I'm Still Enjoying the Relic Step

Despite the game burning all around us, I'm still enjoying the relic.

I don't feel rushed, I feel the expectations are manageable, I'm playing roulette content I haven't seen in years, everything has been going well.

I'm hopeful that more relic steps are like this. It's not punishing but it does take a lot of work to get there.

Cheers to the developers for this step.

Honestly I agree 100%. its a reward ontop of using the roulletes to level another job or farm the tomestones daily. Don't get me wrong i see the point of both sides, but heya tleast its only two one time steps. I would take this over the 180 items you needed on resistence for a one time step that you had to do either zadnor or farm the raids 180 times.

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Originally Posted by Mercury_Grey

Honestly I agree 100%. its a reward ontop of using the roulletes to level another job or farm the tomestones daily. Don't get me wrong i see the point of both sides, but heya tleast its only two one time steps. I would take this over the 180 items you needed on resistence for a one time step that you had to do either zadnor or farm the raids 180 times.

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Agreed, and better than arbitrary point systems. This one is clear and concise.

PLOT TWIST: last step is going back to eureka and grinding 999 pazuzu feathers xD

I'm mostly indifferent towards the step now, but I do think it was a terrible decision to have the Crystal Tower raids give so little progress even with the daily bonus, they should have given a similar amount as the level 50 Trials and Dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Veritas-Ancora

I'm playing roulette content I haven't seen in years

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It was a great and refreshing decision to require the Roulette most lacking in incentive, High Level Dungeons.

I mean, I just queue in several times a day, and if I get CT, I quit. I've seen others do it, too. It may suck, but it works.

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Originally Posted by SkankyRoe

I'm mostly indifferent towards the step now, but I do think it was a terrible decision to have the Crystal Tower raids give so little progress even with the daily bonus, they should have given a similar amount as the level 50 Trials and Dungeons.

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I can understand the logic behind that decision, but they definitely understimated how often 50 Alliances drop in roulette even when no one in the party is in the 50-59 level range.

i dont really care anymore but i cant say its good contentdesign.
doing something that many players do anyway followed by tokens many players get through the same thing.

great lvl 100 content... well wouldnt call it content, just an extra reward for content thats 99% not lvl 100.

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Originally Posted by 0blivion

I mean, I just queue in several times a day, and if I get CT, I quit. I've seen others do it, too. It may suck, but it works.

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Always praying for someone to take the penalty for me when I see CT. Not all heroes wear capes.

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Originally Posted by 0blivion

I mean, I just queue in several times a day, and if I get CT, I quit. I've seen others do it, too. It may suck, but it works.

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*shrugs* I just do it and get it over with. It’s a quicker duty, so I’m in and out with more time to run something else. Seems silly to take a 30 minute penalty for a raid that takes about 20 minutes on a bad day. lol

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Originally Posted by Khryseis_Astra

*shrugs* I just do it and get it over with. It’s a quicker duty, so I’m in and out with more time to run something else. Seems silly to take a 30 minute penalty for a raid that takes about 20 minutes on a bad day. lol

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That's why you leave AR roulette as the last thing you do for the day :3c Who cares about penalty when you're logging off anyway, lol.

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

That's why you leave AR roulette as the last thing you do for the day :3c Who cares about penalty when you're logging off anyway, lol.

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I’ve probably gotten Syrcus, LotA and WoD more often than not, but I’m done now. lol I much preferred getting my 3 whole runs of Thaleia, or my 1 run of Jeuno that I didn’t have to manually queue for /after/ running for my daily bonus! XD Shame I didn’t get Paradigm at all. Only got Orbonne and Dun Scaith once each. WoD was by far the most frequent.

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Originally Posted by Mercury_Grey

or farm the raids 180 times.

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We don't talk about that. LOL XD

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Originally Posted by Veritas-Ancora

Despite the game burning all around us, I'm still enjoying the relic.

I don't feel rushed, I feel the expectations are manageable, I'm playing roulette content I haven't seen in years, everything has been going well.

I'm hopeful that more relic steps are like this. It's not punishing but it does take a lot of work to get there.

Cheers to the developers for this step.

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I agree, almost done with only the 4 daily bonus, allows me to focus on mainly on CE witch is welcome break from battle content after almost 100 fork tower clears.

There's no reason to rush, I'll most likely get those 21 * 1500 tomes by the time the next patch drops.

problem is if you log off every time you get crystal tower you wont get anywhere

I already finished the new relic step and buying my 3rd relic. I really love the new glow effect on these. For most of them, it's now my favorite 2nd stage relic glow they've ever done. Just super clean with an awesome solar flare ejection type effect. I love it. My only complaint is the SCH/SMN books a bit disappointing - the glow is a bit too small, and I'm not super crazy about a lot of the base models especially SGE. So while the glow is awesome, I wish more of the base models looked better.

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Originally Posted by OliverQ

I already finished the new relic step and buying my 3rd relic. I really love the new glow effect on these. For most of them, it's now my favorite 2nd stage relic glow they've ever done. Just super clean with an awesome solar flare ejection type effect. I love it. My only complaint is the SCH/SMN books a bit disappointing - the glow is a bit too small, and I'm not super crazy about a lot of the base models especially SGE. So while the glow is awesome, I wish more of the base models looked better.

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RPR base and glow in teh design don't look good. But thats just me. I like how the glows actually come off the weapons end for most of the up close jobs. MNK look like draogn fly wings with glow. Now you can't unsee it

I'm loving this new step.

It's giving me a reason to do roulettes I've normally skipped (Trials Roulette at max level gives meager rewards for the time spent in it and High Level Dungeons give no top tier tomestones). And a lot less RNG than the previous phase, especially the Verdigris DemiAtma CE was spawned by only killing Inkblots.

Now the RNG is which content you pull up from the roulette. Get the mandatory for MSQ CT, you get less light. Get Nier or Jeuno, get more.

I think if I would change anything about it, I would give the roulettes a base amount similar to how we did light steps in the past where specific instances had base amounts. Then if they wanted to introduce variability on the bonus, that might be one place. But honestly I think the variability based on time expenditure is really hurting players especially in alliance raid, because CT is and always will be more prominent as it is required for the MSQ.

If they did a variable bonus, then it should consider bonuses based on level of content instead of average time. Though even that could lead to issues, where people would leave all the lower level instances.

So I think the best option is what we had in previous steps. Have the base amount then have certain times of the day where there is a bonus. Make it unpredictable, so that encourages players to utilize the roulette more than just once a day. And there would still be the base amount that players could get for each roulette they did. They would just get that unexpected bonus sometimes like we did with light before.

That way no one is encouraged to leave certain duties since they would all give the same base amount and the bonus wouldn't be based on which duty came up.

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Originally Posted by OliverQ

I already finished the new relic step and buying my 3rd relic. I really love the new glow effect on these. For most of them, it's now my favorite 2nd stage relic glow they've ever done. Just super clean with an awesome solar flare ejection type effect. I love it. My only complaint is the SCH/SMN books a bit disappointing - the glow is a bit too small, and I'm not super crazy about a lot of the base models especially SGE. So while the glow is awesome, I wish more of the base models looked better.

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SMN/SCH relic book looks stupid with that half assed corner glow. I glamoured it with my HW Lux book. So much better lol not gonna get my hopes up for the 3rd and final step when we get to that down the road later on.

I don't actually understand what is so great about doing exacly the same tasks over and over again?
Specially if you play a bit longer and you did it before for the other relics etc.

Even if the relic is supposed to be a poetics grind it's still about doing the same.

We need innovation how many times are you ready to do the same content people?

I finished the relic last night. I went ahead, completed my Light farm objective and dont get any reward. Like, alright. I complete the tedious task, I run roulettes back and forth - and no I havent grinded to much, I took my time and did daily roulettes.

For the last step, I'm supposed to bring another 1500 tomestones, great. I had enough, but mistake on me, I bought the old material from the vendor. And now, I'm here like - great back to roulette grinding more tomes.

It's frustrating, cause you cannot exchange the materials back. And there is literally no reward for ending this Light grind? No, I'm supposed to pay my 1500 tomes first.

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Originally Posted by xbahax92

I finished the relic last night. I went ahead, completed my Light farm objective and dont get any reward. Like, alright. I complete the tedious task, I run roulettes back and forth - and no I havent grinded to much, I took my time and did daily roulettes.

For the last step, I'm supposed to bring another 1500 tomestones, great. I had enough, but mistake on me, I bought the old material from the vendor. And now, I'm here like - great back to roulette grinding more tomes.

It's frustrating, cause you cannot exchange the materials back. And there is literally no reward for ending this Light grind? No, I'm supposed to pay my 1500 tomes first.

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after you get hte light done the next quest is suppose to give you your first upgrade for free. If i read it right the tomestones for upgrades are a reward. you can do this relic step apssively while still being able to cap your 100 tomestones. Got them capped already? use it for materials, or better gear. Cap them again while doping the daily bonus light

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Originally Posted by Mercury_Grey

after you get hte light done the next quest is suppose to give you your first upgrade for free. If i read it right the tomestones for upgrades are a reward. you can do this relic step apssively while still being able to cap your 100 tomestones. Got them capped already? use it for materials, or better gear. Cap them again while doping the daily bonus light

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You don't get a free weapon after light, you have to pay for it.

https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/w...nds_Phantasmal

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With Gerolt exuding aetheric energies, all that remains is to procure raw materials to begin the enhancement process. Thankfully, it appears the survey team have managed to extract a sizable quantity of waxing arcanite, which will be necessary to refine your phantom weapon. Given ongoing contractual obligations to the House of Splendors, however, you will need to purchase the requisite three chunks of ore from Ermina, their mercantile representative on the isle. Dodokkuli, meanwhile, waits patiently by the smithy, ready to receive the ore for preliminary processing.

※You may not proceed with a class or job that is different from when you accepted this quest.
※Chunks of waxing arcanite can be obtained from Ermina in the phantom village.

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I just completed the light quest. Got told to buy the ore, down 1500 tomes for the ore, and when the quest was completed the ore was gone.

The roulettes are making me sink into a depressive state while playing. So to cope I am literally doing my rotation while watching something else on the other screen. I'm about halfway done now.
I was hoping to have the step be doable via fates, since I wanted to level jobs and do the relic as well as gather up gems for tickets to grab the little mount. No such luck. Suffering it is.

At least I am making decent headway into watching supernatural.

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Originally Posted by Khryseis_Astra

*shrugs* I just do it and get it over with. It’s a quicker duty, so I’m in and out with more time to run something else. Seems silly to take a 30 minute penalty for a raid that takes about 20 minutes on a bad day. lol

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Everytime i either just watch a youtube video, or leave. I dont care that i died 6x because i didnt move out of the aoe. I just cant bother playing it anymore. i press the 1,2,3 rotation blind, no idea if i accidentaly missed a button. Im just completely sick of those raids. If SE isnt bothering putting more effort into getting those raids good again, im not putting effort into playing it. Youtube gets my focus here.

Its that i dont have any other game atm where i can have nice 30min rounds, or i would have taken that instead of the 20min penalty of having to watch a youtube video.

I have better ways to spend my time.

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Originally Posted by Myotis

I don't actually understand what is so great about doing exacly the same tasks over and over again?
Specially if you play a bit longer and you did it before for the other relics etc.

Even if the relic is supposed to be a poetics grind it's still about doing the same.

We need innovation how many times are you ready to do the same content people?

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Who is going to tell them?

Tbf MMO is mostly doing the same things for different rewards over and over again since many players will burn through content faster than devs can create new grinds unless it's time-gated once a week.

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Originally Posted by CCheshire

Who is going to tell them?

Tbf MMO is mostly doing the same things for different rewards over and over again since many players will burn through content faster than devs can create new grinds unless it's time-gated once a week.

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This.

I genuinely don't know any online game (be it classic MMO or something else) that doesn't become routinous relatively quickly. Heck, single-player games tend to be routinous, they just have the benefit of being confined within 40-120 hours of gameplay, so the feeling of novely doesn't wear off.

Sure, there are a lot of things that can be improved, but let's not pretend that the need to repeat most content again and again will dissapear like... ever. Because it won't, and not just in FF14.

The 1,500 tomes per weapon is a joke and should be eliminated. Even 500 tomes per weapon is a better solution.

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Originally Posted by Myotis

I don't actually understand what is so great about doing exacly the same tasks over and over again?
Specially if you play a bit longer and you did it before for the other relics etc.

Even if the relic is supposed to be a poetics grind it's still about doing the same.

We need innovation how many times are you ready to do the same content people?

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Some people are content with mediocrity.