Character Action Skins

They'll be showing this system off in Berlin, but that is a good while away.
So, skies the limit on what the system will let us do.
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With White Mage being the Job I'll take through Evercold MSQ.
I'm only going to focus on it, but this thread is to share hopes for the system.
So, comment what animations and effects for your favorite jobs you'd want to see your WoL doing.

As a disclaimer, I'll bring up Evolved/8.0 WHM and for my own fun I'll be overly dramatic about it.

Well after seeing the build they showed at Fanfest. My hopes for the DPS kit are below zero.
A fitting temperature for the coming expansion.

So, I'm banking on this system to at least let me be able to choose the Conjurer elements I fire off.
I wasn't anti light before but pro conjurer elements.
Now with the possible loss of Assize the final attack I could use at level cap not light based.
I'm now anti light when it comes to attacks on WHM.
That will be reflected in my hopes for the Action Skins.
I want to replace Glare and high Glare with two Aero spell effects.
Holy I use to be fine with. I now want to replace its spell effect with Aero 3's.
And the new Holy Sanctuary while it looks nice. What if it was wind based?
I'm thinking of a mini tornado with healing winds to wrap around the party.
Seeing as the skill in the Fanfest Demo showed the attack had a bonus healing effect.

Of course I'm just replacing light with wind. Well, I'd hope that earth and water would also be available as options for the offensive magic. As elements got taken away back in Shadow bringers.
Aero 3 hit me hardest while Assize has been the last bastion from becoming just Glare Mage.
I can give up on water easily. Earth not as easily but I can. However, I can't give up on wind magic.
I hope Eternal Wind doesn't become a song of lies in the next expansion.
It's my favorite FF song after all... Well not really.
The price of Freedom is, but Eternal Wind is my 2nd.

Plus, it's kind of dumb how Red Mage has more elemental diversity in their White magic than an actual White Mage does after Shadowbringers.

This is extra and nothing to do with the Action reskin system.
Please change LB3 to the one Y'shtola uses.
Preying to a placeholder LB1/2 weapon has always been so underwhelming.
The fact it stayed after the LB3 update in the same expansion as Y'shtola's LB...
Well at least Y'shtola only ever used that LB once in a solo duty in Heavensward.
Imagine if it had got a full on cutscene in the next expansion.
That would really make praying to a place holder staff disappointing.

Overly dramatic part over. To sum up everything nice and simply.
I hope Wind, Earth and Water can be elemental reskins for offensive magic.
I'd like to do more than just glare at things until they die when I'm doing the MSQ.

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Originally Posted by TKMXIV

They'll be showing this system off in Berlin, but that is a good while away.
So, skies the limit on what the system will let us do.

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Skies the limit on how much they will milk players for these action skins.
Why do you even remotely assume that it will be free?
Maybe they'll give some very basic reskins for free obtainable in a limited time just as a tease, but that's about it.

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Originally Posted by Alicie

Skies the limit on how much they will milk players for these action skins.
Why do you even remotely assume that it will be free?
Maybe they'll give some very basic reskins for free obtainable in a limited time just as a tease, but that's about it.

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I'm not assuming but hoping.

I think for character action skins, they will experiment small at first like with dragoon example. But I think they also been quietly paying attention to what some more creative folks have done, is basically retool entire jobs to present a different sort of fantasy. What if you wanted a specific kind of thing that is not currently present as something you want to play, but you could have this reskin bundle instead. Different animations, new particles and models, but its still what you already played anyway?

Considering the announcement image used Ring of Thorns, I'm guessing early on it's just bringing back removed/replaced attacks.

But it would be nice to have options like changing the element on WHM/BLM spells.

I'm expecting the first rounds to mostly be removed actions given that Yoshida first talked about the idea of bringing back DRG's pole dancing (I can't remember the name of the skill) as an emote or alternate animation in 3.5. If Plunge comes back early on, I'll be happy.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

I'm expecting the first rounds to mostly be removed actions given that Yoshida first talked about the idea of bringing back DRG's pole dancing (I can't remember the name of the skill) as an emote or alternate animation in 3.5. If Plunge comes back early on, I'll be happy.

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I'm assuming (hoping?) at least some of it will be obvious stuff like this. "Yeah OK Shadowstride is kinda...not Plunge. You can have Plunge back if you like it better." Or things like, "Stone through Glare III has a LOT of animations for the same button, would you like to use one of the older ones instead?" If either of these are the case the very first thing I do if I can is using Plunge and Bloodweapon instead of Delirium. I like Delirium. Bloodweapon is WAY BETTER.

Cant wait to change the god awful DRK run animation. It's finally happening.

If it means old classes will finally get better or less boring 1 2 3 rotation animations, that'd be great. Paladin for instance feels very drab compared to something with high production animations like Viper.

Also I hope they add different weapon stances and movement (as mentioned above regarding DRK) I don't like MCH run animation where the gun holding arm is frozen in place.

I do not know if it would be a thing but if we could change our character run and also certain stances for each race.

I do mind my hyur run as much now as got used to it but if I was given the choice then I would swap.

I also like my hyur idle poses way more than my miqo'te and think that would be nice. I do think they will add a few for free but then the rest will be a cash grab.

I just want to turn off MCH's Heated animations. They're so goofy. Let me have the regular animations back.

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Originally Posted by Miradelle

Cant wait to change the god awful DRK run animation. It's finally happening.

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I wouldn't bet on it. To me, it sounded like we'd be able to choose different animations for some (evolved) skills.
I'm not sure if we'll get different options for standard animations as well.
And I fear the offers for action skins will also expand to hard and paid content – ​​which will certainly generate a lot of discussion.

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Originally Posted by Alicie

Skies the limit on how much they will milk players for these action skins.
Why do you even remotely assume that it will be free?
Maybe they'll give some very basic reskins for free obtainable in a limited time just as a tease, but that's about it.

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They've already said that skins will also be content rewards.

One thing many people noticed in the evolved job demo was the lack of AoE combos- instead it appeared the regular combo will also cleave. But the AoE attacks have unique animations, so I think one avenue for action skins will be to let us glam those animations on the standard attacks

I would be more excited if this game didn't have an online shop.

But please continue to boo at f2p game and clap when Yoshi P says this game will never be that, because they're soooo different.

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Originally Posted by Sekundessounet

They've already said that skins will also be content rewards.

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Do you believe that?
Do you really believe that they will design a whole new system for it just to be content reward?
Content reward will be a little small "Demo version" while real stuff will be on mog station.

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Originally Posted by Alicie

Do you believe that?
Do you really believe that they will design a whole new system for it just to be content reward?
Content reward will be a little small "Demo version" while real stuff will be on mog station.

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Part of it will be content, part of it will be Mog Station, like it is for other features nowadays. If anything, I expect the game to allow us to glamour previous animations when a skill is upgraded.

If I had to guess, PLD WAR and DRK will be getting their enmity animations back. WAR and DRK might be getting their Rampart equivalents back.

At lease I really hope we get Scourge and Power slash back

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Originally Posted by FuturePastNow

One thing many people noticed in the evolved job demo was the lack of AoE combos- instead it appeared the regular combo will also cleave. But the AoE attacks have unique animations, so I think one avenue for action skins will be to let us glam those animations on the standard attacks

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Very likely. I'm not real fond of that change (sometimes I want to only single target something in a pack), but given that...I'd be very sad to lose Unleash, that's an awesome animation.

Seeing as this has come up a bit.

Will the Mogstation team make character action skins? Obviously! They make emotes, mounts, glamours and more after all.
So of course they will. If the system manages to be successful enough to not get scrapped that is.

As for me well.
I didn't type it because I was focused on White Mage, but my other hope is to be able to change or remove the Enshroud glams.
When the Reaper Enshroud cut off my at the time Viera's ears. I ditched the race and used the job far less.
Same with Scholar. They gave it that ugly out of place Seraphism glam with all the same downsides as Reaper's Enshroud.

Ultimately this system has the possibility of fixing at least those kinds of cosmetic issues. That is something I find worth hoping for. With tempered expectations of course.

I'm very much looking forward to this feature. I'm not a fan of the goofy anime direction a lot of the actions have taken in recent years. DRG for example used to have animations that felt very powerful and had a weight to them, now they're all very floaty and lack impact. Also, making MCH do less unnecessary somersaults will be great.

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Originally Posted by Alicie

Skies the limit on how much they will milk players for these action skins.
Why do you even remotely assume that it will be free?
Maybe they'll give some very basic reskins for free obtainable in a limited time just as a tease, but that's about it.

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I think it's most likely that at least most of them will be free. I think a lot of them are going to be for old abilities that have been removed, like Kaitan, for instance, or making that new big attack shown in evolved mode look like the blood Lilly. This would be something pretty difficult to be paid imo, considering the number of jobs there are. It's possible that they'll make some paid ones down the line but if so, I think it will be like emotes where there's some paid, but still mostly free.

Making all of them, in a major feature they showed at fanfest and hyped up, for a $20 game plus $40 expansion while charging $13-15 a month for a subscription would be by far the dumbest thing the devs ever do, especially at a time when the game is under increased scrutiny. I'd probably quit right then and there if they did such a thing, but I don't think there's a chance they will. Personally, I'm not worried.

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Originally Posted by Moqi

I would be more excited if this game didn't have an online shop.

But please continue to boo at f2p game and clap when Yoshi P says this game will never be that, because they're soooo different.

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Honestly, same, I can absolutely see why people are worried, the cash shop is getting ridiculous with the prices items are at, and the sheer amount of them, especially at a time when the economy is suffering. Honestly I'm opposed to microtransactions on princible in a game like this, but if you're going to have them, the prices should be 1/3 of what they are! It's just greedy. But that's a topic for another thread I suppose.

If they make the skins time locked FOMO slop though? That's the worst, the FOMO in this game is already at about the max I can tolerate and that's the thing I'm most worried about with next expansion. Unfortunately things come up in life that prevent many people from playing and obtaining these items, and I hate missing out.

I hope we have a lot of control over which actions we get to skin. I'm actually not super enthused about the idea of BRD getting a 3 part combo as its filler so I hope to be able to skin the Burst Shot animation back on to the first 2 hits, and Refulgent Arrow on the 3rd hit. Also let me use the Low Blow animation on the new consolidated Interject button.

So long as all old actions are ingame i dont care what they make for the store, not that they should but alas. I would switch to Stone spells on WHM over Glare in an instant or Gravity 1 for AST

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Originally Posted by SKAshe

Honestly, same, I can absolutely see why people are worried, the cash shop is getting ridiculous with the prices items are at, and the sheer amount of them, especially at a time when the economy is suffering. Honestly I'm opposed to microtransactions on princible in a game like this, but if you're going to have them, the prices should be 1/3 of what they are! It's just greedy. But that's a topic for another thread I suppose.

If they make the skins time locked FOMO slop though? That's the worst, the FOMO in this game is already at about the max I can tolerate and that's the thing I'm most worried about with next expansion. Unfortunately things come up in life that prevent many people from playing and obtaining these items, and I hate missing out.

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I agree online shop items are overpriced, but let's not forget that this is kind of an industry-wide problem. It sucks, but it's aligned with competition.

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Originally Posted by Sekundessounet

I agree online shop items are overpriced, but let's not forget that this is kind of an industry-wide problem. It sucks, but it's aligned with competition.

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Doesn't mean we should accept it. In fact, the fact that it's an industry-wide problems just means we should all fight harder in every game that has it IMO. Hopefully it's not a problem here with Action Skins, I don't think it will be much of one but I do support people voicing their concerns for sure, since the devs do seem to be paying closer attention to the forums now, thankfully.

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Originally Posted by SKAshe

Doesn't mean we should accept it. In fact, the fact that it's an industry-wide problems just means we should all fight harder in every game that has it IMO. Hopefully it's not a problem here with Action Skins, I don't think it will be much of one but I do support people voicing their concerns for sure, since the devs do seem to be paying closer attention to the forums now, thankfully.

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The war was lost when companies started getting away with cash shops and other paid cosmetics in the mid-2000s. This is the reality that consumers worldwide chose and still actively support.

Personally, I’m looking forward to the system. My own biggest hope is that they use this to bring back animations that were removed over the years, in particular the tank enmity combos. I really loved DRK’s (although I also love their dps one), and I liked WAR’s enmity combo way more than their dps one. I kinda forget what PLD’s was but anyway, I just miss the old animations so getting to have those back is great to me.