A Thought In Regards To The Glamor Unshackling

First off, as an amateur Fashion Fantasy player, I'm all for this unshackling. Long overdue if'n you ask me~! But with that unshackling comes an ever-present worry...glamor dresser space to put it all! Fortunately, I've thought on the subject a bit, and I've devised three things that might help remedy this.

(But before I begin: the Outfit Glamor system STILL does not cover the Sophist's set and the #55 set, which seems like a really weird oversight, since both sets are purely glam, and should probably be fixed!)

ONE: THE ARMOIRE
As-is, the Armoire is good, but weirdly limited in matters outside of stashing event and store items. Thus, I posit an expansion of its features, letting it be the place where ALL job-specific and relic stuff is placed. A quick-and-easy one-stop shop for all this stuff, be they replica or original.

TWO: PALADIN WEAPONS
As a PLD main, weapons and shields taking up separate slots annoys the bejeezus out of me. So, I would suggest usingthe Outfit Glamor system to, essentially, collapse all PLD weapons into a single slot(especially since we GET PLD weapons as a single item nowadays). This does mean that some of them(namely stuff from the early ARR days, which either has no matching weapon or no matching shield) may need to be slightly reworked, but I'd be all for that(especially the Ifrit, Titan, Garuda and Moggle Mog stuff).

THREE: OUTFIT GLAMOR EXPANSION
This neatly segues me into the other point: the Outfit Glamor system is fantastic for this sort of thing, but its use is...weirdly limited, but I also understand why the system doesn't cover gear with stats to it. Thus, I posit the following compromise: put an NPC in each Company hangout(which I'd be happy to come up with, should anyone want me to) that takes gearsets and, for a sum of Company Seals, exchanges them for statless, purely glam versions of themselves, and can also exchange thusly-glammed pieces back to statted pieces for the same sum.

I would wager that the most commonly used shield glam in the game by far is the Emperor's New Shield, and lots of Paladin players like being able to mix-and-match sword and shield, so to #2... no.

I know the answer is because of the old spaghetti code and console limitations back then. Still it would be nice to just find glamour, unlock it in a little book or something, and then never have to worry about it taking up inventory space. I love FF XIV to death but when you compare their glamour system to other MMOs, FF XIV feels so backwards.

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Originally Posted by FuturePastNow

I would wager that the most commonly used shield glam in the game by far is the Emperor's New Shield, and lots of Paladin players like being able to mix-and-match sword and shield, so to #2... no.

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The glamour outfit system lets you store several items as a single slot, however, you can still wear individual pieces. This system would be great for GLD/PLD swords and shields.

Do the Glamour Catalogue! Like WoW has!

If you soulbind to a unique-model piece of gear, it gets added to a list of items usable in the dresser!

It's literally that simple! They are keeping the stupid restrictive system on purpose!

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Originally Posted by NegativeS

Do the Glamour Catalogue! Like WoW has!

If you soulbind to a unique-model piece of gear, it gets added to a list of items usable in the dresser!

It's literally that simple! They are keeping the stupid restrictive system on purpose!

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Saying they are keeping the current system "on purpose" isn't very fair, I feel. Now don't get me wrong I hate the current system too and constantly criticize the dev team, but it isn't like they consciously choose to keep the current system to spite us. Creating a catalog style system like WoW has requires development time and resources, resources they are currently choosing to spend else where. They HAVE acknowledged glamour systems need an update, and it's currently #2 on their priority list after some house furnishing fixes. The main question here is "will what they cook up for glam be as sensible as the catalog?" though.

They do have a catalogue for the mog station so they can of course do that for viewing purposes only.

Actually allowing you to own every single item is another thing entirely. That takes up HDD space, but they really can't use that argument as a large company and when you can simply make an alt or buy extra retainers.

Based on their recent, more detailed explanation, the issue is too many items being held in server memory. But given the glamour dresser has pages, they should simply load it by page number and that way have unlimited slots.

It would be ideal for all these different types of inventory and item storage to be merged but when you think about them enough on a technical level, they technically function differently and would be complicated to migrate. Nevertheless, it's not impossible to merge some of them if done very carefully.

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Originally Posted by Insidhe

First off, as an amateur Fashion Fantasy player, I'm all for this unshackling. Long overdue if'n you ask me~! But with that unshackling comes an ever-present worry...glamor dresser space to put it all! Fortunately, I've thought on the subject a bit, and I've devised three things that might help remedy this.

(But before I begin: the Outfit Glamor system STILL does not cover the Sophist's set and the #55 set, which seems like a really weird oversight, since both sets are purely glam, and should probably be fixed!)

ONE: THE ARMOIRE
As-is, the Armoire is good, but weirdly limited in matters outside of stashing event and store items. Thus, I posit an expansion of its features, letting it be the place where ALL job-specific and relic stuff is placed. A quick-and-easy one-stop shop for all this stuff, be they replica or original.

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This should've been a thing ages ago. I still think it's bizarre only the ARR artifact sets are Armoire compatible (and not even their upgraded version that the game just hands to us now!)

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Based on their recent, more detailed explanation, the issue is too many items being held in server memory. But given the glamour dresser has pages, they should simply load it by page number and that way have unlimited slots.

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No reason to store every single item.

Store a singular list of every single item somewhere (like I'm sure they already have buried in the spaghetti somewhere), then server-side, assign to every character/service account an array of trues/falses that corresponds to those items. When a character soulbinds to an item, set that character's entry for that item in the array to 'true'. (Depending on how spicy they want to be this could be as small as bytes of additional storage load per service account)

When you open the Glamour Catalogue, fetch the existing list-of-every-item (which could be stored client side if you really don't want that extra bandwidth), then for every 'true' the character's array has, display that item as available to glamour.

No storage required.

I like to think they're going to expand the outfit glamourer system, but most of my dungeon gear is from non-leveling so they are incomplete sets and I really don't want to imagine how long it would be if I needed to farm each piece to fold them into 1 slot too.

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Originally Posted by NegativeS

Store a singular list of every single item somewhere (like I'm sure they already have buried in the spaghetti somewhere), then server-side, assign to every character/service account an array of trues/falses that corresponds to those items. When a character soulbinds to an item, set that character's entry for that item in the array to 'true'. (Depending on how spicy they want to be this could be as small as bytes of additional storage load per service account)

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I mean I agree with you, and that's why the only explanation a person can come up with is that they think they lack sufficient HDD space for those true/false bits/bytes.

Yet they manage it with the ever expanding list of achievements so there is a certain degree of contradiction. It's why I struggle to have faith in their programming department. They can't possibly know what they are doing.

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Originally Posted by CCheshire

I like to think they're going to expand the outfit glamourer system, but most of my dungeon gear is from non-leveling so they are incomplete sets and I really don't want to imagine how long it would be if I needed to farm each piece to fold them into 1 slot too.

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That's another thing they need to fix. It makes sense for current endgame gear to be more difficult, but there's no good reason to make it harder to get gear from a level 60 dungeon than from 59 or 61. The dungeons also drop less actual gear than the levelling dungeons, since coffers only have a chance to contain left-side pieces rather than guaranteed in levelling dungeons.

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Originally Posted by SicariusSeven

I know the answer is because of the old spaghetti code and console limitations back then. Still it would be nice to just find glamour, unlock it in a little book or something, and then never have to worry about it taking up inventory space. I love FF XIV to death but when you compare their glamour system to other MMOs, FF XIV feels so backwards.

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All the ingredients for this are already in the game since the ARR days on PS3.

We have an achievment log, which gets expanded every patch.

We have achievments which unlock when we wear a specific set of gear and then talk to an NPC.

And we have a vendor which sells gear depending on which achievments you have unlocked.

The Garo gear uses all 3 of these steps and is essentially already a working prototype of a glamour log. It jutst needs to be expanded and get it's own UI.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

That's another thing they need to fix. It makes sense for current endgame gear to be more difficult, but there's no good reason to make it harder to get gear from a level 60 dungeon than from 59 or 61. The dungeons also drop less actual gear than the levelling dungeons, since coffers only have a chance to contain left-side pieces rather than guaranteed in levelling dungeons.

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I mean, it would make me super happy if they let us have the old capped dungeon gear and old ARs if I could trade in items for the missing parts.

Sure, if they want to make the newest expansion dungeons have more re-playability, but who cares that much for ShB dungeons gear sets other those few ppl addicted to glam farming like I am would be relieved.

No thanks to the 2nd one, i like mix and matching paladin weapons.
Ideally, the armoire would become the collection tab some day

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Originally Posted by inhaledcorn

The glamour outfit system lets you store several items as a single slot, however, you can still wear individual pieces.

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If only we could do this with regular dungeon gear. Spent some time getting gear from Meso Terminal which I really liked but it can only be stored as individual pieces, not as sets.

I also wish we could dye the regular dungeon gear. There are many nice pieces but they often happen to be the wrong colour.

depending on the abo players can create up to 40 characters. they need enough useable memory space to ensure there wont be a proplem if a lot of people suddenly decide to create several alts each. for exemple armoire and glam chest for each and everyone of them.

if they make an accountwide glam catalogue they could even safe memory space.

just imagine the space 40 full armoires need. space that is unusable for anything else no matter if the armoir is actually full on all 40 chsracters or not.

I think They said after they take care of housing interior upgrade, they will work on glamour dresser and plate

Anyone saying this is stupid....why...this is like the best news ever. I saw someone on twitter demanding this never happens...like this is modding for non modders so why would u be against something that modders have been doing for years???

What is ultimately like to see is the Armoire become the glamour catalog. When they started the outfit system, I was hoping it was moving in that direction, however slowly, because the outfits act like Armoire items, no saved dyes and categorized by their set.

But, ideally, if they do turn the Armoire into a glamour catalog, I’d like to see the “no stored dyes” limitation be overcome. I’d also like to be able to try things on from the catalog listing (maybe like Dreamfitting but for in-game gear), and I would like the feature from the Mogpendium that opens up the Duty Finder to the relevant duty if the gear comes from a dungeon, raid, etc. Though I could live with it if that info was only in text form; just tell me where to get the stuff without having to go look it up somewhere else.

With the Armoire as the catalog, the Glamour Dresser can remain just for making plates, which should be increased to a minimum of one for every job: battle, crafting, gathering, and limited. Plus a few extra for future-proofing against the addition of new jobs and/or just having extras for favorite jobs or seasonal events. A bonus would be the addition of hairstyles, facewear and even fashion accessories to the plates. And as some have suggested, a storage tab for glam essentials like prisms and dyes so they’re not cluttering up your inventory. (Although I’d really like a color picker, I don’t think dye pots are going anywhere as long as some of them are rare/cash shop.)

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Originally Posted by Khryseis_Astra

But, ideally, if they do turn the Armoire into a glamour catalog, I’d like to see the “no stored dyes” limitation be overcome.

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I think that by definition going with a catalog-style system would REQUIRE not being able to save dyes, since it's meant to allow for essentially unlimited storage by reducing the required data per piece as much as possible (which would mean just 'do you have this piece: Y/N')

Buuuuut they could solve that problem by ALSO keeping some dresser space (though maybe not as much as we currently have) as an option for saving gear that you want to use expensive dyes on.

(I'd rather they add a system that lets you permanently unlock dyes somehow, but BABY STEPS.)

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Originally Posted by Insidhe

ONE: THE ARMOIRE
As-is, the Armoire is good, but weirdly limited in matters outside of stashing event and store items. Thus, I posit an expansion of its features, letting it be the place where ALL job-specific and relic stuff is placed. A quick-and-easy one-stop shop for all this stuff, be they replica or original.

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It is weirdly limited. Not too long ago, Many clothing items from the cash shop could not go in there. I think it was all items made for the shop and very early holiday items that could not. Then one patch they suddenly added everything, and everything added since can go in there too. Since no extra data is kept with each item (dies, spiritbound, durability) it seems to behave like a checklist. You put an item it's checked off, you take out it's unchecked.

So why can't Garo Gear go in there? Why not these doodads from the moogle events? (one special one could)

The Armoire could be the basis for a comprehensive collection system. They merely have to expand the list to include everything. :D Obviously not something that happens over night or at the wave of a wand, but it seems quite doable.

I only heard this and can't confirm it right now, but wasn't it said that whoever coded the Armoire left the company, left zero documentation on how this thing worked and they had to reverse-engineer the code over a long time to be able to use it?