Updating my DRG Help

Hey, so DRG was my first 50 and I kind of left it untouched after I got it pieced together. I'm going back and retooling it a bit now and looking for suggestions, below is my current gear:

Ifrit's Harpoon
Paragon's Crown
Tortoiseshell Body (+41 PIE)
Cobalt Mitts (+35 STR)
AF Legs
AF Feet
Flame Sergeant's Belt
Explorer's Earring
Explorer's Choker
Rubellite Bracelet +1
Rubellite Ring +1
Tourmaline Ring +1

Main problem is this setup puts my PIE over cap (320 w/o food) and leaves my STR at 346 (w/o food, so easy to cap when adding STR food). Now, in looking at stuff, I am wondering if this would be a good "upgrade"

Flame Sergeant's Spear (+35 Pie w/ Sanction)
Paragon's Crown
Flame Sergeants Tabard/Other Crit Melded Body
Cobalt Mitt Gauntlets (+35 STR)
AF legs
Flame Sergeant's Jackboots (+10 PIE with bonus)
Flame Sergeant's Belt
Explorer's Earring
Explorer's Choker
Rubellite Bracelet +1
Rubellite Ring +1
Rubellite Ring +1/Electrum Ring +1

Now, is the upgrade to flame sergeant's spear w/ sanction good enough til i can get my hands on garuda's spine, or am I just gimping myself by not going for the lieut's spear?

I feel that being able to put something other than PIE on the body is a big bonus.


I am working on DL gear but so far no luck on drops.

Suggestions welcome,

Thanks.

If you don't have the seals, stick to Ifrit's, ~330/290 stat caps, pump attack power instead.

If you have the spare seals, get the lieutenant's, ~338/300 stat caps.
I'd want to see parse results, but on paper I'm pretty sure the Flame Lt. is the best spear in the game next to Gae Bolg, because of the high base attack and Attack Power bonus without the need for a set. Statistically, at Garuda caps (350/310), Garuda's is minutely better, but you have to figure that 12str over cap on LT will still convert to attack power at (I think) a 3:2 rate. Assuming that's true, the LT should be minutely better than Garuda.
Edit: This is with my gear setup though; Serpent Officer Overcoat adds 120 crit AP. With 0 crit attack power assumed, Garuda wins. Assuming you never crit, its pretty even.

The PIE boost is only good if you are short elsewhere, which you aren't. The Serpent Sergeant's Sanction is 45APow, but (I haven't done serious testing, mind you) I'm pretty sure I lose damage going from Ifrit's to Sergeant's (yes, at cap for both).

so the 350/310 stat caps are based of garuda weapons? If I am at stat caps for Iffy, should i switch some gear towards att instead of raising STR to 350?

Sorry Silvano and Haldir90 for posting this here, but i wonder where do you find those caps and how to calculate them? Because i always found ppl saying the caps are 350/310

Also Haldir90 you could update your legs, You could use Felt Trousers with STR/DEX or STR/VIT.

Yeah, i have some felt trousers with 14STR/VIT from pld/war, but I don't like the idea of raising my jump recast timer, and AF legs do offer a pretty solid boost to both STR and PIE

Also, the caps are higher i believe for relic weapons. From my limited understanding, the caps are based on the weapon's DPS. so a raise in DPS, there is a raise in the STR/PIE caps

Stat caps were determined through testing done hours and hours by people I trust, as well as people I don't know. When a few people get the same results on different servers, I'm going to say its pretty darn close. It may be off a point or 5, but for optimization at this point in the game, this is what we know to be the areas:

Ifrit: 330/300
Garuda: 350/310
Gae Bolg: 380/325

Edit: Although, it is all probably changing in two months, so what I stick by is use primal weapons, and pump attack power. My friend who originally told me about Ifrit caps being lower outDPS' uses Ifrit's because of the caps, and is one of the top DPSers I know.

Personally, I get top3 in miser, and and #1 more often than not, with PUGs and statics alike. Using Ifrit's. I switched to Serpent Sergeant for a little while, and it just didn't seem as good *shrug*.

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Originally Posted by Silvano

Stat caps were determined through testing done hours and hours by people I trust, as well as people I don't know. When a few people get the same results on different servers, I'm going to say its pretty darn close. It may be off a point or 5, but for optimization at this point in the game, this is what we know to be the areas:

Ifrit: 330/300
Garuda: 350/310
Gae Bolg: 380/325

Edit: Although, it is all probably changing in two months, so what I stick by is use primal weapons, and pump attack power. My friend who originally told me about Ifrit caps being lower outDPS' uses Ifrit's because of the caps, and is one of the top DPSers I know.

Personally, I get top3 in miser, and and #1 more often than not, with PUGs and statics alike. Using Ifrit's. I switched to Serpent Sergeant for a little while, and it just didn't seem as good *shrug*.

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Pretty sure test from Kaeko and Seiken stated 350 str/310 pie caps were for Ifrit weapon... so Garuda's caps are higher

Pretty sure those tests were released before Garuda came out ;). They shifted the caps to Garuda.

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Originally Posted by Silvano

Pretty sure those tests were released before Garuda came out ;). They shifted the caps to Garuda.

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ya i doubt that lol unless you can present tests of that ^^;

Tests were re-done. I have the numbers, I didn't personally do the tests. The numbers I posted are the numbers, as close as anyone's gotten at least. I had a few friends who did the testing for me, and there were threads in various places at one point, not my bad you weren't around for 'em ^^; This is the closest thing I can find on short notice:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...IE-ATK-Testing

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Originally Posted by Silvano

Tests were re-done. I have the numbers, I didn't personally do the tests. The numbers I posted are the numbers, as close as anyone's gotten at least. I had a few friends who did the testing for me, and there were threads in various places at one point, not my bad you weren't around for 'em ^^; This is the closest thing I can find on short notice:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...IE-ATK-Testing

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I was around when kaeko and seiken did their testings, never saw anything from anyone saying garuda caps are ifrit caps now lol
I hope you aren't taking those 330/300 from ifrit weapons due to what is said on 1st post though? since those are Bow caps, which are lower than other jobs.

DEX caps lower, not the secondary stat. All of the weapons are linear, so all Ifrit weapons have the same caps, etc. Once again, when Seiken did his original testing, Garuda weapons weren't out yet. Since he is no longer active on the forum, a few of us took up the testing ourselves. If something has changed, or someone came up with new caps, no one of my tester friends have let me know, so I'm sticking to what I've got.

I've seen the results in-game of the caps I listed; seeing as I'm not going to dig through the forums for information I know to be true, you can trust I'm right (which I doubt you will do; I mean, it is an online forum and you are on a different server), or you can continue to believe what you do. Regardless, it won't matter in a couple of months.

The only facts I can give you, and this is another one of those trust things, is that I was using Serpent Sergeants, fully capped by your standards (350/310), and now that I've moved to Ifrit's and lesser gear, lower stats, and more attack power, I am doing considerably more damage than before. 330/290 (328/292 if you want what I use as the caps) is what I base my gearset on, which allows me to have...I think 15apow,120crit apow, and 12crit rate more than if I was using the 350/310 gearset. Now, we know that STR gives .8-.9 damage to weapon skills below cap (PIE is .65-.67), while APow gives .35-.38, so unless I'm missing something, I should not be able to outdamage myself by taking away 20str and 20pie.

Here's a link to all that stuff if you didn't know about it.

Guess I should add a disclaimer; if what I know has changed, sorry. It may be so, but no one has presented me with the new info yet. As of 1.22, this is true.

Edit: Speaking of disclaimers, I went through the information that I posted again, and the guy who came up with the algorithm for stat caps switched back from 328/292 to 350/310...as of last week (its the google doc link). He's on my server so I'll try and see what's up tonight, assuming he's on.

Hey Silvano,

I'm sure your gear set is much more advanced than mine, but could you post your iffy setup atm? I'm gonna adjust gear to fit the 330/300 and pump attack power/crits I think.

Thanks.

Probably not actually ^^;

Ifrit's Harpoon
Gridanian Officer's Hat
Gridanian Officer's Overcoat
Felt Bracers +36STR
Explorer's Breeches (This is a blank spot you can do w/e here)
DL Sollerets

Explorer's Earring
Serpent Sergeant's Choker
Tourmaline Bracelets +1
Rubellite/Tourmaline Rings +1