points and allows for tradebale Crafting or Gathering drops to come from the NPC at the end to the provisioner. There is a chance that an untradeable Gathering hat may drop into the party loot.

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Is there a difference between 1 2 3 4 5 - 20? Does it affect drops in any way?

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If you are a Top 3 provisioner you get to have a chance that a seal comes from the NPC at the end of the battle. The same chance does not apply to the party. Otherwise there is no difference.

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Is it true that the accessories only drop with a top 3 or that number 1 = 100% drop rate?

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Is it true that some stuff only drops if your 4-20 so if your top 3 you won't get it?

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No.

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Is there a full list of possible loots from each location along with any pre-reqs to get them other than the standard 60k+. i.e tools / accessories.?

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Not sure if their is. If there is I don't know where it is.

cool thankies. still trying to find a full loot list though

Actually if you are a top 3 yo will not get regular drops from the NPC only currency or a seal.
So if you want militia tools or bracelets you do not want to be top 3.

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Originally Posted by Junpei

Actually if you are a top 3 yo will not get regular drops from the NPC only currency or a seal.
So if you want militia tools or bracelets you do not want to be top 3.

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This is false.

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Originally Posted by Crimzon

This is false.

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Even if it wasn't false, an item could still drop for you from the chest.

EDIT: But I can confirm it is most definitely false lol

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Originally Posted by Lux_Rayna

Even if it wasn't false, an item could still drop for you from the chest.

EDIT: But I can confirm it is most definitely false lol

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no Bracelets and Wristlets CANNOT drop to you from the chest. they are provisioner drops only

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Originally Posted by Junpei

Actually if you are a top 3 yo will not get regular drops from the NPC only currency or a seal.
So if you want militia tools or bracelets you do not want to be top 3.

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Yep, Crimzon just said it... this is entirely false; and I have screenies to prove it. The drop rate on seals now is beyond logical comprehension.

Matter of fact, (and this info is for the OP)...when I have a moment, I will look on my external hard drive for pics where 1st and 3rd provisioner were in party (heck, there were times when even three of the top 10 were in PT)... and we didn't get nada but armet four times in a row...(surprise surprise)

Due to my usual log in times at wee hours of the night, I also do Hamlet with several of my Japanese friends, so you must keep in mind that this ridiculous drop rate is a "global" thing. For now, to buttress my point here's one of the screenshots, showing #3 provisioner in PT...

http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/...oveHamlet7.png

And a pic of our average score (usually between 68k to 69k)...

http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/...oveHamlet8.png

The result? An avalanche of nothing but armet and perhaps a pair of duckbills here or there. Matter of fact, this re-occurance of having top provisioners within excellent runs but hardly ANY seals actually seems to have become much worse in the past few weeks... which is also why I have personally given up trying to attempt relics until 2.0.


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Yeah... just found a few more of my screenshots with #1 Provisioner in PT. Also currently looking for the ones I had with four top 10 provisioners in PT and the drops were still crap, with no seal... might do that after I finish dinner.

See, I started taking a vast amount of these pics because after you do your billionth run and you start noticing the insane drop rates, you get so irritated it becomes comical. Hence why some friends began joking that it would be unbelievable if one just TOLD people. Afterall, pics or it didn't happen, yes?

Here's one shows that we had #1 provisioner, including the 9th and 10th in PT...

http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/...oveHamlet3.png

Here was our average points per run...

http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/...oveHamlet5.png

And here was our average drop...

http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/...oveHamlet4.png

Again, I must emphasize... these kind of drops were not isolated results whereby it happened once in a rare while or some random rubbish. Nah... these were regular drops three, four, sometimes five times in a row. In a few cases, the system seems to feel a measure of pity for you and drops one seal within a few runs.

Now, can you begin to imagine how frustrated many players feel after going through all the stress of spending funds and crafting resources just to get on that Provisioner list? And then getting no seal?

*Shrugs*... like I said, personally I'm kinda done chasing relics. Couple more armour drops from Hamlets and I'm done with that event altogether.

Here is an image I made for my LS

http://i49.tinypic.com/3v9rm.png

The first box is correct, but I am not 100% sure about the drops for the off hand tools and accessories. I don't know if they are set to only one location per item as I have only provisioned once or twice and gotten 2 items for it. Someone told me that the off hand tools drop from the hamlet in the contry of that craft/gather classes guild. And the 2 wrists can ceom from all of them.

As for the main lot of items, there are no triggering factors apart from getting more than 50k and 60K scores (60K has better drop rate). And the ordinary head drop 100%

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Originally Posted by Shosasosa

no Bracelets and Wristlets CANNOT drop to you from the chest. they are provisioner drops only

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Oh well I wasn't talking about those lol...was talking about regular items.

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Originally Posted by Ramesses

Yep, Crimzon just said it... this is entirely false; and I have screenies to prove it. The drop rate on seals now is beyond logical comprehension.

Matter of fact, (and info is for the OP)...when I have a moment, I will look on my external hard drive for pics where 1st and 3rd provisioner were in party (heck, there were times when even three of the top 10 were in PT)... and we didn't get nada but armet four times in a row...(surprise surprise)

Due to my usual log in times at wee hours of the night, I also do Hamlet with several of my Japanese friends, so you must keep in mind that this ridiculous drop rate is a "global" thing. For now, to buttress my point here's one of the screenshots, showing #3 provisioner in PT...

http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/...oveHamlet7.png

And a pic of our average score (usually between 68k to 69k)...

http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/...oveHamlet8.png

The result? An avalanche of nothing but armet and perhaps a pair of duckbills here or there. Matter of fact, this re-occurance of having top provisioners within excellent runs but hardly ANY seals actually seems to have become much worse in the past few weeks... which is also why I have personally given up trying to attempt relics until 2.0.

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YES! you know, I think this is actually a bug and should be reported. I've gotten many 67k + runs in a row where nothing dropped but the default hat. And then I do another run of 50k-64k runs and get tons of seals.

3 out of the 4 gathering hats that i have seen dropped were dropped on 50k runs. people have said that 70k runs do not drop the 100% hat so they might have a separate loot pool

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

YES! you know, I think this is actually a bug and should be reported. I've gotten many 67k + runs in a row where nothing dropped but the default hat. And then I do another run of 50k-64k runs and get tons of seals.

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Nod nod... I've had that a couple times as well whereby we get 50k+ (sometimes because someone DC-ed), with no provisioner in PT and a seal would drop. We'd all be like... "Huh?!!!"

Dunno anymore... like I said, in my personal experience Hamlet drop rates now defies all logical comprehension and reasoning. I'm done trying to figure it out.

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

Having a provisioner in your party gives youa boost in points and allows for tradebale Crafting or Gathering drops to come from the NPC at the end to the provisioner. There is a chance that an untradeable Gathering hat may drop into the party loot.

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Originally Posted by Shosasosa

3 out of the 4 gathering hats that i have seen dropped were dropped on 50k runs. people have said that 70k runs do not drop the 100% hat so they might have a separate loot pool

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Does this mean, hats will only drop when a provisioner is present? We have done so far 150-170 hamlets, and maybe half of them when not more, with provisioner, always over the 60k mark with ot without prov. Not a single gathering hat has been seen yet. Any particular condition to make it drop?

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Originally Posted by Magnesium02

Here is an image I made for my LS

http://i49.tinypic.com/3v9rm.png

The first box is correct, but I am not 100% sure about the drops for the off hand tools and accessories. I don't know if they are set to only one location per item as I have only provisioned once or twice and gotten 2 items for it. Someone told me that the off hand tools drop from the hamlet in the contry of that craft/gather classes guild. And the 2 wrists can ceom from all of them.

As for the main lot of items, there are no triggering factors apart from getting more than 50k and 60K scores (60K has better drop rate). And the ordinary head drop 100%

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You can get all the militia tools/wrists from any of the hamlets being top 20

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Originally Posted by Eliseus

You can get all the militia tools/wrists from any of the hamlets being top 20

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wristlets and bracelets yes. everything else is hamlet specific:
hyrstmill: sledgehammer/culinary knife/mortar
golden bazaar: scythe/spinningwheel/grindingwheel/awl
aleport: gig/file/pliers/claw hammer

Does anyone know if it's still possible to get a seal from Top 3 is the Hamlet is in Grade 1? Not enough people handed in but I made it to the #2 spot. :/

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Originally Posted by UmJammerSully

Does anyone know if it's still possible to get a seal from Top 3 is the Hamlet is in Grade 1? Not enough people handed in but I made it to the #2 spot. :/

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yes. it is.

Seal and hat also dropped on 40k. At least happened twice on my watch. Gonna screencaps next time if I got this again.

I've seen an Inferno Seal drop with 57k points and 6th provisioner this very week.

some good info in here still a couple of contradictions regarding tools / accessories
do they drop no matter where in the top 20 your provisioner is?

Tools/Accessories do not drop to anyone in the party from the chest. They are only awarded to the provisioner themselves if they are in the top 20 from the NPC.