Playable Lupin - Please, I beg!

Hello to everyone!

I am coming to the forums to officially make my plea to Square about bringing in Lupin as a playable race. While I know it's been stated that they are done with adding races, they did leave a door open for us to give feedback in a possible change in the future. I personally have been wanting this for years, ever since I saw them in Stormblood. Perhaps I am coming forward with this a bit too late but I can no longer sit idle on this topic.

Just for Starters:

https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Lupin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOV6vXZyzfc

1. They are a race introduced in Stormblood that were present in multiple zones, primarily in Kugane.
2. There were no Beast Tribe/Allied Society (sorry, I'll always call them Beast Tribe quests) with them.
3. There were a couple very noteworthy Lupin; The Wolf Burglar from the Manderville quest chain and Hakuro Gunji (Whitefang,) the former Centurion under the Garleans who is fiercy loyal to Hien and Doma.
https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Hakuro_Gunji

4. After the liberation of Doma and Zenos' defeat, we heard absolutely nothing from the Lupin.
5. They were, at one point, in the running to become playable but ultimately lost out to the Hrothgar. They actually have been in concepts for longer than that, if what research I've seen has served correctly. We're talking during the brainstorming state of Au Ra according to this post: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/514581

https://imgur.com/E0iiiaU

6. It would be nice to have a race that has canine features. A second beastial race would be preferable to add more diversity to the mix. I know I could put on werewolf ears on any race and BAM! I have a lupin but it's really not... They are unique enough where they could take on being a new race.
7. There is a lot of love for Wolves in general! While I am not sure if it's true, I have seen the rumor that Yoshi P loves them, especially Torgal!

Pros

• A Second Option for a Beast Race
• More Diversity
• Making a past race relevant again
• Already in the game and not a brand new concept
• Rigging is already completed and all armor will already adjust to model
• Generate more revenue via fantasias and future releases
• Perfect opportunity to expand on lore as a whole and explore origins of this race

Cons

• Requires a rework/update of the model to meet graphical standards
• New Customization must be made to give players the awesome experience of creating a new character. This time, a lupin!
• Will fall into the same pit as Hrothgar and Viera when it comes to headgear and hairstyles.
• Some people may complain about another beast race... You can't win them all.
• Will need to make a female counterpart

Female Lupin

Honestly, following suit of how female Hrothgar were created, the same could be done for female Lupin. Femhroths actually use the rigging and postures of a female Roe while Male Hroths use male Roe rigs. Male Lupin use the rigging of male Au Ra. So with that, female lupin can follow suit however I would not use the same rigging as a female Au Ra. Due to the in lore size of Lupin, I would simply reuse the rigging of the female Roe.

When it comes to the head of Lupin, both male and female would need their adjustments but they are not too far off from one another. The only significant way that can you'll be able to tell a female Lupin from a male lupin (other than the body itself) is due to the fact that females have a slightly slimmer snout and you could make the eyes more feminine.

Hairstyles

Lupin are known not to have haistyles currently. Now, this could change but what I believe should be done is have no hair as a base for both female and male Lupin but still have the option to have hairstyles if they want them. I am honestly perfectly fine with having just a wolf's head and no flowing hair for my female Lupin but I know many people would still want hairstyles.

Customization Categories

• The Two Clans: Following the Hrothgar, one could have fur colors of different browns and what not while the other is more of a greyscale.
• Height
• Bust
• Tail Length
• Tail Shape
• Hairstyle
• Fur Color - Like Hroth, this dictates the fluffy over coat and the hairstyle color.
• Skin Color - Again, like hrothgar, this would be considered the under fur, as I call it.
• Jaw
• Eye Shape
• Iris Size
• Eye Color
• Eye Brows
• Nose
• Fangs
• Other Features - Such as things like eye brow markings, etc, stuff you would see on a wolf. Could give them Torgal-like markings!
• Tattoos
• Tattoo Color
• Face Paint
• Face Paint Color
• Voice

They did add a werewolf set, which is based on Lupin.

No, we don't need another furry race. Give us something normal.

As much as Lupin would be cool I'd rather them use the resources to expand on the current character creator.

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Originally Posted by MayuAmakura

No, we don't need another furry race. Give us something normal.

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Yes, we need another furry race. Give us something exotic.

I would love playable Lupin but unfortunately there is zero chance of that ever happening since their very unique heads would prohibit them from ever wearing any head gear and probably any hairstyles. I highly doubt the devs would ever want to go through that firestorm again.

If we ever get a new race I do agree it should be something distinctly non-human though, which they could absolutely make work with hats/hairstyles if they're creating it from scratch after sorting that issue with Hrothgar.

Sorry but the last thing we need is another unfinished race played by 1% of the playerbase. I'd rather just just invest their time into the existing race's customization options.

Think about it like this.

This race already exists. Animations are done, including mouth movements. As I said in the thread, they would need to have their heads updated but to be honest, they don't really need hairstyles. They don't have them now so hairstyles could come later since they need to update the head and facial features.

If they were to add any race, they would have to do the exact same things. While I agree that the original races could use more customization, Lupin have been in the talks for years now. In truth, I think they didn't go through with adding them because of the challenge of making a female version since Hrothgar gave a very strong indication of the desire to want males and females. Plus we got two different cat races. I say it's time we got a canine. It does take a while to restructure a head and add everything else to it but, just as I said, every new race needs it, not just lupin.

As far as hairstyles and headgear goes, I'm fine with not having it personally. It will stick true to the original Lupin we currently have in the game. It's a later down the line issue where they can go the same route as viera and hrothgar.

Lore wise, they are already established and have existed for over 2000 years. Where we go next in our adventures could take us to where they first originated. It's not like a race that's being plucked from a different Final Fantasy universe. This race came from FFXIV and it's original. After we liberated Doma, we heard nothing about the Lupin... Storywise they could fit in so easily. :( Just some food for thought.

They already said they were not going to add anymore new races to the game. Do you honeslty want another race in the same state that Veria and Hrothgar are still in to this day?

To this day I'm still a bit baffled that they gave us a second cat race before playable Lupin (just like I'm baffled that they chose to make male Hrothgar hunched and chunky and with only one face allowed to have a Ronso horn but that's neither here nor there).

At this point... as much as I would like to have Lupin, I don't trust SE not to mess them up like they did with Viera and Hrothgar. If they fix the aforementioned races and make finally everything compatible with them, and manage to release Lupin in a similarly completed state then sure, I'd love to have them. But I expect KH4 to be out before that happens.

They also said they were open to feedback on the topic when it comes to races, numerous times even. And yes, I as I have said before, I am 100% okay with not having headgear and hairstyles. The current lupin do not so this would stick true to how Lupin are. Now I know other people will want hairstyles and what not and that's fine. Though I think they don't -need- them.

They can think about adding new races when they finish implementing Viera and Hrothgar, which given their work flow, might take another 7+ years.

Even then I could only see Lupin working if they overhauled the race to give it access to hairstyles and head gear, the same way Blizzard had to redo various parts of the Worgen to make them work once they got promoted from enemy mob to playable race.

Let me pop a costume that turns my character into beast races when in towns, like Lupins and Goblins. The tech exists, as shown during the yearly Halloween events.

I remember XI had items like belts with charges that could dispense these costume effects. Do it here, too.

Since you guys keep posting the dog thing, I'll keep posting my wish to be a plant.

https://i.pinimg.com/1200x/47/ca/ce/...cff0d06818.jpg

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Originally Posted by MayuAmakura

Give us something normal.

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As in?

Anyway big support for Lupin from me.

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Originally Posted by MayuAmakura

No, we don't need another furry race. Give us something normal.

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On a serious note, I have no idea what people consider to be "normal"... I have no idea why this post has so many likes.
Are humans "normal"? We already have those (Hyur).
Elezens and Roegadyn could somewhat be considered "normal", Elezens are a variation on the Elf trope and Roegadyn on the Orc trope.
Maybe Lalafell as well, they are a variation on Gnomes/Dwarves.
Every other race is fairly exotic.
What is normal is based on subjectiveness.

Someone who liked this post, please give me insight on what you deem to be "normal".

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Originally Posted by LanceSummers

On a serious note, I have no idea what people consider to be "normal"...

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Why do you want to be normal? I'd rather be a weird plant person in Final Fantasy, and feel no shame about it.

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Originally Posted by MayuAmakura

No, we don't need another furry race. Give us something normal.

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Something normal meaning? Another shade of human? Man normal sounds so much fun.

+1 to the OP, hope you get your Lupin eventually.
But the way they are could pose a risk, they were build to work with a few pieces of gear (the ones we see them in during SB), but hats and hairstyles were not accounted for. And from what we have learned from Hrothgar and Viera, the community doesn't like it. Period.

What I would suggest, is a "cousin" of the Lupin being introduced, same body-wise, but the head slightly differing, like that of a Husky mixed with a human. A bit more rounder and with normal hairstyles.
I would also try not to copy Hrothgar too much, since it would defeat the idea of adding more options. Instead of going the Roe-like route, I would look more akin to Elezen. Tall, svelte and proud, like wolves are.

Also the community will not be ok with another limited race, and frankly they shouldn't be. They should either take their time adding a good full race or not at all. It was not fair when male Hrothgar had to buy Fantasias just to change their Hairstyles, nor was it a fun experience when you got cool head gear that you could not equip. Frankly, we deserve better than that.

Again, I will support more customisation always! So hope you will eventually get your wolf boys and girls!

What Square could do in lieu of the lack of hairstyles is do ear edits, starting out at least. Allow the player to choose the size and shape of the ears in its own field of customization, kind of like how you can with worgen in Warcraft.

As far as head pieces, personally, I am fine with not having them but I know others will want them. It'd definitely have to take on the viera/hroth treatment with headgear getting added as they go. Though think about it like this. As this would be a second beast race, wouldn't any other beast race have to undergo the same thing anyways? For races like Miqo/Au Ra it's much easier but a second beast race adds more to the mix despite having a lack of hairstyles and head pieces to begin with.

Lupin males are already fully animated. All they'd really need is a definite skin upgrade and add more of the customization side of things but the model rigging and is all done but I do love the idea of taking on Elezen stances as opposed to fem Roes for females. I completely agree it was not fair for people needing to buy fantasias to change hairstyles. That should have never happened to begin with. They should have been separate from the get-go and I know that sullies the outlook on another race that would fall into the no hats/hairstyles club. It would have to be an over time thing but as I said, any beast race would have this problem to my knowledge.

While I do wish to see more 'less human-y' races, there's also this (sorry I can't resist this meme lol):
https://i.postimg.cc/gjywKzTw/lupin-meme.png

They would first have to not half-a$$ what they did with Hrothgar/Viera, then maybe people would have more faith in them lol.

Honestly, I'd love a Lupin race. In fact, Im shocked they werent chosen over Hrothgar to begin with. That said, I'd also be keen on edits to old races that could allow for more customizeability.

I doubt it will happen, but to appease the fans, they could speed development of potential new races (be it lupin or others) by reusing existing body and head skeletons. I'm not a developer, but I understand that a massive amount of work would still need to occur if they did do this, because they'd still need unique face movements, unique starter sets, etc. I would actually be okay if they just reused animations from other races too for movement, etc. I'm always down for more variety of races, character customization, etc.

I still have the stance that Lalafell only exist as nicely built as they do because they're a 1.0 race and would've been just as sharply limited as Hrothgar if they came out now.

I also want a new, un-human race. I think though I just want a new race that isn't just "tall person with fantasy parts attached" if they add more races.

Lupin have a bunch of work done by just using Hyur bodies with unique heads and the tails. But I think we'd need at least 6 heads to tweak to start, and most hair styles wouldn't work on the Lupin we've seen.

But alternatively just giving Hrothgar a few head and tail types with canid features would work, too? Shoot, giving Miqo'te ear styles (suns are supposed to have shorter ears in official lore, but models don't reflect this) and more tails, like fox or wolf tails, also open up way more options within the races we already have.