Garlemald's redemption arc (Spoiler about 7.4)

So learning about the withering and that the twins are heading back to Garlemald, i have an thought of the Garlean people would have an redemption arc, assistance us to fight against this 'withering' if it is in Blindfrost which is located between ilsabard and Othard.

I know that the people of the source hasn't forgiving Garlemald, but if they would help the Warrior of Light in someway they can, it would show everyone that the Garleans really want to change their ways.

It would be a nice sub plot to be sure.

It would certainly be an interesting focus for some Werlyt-type sidequests.

Perhaps they could answer the question of what happened to some of the missing legions in such a series too.

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

It would certainly be an interesting focus for some Werlyt-type sidequests.

Perhaps they could answer the question of what happened to some of the missing legions in such a series too.

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That would be nice to learn too. Not to mention if there are any Weapons left that we didn't know off.

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Originally Posted by Pimsan20

So learning about the withering and that the twins are heading back to Garlemald, i have an thought of the Garlean people would have an redemption arc, assistance us to fight against this 'withering' if it is in Blindfrost which is located between ilsabard and Othard.

I know that the people of the source hasn't forgiving Garlemald, but if they would help the Warrior of Light in someway they can, it would show everyone that the Garleans really want to change their ways.

It would be a nice sub plot to be sure.

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I agree that it will be some time before the people of the source move past their current feelings of Garlemald but, even the most jaded of them would probably agree that they have suffered enough.

Their entire civilization is in ruins, a majority of their people have been killed, it’s time to heal and rebuild from such a terrible war. Just like how it took Europe a long time to move past the Germany of WWII, so will it take time for Garlemald. They will rebuild and if done with care from the alliance, a better country will emerge. The healing will take generations though so no side quest will result in actual restoration and resolution.

My peak expansion would be Celtic and/or Norse themed content in Ilsabard, with a bit of restoring Garlemald on the side. And with how things are panning out with all the hints from this patch, events, etc it seems to be leaning that direction. You could do something like Corvos as the city and a rebuilt Garlean base as the hub. And we could finally get another Doman Restoration style project to fix up a town.

Eh, I've got no personal interest in helping out Garlemald, I'm perfectly fine leaving them in the hole they dug for themselves while I lend my help elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by Hyperia

I agree that it will be some time before the people of the source move past their current feelings of Garlemald but, even the most jaded of them would probably agree that they have suffered enough.

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Everytime I reach out and offer them a helping hand, I only get bitten. Maybe they have indeed not suffered enough?
And I'm just an annoyed player. Seeing how the inhabitants of the provinces had to suffer under Garlean rule, I pretty much doubt that even a handful would be ready to forgive the immense Garlean crimes.

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

It would certainly be an interesting focus for some Werlyt-type sidequests.

Perhaps they could answer the question of what happened to some of the missing legions in such a series too.

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There is still the continent proper to be explored. We know the 4th saw the writing on the wall and tried to carve out it's own nation only for us to stop it. Would probably be the same situation with the last remaining legions.

Least from someones list the remaining legions are 4th (lost most coveted land), 5th (unknown), 6th (stuck in azys Lla), 8th and 9th (unknown), 10th (was going to aid the 1st before faltering, unknown), and 13th (unknown)

Didn't Yoshi hint that 8.0 is going to be a cold/frozen environment? Most speculation seems to be the Isles of Blindfrost. So my guess is, between the twins going back to Garlemald, and the talk of the Winterers, we're likely doing a stop in Garlemald and then heading to Blindfrost.

Well firstly, we helped setup a small government in Garlemald and create trade relations with places like Radz-at-Han. It seems like Alphinaud and Alisaie are going back to further increase those trade relations. However, my hope is this is a way to write them out of the story, because SE knows we are sick and tired of the scions.

Secondly, if you did the Endwalker role quests, spoiler alert, Garlemald is forward-looking and finds its future on the moon.

Thirdly, we now know that winterers indeed seem to have little to do with winter itself. It's about some sort of withering of the shards themselves as a result of Hydaelyn not being around to maintain them, and the winterers are to survive that withering. As such, it's more likely we are going to other shards (and possibly even shard-hop), rather than going to Blindfrost.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Well firstly, we helped setup a small government in Garlemald and create trade relations with places like Radz-at-Han. It seems like Alphinaud and Alisaie are going back to further increase those trade relations. However, my hope is this is a way to write them out of the story, because SE knows we are sick and tired of the scions.

Secondly, if you did the Endwalker role quests, spoiler alert, Garlemald is forward-looking and finds its future on the moon.

Thirdly, we now know that winterers indeed seem to have little to do with winter itself. It's about some sort of withering of the shards themselves as a result of Hydaelyn not being around to maintain them, and the winterers are to survive that withering. As such, it's more likely we are going to other shards (and possibly even shard-hop), rather than going to Blindfrost.

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The Rising poem was "In gleaming gold the sun does rise, the boundless sky it call. In silver pale the path of men, a white and endless pall," And the teaser text at the end of this patch was "Whither blows fate's wandering will? For grey clouds presage winter's chill..." Both of these HEAVILY imply at the very least a snow/ice themed expansion which could easily be Ilsabard and Blindfrost Isle. Or possibly the Sixth reflection, but it was destroyed by the ice calamity.

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Originally Posted by Raim

The Rising poem was "In gleaming gold the sun does rise, the boundless sky it call. In silver pale the path of men, a white and endless pall," And the teaser text at the end of this patch was "Whither blows fate's wandering will? For grey clouds presage winter's chill..." Both of these HEAVILY imply at the very least a snow/ice themed expansion which could easily be Ilsabard and Blindfrost Isle. Or possibly the Sixth reflection, but it was destroyed by the ice calamity.

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Maybe there will be some callbacks to the Fifth Umbral Era? Apparently its one of those where few things were recorded and knowledge was lost due to the harshness of trying to survive a literal ice age, so nobody was really jotting things down and probably burning tomes and artifacts to stay warm. It played significantly into Miqo'te lore, but that's about all that gets mentioned from that time.

I've wondered for a while now that instead of shard-hopping, Square-Enix will start falling back on previous Astral & Umbral Eras to expand on things to do and discover on the Source. Which, in a roundabout way is still "shard related content" given what caused those previous Calamities. Actually... didn't we find out at some point that when Rejoinings happen that parts of the lost worlds are absorbed into the Source, we just don't know where it all ends up?

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

Maybe there will be some callbacks to the Fifth Umbral Era? Apparently its one of those where few things were recorded and knowledge was lost due to the harshness of trying to survive a literal ice age, so nobody was really jotting things down and probably burning tomes and artifacts to stay warm. It played significantly into Miqo'te lore, but that's about all that gets mentioned from that time.

I've wondered for a while now that instead of shard-hopping, Square-Enix will start falling back on previous Astral & Umbral Eras to expand on things to do and discover on the Source. Which, in a roundabout way is still "shard related content" given what caused those previous Calamities. Actually... didn't we find out at some point that when Rejoinings happen that parts of the lost worlds are absorbed into the Source, we just don't know where it all ends up?

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And it’s very likely we might see ruins that belong to other shards that has their own key to travel between shards.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Thirdly, we now know that winterers indeed seem to have little to do with winter itself. It's about some sort of withering of the shards themselves as a result of Hydaelyn not being around to maintain them, and the winterers are to survive that withering.

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That's actually not quite true. "The withering" is a mistranslation in the English version. In Japanese, Halmarut says that a "harsh winter" is coming, following strange events that will shake the entire star. It may or may not be a winter in the literal sense, but that's the word she uses to describe it.

I will genuinely unsub forever if the MSQ devolves into speedrunning Garlemald's "redemption arc"
I hope they never touch Garlemald ever again in the MSQ tbh

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Originally Posted by Pimsan20

That would be nice to learn too. Not to mention if there are any Weapons left that we didn't know off.

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If we get to bring back the Garland Gundam G-Warrior for another round, I'm down.

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Originally Posted by Underscore

That's actually not quite true. "The withering" is a mistranslation in the English version. In Japanese, Halmarut says that a "harsh winter" is coming, following strange events that will shake the entire star. It may or may not be a winter in the literal sense, but that's the word she uses to describe it.

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Good to know, it made more sense on why Halmarut told Calyx to outlast the withering.