MMO on rails confirmed!

Hello again, it's me Rokien! So with Reinheart's translation, my initial worry was correct!

"Yes, when you first reach a area by following the “!” (Exclamation mark) it leads to another ! We are currently making those links."

don't follow the !. Problem solved

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Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi

don't follow the !. Problem solved

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... that is soooo stupid, because there is going to be nothing to do if you don't follow the !. You can't exp grind with parties, you will be stuck at level x

Man, you used to put out good topics, but your latest album feels uninspired...
But it's still a conversation point that will build steam ... so it's not like that album that's universally embarrasing to all its fans, it's just not up to par with the better stuff, ya know?

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Originally Posted by NefarioCall

Man, you used to put out good topics, but your latest album feels uninspired...
But it's still a conversation point that will build steam ... so it's not like that album that's universally embarrasing to all its fans, it's just not up to par with the better stuff, ya know?

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Ya, I'm tired, just woke up~ That will be my excuse!

Don't look on the map for the !, and just find them yourself.

Or even better, since no one cares, don't post threads that... no one cares about

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Originally Posted by Renen

Don't look on the map for the !, and just find them yourself.

Or even better, since no one cares, don't post threads that... no one cares about

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lots of people don't want a go here gamestyle play.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

... that is soooo stupid, because there is going to be nothing to do if you don't follow the !. You can't exp grind with parties, you will be stuck at level x

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that's what you actually said, and what you actually believe.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Ya, I'm tired, just woke up~ That will be my excuse!

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Well, it's still a decent point though.
... if normal mobs aren't exp worthy, and exp is gained from quests...
Then we kinda got to follow the quest line {Hmm...}
I am a bit concerned ... i guess the idea is that these !'s will eventually lead to group dungeons,
then you use the content finder to participate in them... But it's the other stuff that will divide this from a ! mark chase i guess ... Chocobo raising, free companies, Crystal Tower, Gold Saucer are all the kind of things that are not strictly ! chase grind questing... although they may have ! marks...

It`s just that most MMOs fall into this ! trap to begin with.

All I can say is, yay! And when tired with following the "!" I'll wander off the tracks and explore the environments, do repeatables, help my friends and make new ones, craft. . . . Oh sorry, I think I've derailed.

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Originally Posted by NefarioCall

Well, it's still a decent point though.
... if normal mobs aren't exp worthy, and exp is gained from quests...
Then we kinda got to follow the quest line {Hmm...}
I am a bit concerned ... i guess the idea is that these !'s will eventually lead to group dungeons,
then you use the content finder to participate in them... But it's the other stuff that will divide this from a ! mark chase i guess ... Chocobo raising, free companies, Crystal Tower, Gold Saucer are all the kind of things that are not strictly ! chase grind questing... although they may have ! marks...

It`s just that most MMOs fall into this ! trap to begin with.

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yep that comes to my next point! INSTANCES!

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Originally Posted by Nuinn

All I can say is, yay! And when tired with following the "!" I'll wander off the tracks and explore the environments, do repeatables, help my friends and make new ones, craft. . . . Oh sorry, I think I've derailed.

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All there is going to be doing is following ! Didn't you hear, everying is going to be released AFTER 2.0

What is this ! you people speak of? The ASCII form of the new grass?

Didn't you already make an "on rails" thread?

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Originally Posted by Antanias

Didn't you already make an "on rails" thread?

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Yep, but people complained about me bumping a thread of mine instead of making a new one. So, ya, blame them! I'm just stating it's confirmed, ffxiv will be an mmo on rails.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

All there is going to be doing is following ! Didn't you hear, everying is going to be released AFTER 2.0

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Oh good, will give me enough time to find all the "!" before more content is released! ^_^ /highfive

Exciting, I love Ruby on Rails.

tbh I would like to have NPC have ! over there heads.. I honestly don't wanna go around in circles trying to find a quest like in FFXI where there was none not to mention in FFXI they also didn't "exactly" tell you what to do.. you had to figure it out with a " Vague" line or 2.

Also it's a huge turnoff to having to look all over creation to find said quest(s). and newplayers will be driven away by it if they didn't have ! over NPCs head. And whos to say FFXIV: ARR won't have Hard Quests?

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Originally Posted by Starlord

tbh I would like to have NPC have ! over there heads.. I honestly don't wanna go around in circles trying to find a quest like in FFXI where there was none not to mention in FFXI they also didn't "exactly" tell you what to do.. you had to figure it out with a " Vague" line or 2.

Also it's a huge turnoff to having to look all over creation to find said quest(s). and newplayers will be driven away by it if they didn't have ! over NPCs head. And whos to say FFXIV: ARR won't have Hard Quests?

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the point isn't having the ! over npcs head its the arrow that leads to the !. It just going to be super linear game if it has that mentality which, now it does.

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Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch

What is this ! you people speak of? The ASCII form of the new grass?

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You winnar

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Yep, but people complained about me bumping a thread of mine instead of making a new one. So, ya, blame them! I'm just stating it's confirmed, ffxiv will be an mmo on rails.

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And 99% of the people don't mind. Because they believe Yoshida to know what he is doing. So please, shut up until you get to play it, and then you can start complaining again.
Because technically, in Skyrim, you also can follow the ! all around the world. At least as far as the main story line goes.

Pretty sure they said they are even adding exp parties to the group finder and there is nothing stopping you from killing open world mobs or duoing. Hell, im sure you can still shout in Uldah if you wanna live in your little bubble of 2003.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

the point isn't having the ! over npcs head its the arrow that leads to the !

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I also said "Vague" 1 or 2 lines that you have to get "Lucky" to come a crossed it. and I honestly want to be directed in the direction I need to go in not " Hope" I land on it and get "Lucky" That's no different then RNG in FFXIV Currently -.-.

They are totally getting rid of xp parties? Not even making it an option? I would rather xp grind w/ horrible penalties involved than be forced to follow the linear quest formula. So can I have confirmation they are getting rid of xp parties? I do remember reading some crap about questing xp I just didn't think they were going to abolish our ability to choose.

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Originally Posted by Picoman

Pretty sure they said they are even adding exp parties to the group finder and there is nothing stopping you from killing open world mobs or duoing. Hell, im sure you can still shout in Uldah in you wanna live in your little bubble of 2003.

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I'm 100% sure that yoshi said "MOB FARMING AND GRINDING ISN'T GOING TO WORK IN 2.0"

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Originally Posted by rution19

They are totally getting rid of xp parties? Not even making it an option? I would rather xp grind w/ horrible penalties involved than be forced to follow the linear quest formula. So can I have confirmation they are getting rid of xp parties? I do remember reading some crap about questing xp I just didn't think they were going to abolish our ability to choose.

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Ya, I made a whole thread about it!

Rokien Vision v1.0- Hasn't been updated since 2001!

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Originally Posted by rution19

They are totally getting rid of xp parties? Not even making it an option? I would rather xp grind w/ horrible penalties involved than be forced to follow the linear quest formula. So can I have confirmation they are getting rid of xp parties? I do remember reading some crap about questing xp I just didn't think they were going to abolish our ability to choose.

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See Rokien, this is what happens when you post your BS.

Please apologise and put a disclaimer in your OP.

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Originally Posted by Dawiichan

Rokien Vision v1.0- Hasn't been updated since 2001!

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Sorry, I'm just a realist. I can play any single player game if I wanted to have a linear gameplay. Heck Morrowind has more adventure than 2.0

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Originally Posted by Rokien

I'm 100% sure that yoshi said "MOB FARMING AND GRINDING ISN'T GOING TO WORK IN 2.0"

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Im 100% sure he said its wont be AS EFFECTIVE, it would still work.

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Originally Posted by rution19

They are totally getting rid of xp parties? Not even making it an option? I would rather xp grind w/ horrible penalties involved than be forced to follow the linear quest formula. So can I have confirmation they are getting rid of xp parties? I do remember reading some crap about questing xp I just didn't think they were going to abolish our ability to choose.

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Unless you're an instance abolitionist, you can xp party inside dungeons. Yoshida also said he was going to make leveling content for different party sizes (specifically said that you won't be able to level up through just 1 aspect).

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Hello again, it's me Rokien! So with Reinheart's translation, my initial worry was correct!

"Yes, when you first reach a area by following the “!” (Exclamation mark) it leads to another ! We are currently making those links."

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We already have that now...

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Originally Posted by Picoman

See Rokien, this is what happens when you post your BS.

Please apologise and put a disclaimer in your OP.

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Sorry but they are getting rid of exp parties.

"Completing the quests, getting rewards, huge experience points, or completing a dungeon and getting experience points, that's going to be the key thing to level up your character, not like at the moment where you have to do monster camping or farming, that's not going to work in 2.0."

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Originally Posted by Renen

Im 100% sure he said its wont be AS EFFECTIVE, it would still work.

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"Completing the quests, getting rewards, huge experience points, or completing a dungeon and getting experience points, that's going to be the key thing to level up your character, not like at the moment where you have to do monster camping or farming, that's not going to work in 2.0."

"that's not going to work"

"NOT GOING TO WORK"

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Sorry but they are getting rid of exp parties.

"Completing the quests, getting rewards, huge experience points, or completing a dungeon and getting experience points, that's going to be the key thing to level up your character, not like at the moment where you have to do monster camping or farming, that's not going to work in 2.0."

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You get experience while in a party when you enter a dungeon. The possibilities!!!

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Originally Posted by Dawiichan

You get experience while in a party when you enter a dungeon. The possibilities!!!

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OH MY GOSH INSTANCED CONTENT! YOU MEAN IT'S GOING TO NOW BE A LOBBY GAME! FUN!


So lobby game with little open world, with a linear quest system.

http://i47.tinypic.com/euqblx.jpg

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Originally Posted by rution19

They are totally getting rid of xp parties? Not even making it an option? I would rather xp grind w/ horrible penalties involved than be forced to follow the linear quest formula. So can I have confirmation they are getting rid of xp parties? I do remember reading some crap about questing xp I just didn't think they were going to abolish our ability to choose.

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It's probably true. I read that killing quest mobs wouldnt give much exp while on the quest, and killing non exp mobs wouldnt give good exp either, and most exp comes from quest rewards. Hence, quest is most efficient and most practical way to level. I think they purposely designed it so only quest gives good exp. From what theyve said in translations anyway.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Sorry but they are getting rid of exp parties.

"Completing the quests, getting rewards, huge experience points, or completing a dungeon and getting experience points, that's going to be the key thing to level up your character, not like at the moment where you have to do monster camping or farming, that's not going to work in 2.0."

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Ok, now put a disclaimer in that post also. They are not removing the ability to make an exp party. It has even been said that it will be an option in the group/content finder.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

"Completing the quests, getting rewards, huge experience points, or completing a dungeon and getting experience points, that's going to be the key thing to level up your character, not like at the moment where you have to do monster camping or farming, that's not going to work in 2.0."

"that's not going to work"

"NOT GOING TO WORK"

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Unless we get 0xp for killing a monster, I still think people will be able to lvl with that.
Quests will just be way way faster