Class Rework - Wishlist

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White Mage
1. Fire stupid person cannot count two three we have a Glare-Glare III and Holy to Holy III ok question is where is holy 2 and glare 2. clearly someone dun goofed here. cant count to 3 proparly
2. look you need decide what type of healer white mage is not its noob friendly healer isn't good answer we have way too many heals and are hotbar/crosshot bar isnt static meaning if we did dailies are crossbar/hotbars are shifting main problem here is
3. have not seen how are skills look in are spell list. it looks broken like something ripped out removed instead of fixed. we give long list those abilities you snatched away from white mage spell list like aero III needed be removed

Cure 1, Free Cure, Medica and Plenary Indulgence these spells are not really needed however the game forces you use them when use dailies its frustrating what it is we went from cast time healing to ogcd heals with lily system not mention we dont really need heal the tanks they can do that themselves turning us into glorified glare mage watch is terrible game design.

also questing experience as while mage is completely off. something doesnt feel right at all.

Warrior
1. Fire the Person that decided make a basic job have same power-level if more so then limited job. this class is broken right now your basically healer, the dps and tank. dont need anyone. (thats bad class design)
2. ask yourself this what do think most likely do. give healers more dps opinions or nerf warrior ummm I wonder. no instead of that lets nerf machinist and buff warrior like you did 7.2 like they really needed that nerf i mean come on! just mind blown how bad that move was

Dark Knight
1. Fire the person that desided to make dark knight into a tank that cant even tank trash mobs correctly . you are glorified dps. is as squishy as black mage trying tank. seriously have not seen amount of damage they take when they wall to wall. fact there best support tank says it all caise no one want one of these main tanking ever. cause there garbage not even players fault. but the get tbn? so? what level do they get that? still doesnt change fact that they are worst tank in the game. when comes to doing basic content.
2. alot people want most basic monsters to do more damage. so healers can actually feel like there healing, do keep in mind dark knights as squishy as a mage , rip dark knight if they do that being a glass cannon and a tank tell me how that works? contradicts what a tank so post to do


Ranged DPS
1. Fire the person who thought those support skills that range dps have are anything good. whole lot of them are terrible do know what you do when play ranged dps spam that red speed button over and over and over and over over. rest of those abilities don't go on your hot bar cant there garbage (please have mercy on your ranged dps players make that run speed a toggle so they dont have keep pressing it i dont know 500 times in single dungeon)
2. they are balancing nightmare. how many times see this buff/nerf between the jobs dancers too rng heavy bard doing damage eww no bard playing songs afk in city yes and mch sighs 7.2 its garbage 7.3 not much better. little but still garbage. the balance team sure cant make up there mind about these jobs cause
3. how can expect them add new ranged dps job when they cant even fix the ones they do have role skills of ranged dps need a complete rework and do something with mch we mch becomes so bad ppl call it "f around and find out job" you clearly messing up
4. hate break it to you but no ranged dps is ever like "WoW! 40% heavy. am really excited to use this ability" "-_- please get real its slop

Caster DPS
1 Fire the person that desided release this job mid expansion. and tied it to scholar and made awful choices like keeping summoner summon 3 only class or create 2 bahamuts 1 pheonix thought that good job design. or old summoner where you needed 50 button rotation to deal mid level damage. i they are both terrible. as long class called summon-er it needs be able to summons it franchizes signiture summons look am not dev so you figure it out. but for love god get ride of all egis for god sake awful look at absolute disgrace to whole final fantasy series as a whole. if your looking for inspiration just copy and paste ff11 summoner in ff14 style
2. why is this class still linked to scholar promised undo that long time ago. sometimes think devs are like kids dont like clean up there room hate the words clean. polish cause class design in this game seems very brain dead

Scholar
what is this job man? seriously you took away all scholars favorite dps toys. there not even real healer. in fact they struggle cause lack any form of muscle. unless they crit. losing lot of there damage abilities destroyed who they were. and selene and eos just basically the same taking up space for another ability. this is a shield healer it has to compete with sage on who is better shield healer. cause lack of damage you do sage should out do your or is more fun. could just give them maisma and maisma II and shadow back. at least people dot mage fantasy everyone craving for and its not a summoner

this job needs a full rework this job needs fine polish. your glorified combo healer that uses series of effects to get the decent amount of effect if only healer pushes more buttons then you is asta still asta gets better results then you even thou they aren't a shield healer they can still shield heal

question is what is a shielder healer SE cause you haven't really explained to us the player base what that is and its limits cause honestly this needs be addressed cause its not fair to compare scholar to white mage and astrogian cause there in there own lane. well sage beats it by long shot.

Please elaborate on Dark Knight being squishy, because I fail to see where. I can easily pull w2w without dropping too low or too fast. So uh....huh?? If we're talking about these TBN-only DRK then I can agree tho.

i like how you can tell if someones bad at the game based entirely on their dark knight opinions.

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Originally Posted by MiaBlaze-Cari

Please elaborate on Dark Knight being squishy, because I fail to see where. I can easily pull w2w without dropping too low or too fast. So uh....huh?? If we're talking about these TBN-only DRK then I can agree tho.

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that depends what part of the game your at. when every other job got decent cooldowns got shafted in that regard. if your max level sure but if your levesynced your gutted. all every tanks outside of support skills got decent cooldowns. what did you get? again and at what level, end up pulling from start to boss earlier and before healer has use all there all there abilities including benediction keep you alive + burn there mp pool not being able cast single holy without popping swift cast to do it. but then high chance you die. can cause you cant handle that many mobs at once. when other tanks can do it just fine


best way to explain it is. this if white mage or any other healer cannot cast a single aoe ability is forced to heal bot anyway. then yah. things are bad. all healer should be able to cast at least 1-2 aoes before tanks any time of healing. sorry you just cant

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Originally Posted by Oizen

i like how you can tell if someones bad at the game based entirely on their dark knight opinions.

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do not mistake healers heals as dark knights personal cooldowns

I like how you point out SCH needs to be reworked because of SGE’s power………but SCH is so much stronger than it to the point it’s arguably the most unbalanced pairing of any two classes in the same role in the game

Like SGE is barely clearing WHM for second weakest healer

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

I like how you point out SCH needs to be reworked because of SGE’s power………but SCH is so much stronger than it to the point it’s arguably the most unbalanced pairing of any two classes in the same role in the game

Like SGE is barely clearing WHM for second weakest healer

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we talkin about damage most scholars what there dots back. and again what is difference between shield healing and pure healing why did they split them two different groups there has be difference between them starting with they have more damage buttons. think its mostly cause alot people just bad at playing sage. cause on my main had no issue healing with a sage mind you manage to clear. its a skill issue and how sage was designed to be played. also game doesnt evolve around purely clear speed

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Originally Posted by HanakoTheGoth

we talkin about damage most scholars what there dots back. and again what is difference between shield healing and pure healing there has be a difference there not the same. they shouldnt be locked with dps rotation they have

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SCH is also higher in damage, I agree SCH’s damage options are boring but SGE’s are as well, SGE isn’t a good example here because all its extra damage options are just conditional use neutral damage, it’s still dosis spamming

Healer rotations should be better but complexity of rotation shouldn’t be locked to shield vs regen healers

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Originally Posted by HanakoTheGoth

that depends what part of the game your at. when every other job got decent cooldowns got shafted in that regard. if your max level sure but if your levesynced your gutted. all every tanks outside of support skills got decent cooldowns. what did you get? again and at what level, end up pulling from start to boss earlier and before healer has use all there all there abilities including benediction keep you alive + burn there mp pool not being able cast single holy without popping swift cast to do it. but then high chance you die. can cause you cant handle that many mobs at once. when other tanks can do it just fine


best way to explain it is. this if white mage or any other healer cannot cast a single aoe ability is forced to heal bot anyway. then yah. things are bad. all healer should be able to cast at least 1-2 aoes before tanks any time of healing. sorry you just cant

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Originally Posted by HanakoTheGoth

do not mistake healers heals as dark knights personal cooldowns

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This... Really just sounds like a skill issue. The universal cooldowns, shadow wall and dark mind is pretty much all I ever need in dungeon pulls- all of which you get pre level 50. Up to level 60 you also get abyssal drain which is pretty much a full hp restore every minute on w2ws. Once you get to level 90+ content you just stack oblation with whatever smaller cooldowns you're using, and if you think you're going to die due to an inattentive healer, living dead will set you right more times than not.

Warrior has even LESS mit until they get raw intuition and equalibrium at 56 and 58, and even then, raw intuition (and by extension, bloodwhetting) is just a faster cooldown abyssal drain- showing how overtuned warrior's healing is.
Gunbreaker is much the same- with slightly more reliance on a healer to cover for you.
Paladin in fact has it worst off for mit, really only having Sentinel/Guardian, bulwark and sheltron- and I don't even have bulwark on my hotbars. Paladin makes up for this with it's additive damage reduction on passage of arms at higher levels for party mit.

I really don't get where the idea that DRK is 'bad at low levels with it's mit options' comes from. Few too many TBN-Knights I guess?

As Supersnow845 mentions, scholar is probably the strongest healer in the game in terms of raw output, only stopped by the jankiness of it's kit. I'll take a bad sage over a bad scholar any day, but a good sage vs a good scholar? No question, it's the scholar I'm taking.

Besides that, I don't really have anything else to say about your wishlist- besides Plenary Indulgence being good.

Almost doubling your medica 3 immediate healing, and a 50% boost to any afflatus rapture heals on a one minute cooldown is apparently bad... I mean, it is, in terms of the other healers, but for white mage at least.

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Originally Posted by Seraph_Variel

This... Really just sounds like a skill issue. The universal cooldowns, shadow wall and dark mind is pretty much all I ever need in dungeon pulls- all of which you get pre level 50. Up to level 60 you also get abyssal drain which is pretty much a full hp restore every minute on w2ws. Once you get to level 90+ content you just stack oblation with whatever smaller cooldowns you're using, and if you think you're going to die due to an inattentive healer, living dead will set you right more times than not.

Warrior has even LESS mit until they get raw intuition and equalibrium at 56 and 58, and even then, raw intuition (and by extension, bloodwhetting) is just a faster cooldown abyssal drain- showing how overtuned warrior's healing is.
Gunbreaker is much the same- with slightly more reliance on a healer to cover for you.
Paladin in fact has it worst off for mit, really only having Sentinel/Guardian, bulwark and sheltron- and I don't even have bulwark on my hotbars. Paladin makes up for this with it's additive damage reduction on passage of arms at higher levels for party mit.

I really don't get where the idea that DRK is 'bad at low levels with it's mit options' comes from. Few too many TBN-Knights I guess?

As Supersnow845 mentions, scholar is probably the strongest healer in the game in terms of raw output, only stopped by the jankiness of it's kit. I'll take a bad sage over a bad scholar any day, but a good sage vs a good scholar? No question, it's the scholar I'm taking.

Besides that, I don't really have anything else to say about your wishlist- besides Plenary Indulgence being good.

Almost doubling your medica 3 immediate healing, and a 50% boost to any afflatus rapture heals on a one minute cooldown is apparently bad... I mean, it is, in terms of the other healers, but for white mage at least.

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Jankieness of there kit reason why they are getting reworked in 8.0 also about plenary indulgence sure alright however is it needed no. you easily heal whole raid up without it. have tools to do it. sometimes it overheals more then heals cause sure output of healing you do with over all healing aoe kit it feels like overkill

Since when is SCH getting reworked in 8.0.

And some of us view said “jankiness” as intentional class design. Healing should have downsides. If you just want to vomit out all your OGCD’s with zero downside then SGE is right there

Why do people Continuously want SCH to just be another SGE, SCH is the only job that even pretends like jobs existed pre 5.0 and it’s healthy playrate shows there is nothing wrong with that

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Since when is SCH getting reworked in 8.0.

And some of us view said “jankiness” as intentional class design. Healing should have downsides. If you just want to vomit out all your OGCD’s with zero downside then SGE is right there

Why do people Continuously want SCH to just be another SGE, SCH is the only job that even pretends like jobs existed pre 5.0 and it’s healthy playrate shows there is nothing wrong with that

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tell that to summon-er players that want turn a class that is well loved into a modern day wow warlock clone


why do summoners what turn summoner into class it is not? pretty anwsered your own question there

My Wishlist:
1. Do not touch Monk
2. Do not touch Monk
3. Do not touch Monk

That is all, thank you.

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Originally Posted by HanakoTheGoth

that depends what part of the game your at. when every other job got decent cooldowns got shafted in that regard. if your max level sure but if your levesynced your gutted. all every tanks outside of support skills got decent cooldowns. what did you get? again and at what level, end up pulling from start to boss earlier and before healer has use all there all there abilities including benediction keep you alive + burn there mp pool not being able cast single holy without popping swift cast to do it. but then high chance you die. can cause you cant handle that many mobs at once. when other tanks can do it just fine


best way to explain it is. this if white mage or any other healer cannot cast a single aoe ability is forced to heal bot anyway. then yah. things are bad. all healer should be able to cast at least 1-2 aoes before tanks any time of healing. sorry you just cant

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I have to disagree on that one. Dark Knight's mitigations are fine, imo it's effectively the only tank that still needs some brain usage when it comes to mitigation management while the others are like "hehe self heal go brrrr": Pld with the innate heal on Holy Spirit and Holy Circle (tho only from level 84+), Gnb with Aurora and Heart of Corundum (Level 82+) and War effectively by it's sole existence as soon as Raw Intuition is unlocked. Also before TBN (aka anything below 70) you still have access to strong mitigations and heck even Dark Mind is now more useful than it was before since it will still provide a damage reduction even if it is not magic damage. If you're still "squishy" below 70 with Rampart, Reprisal, Arm's Length, Dark Mind, Shadow Wall and Abyssal Drain (which is essentially a free heal) then I dunno...
To me it sounds like you're way too dependent on TBN and/or can't handle proper mitigation management and therefor this is your impression of Drk.

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Originally Posted by HanakoTheGoth

do not mistake healers heals as dark knights personal cooldowns

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If you don't want to actively heal at all you should play DPS instead.


Overall this sounds to me like you're just complaining that Drk has not enough self-heal while you also complain about War having too much self-heal and therefor being "useless" as a healer which is kind of hypocritical to me.
To put it as politely as possible: If you don't want to heal or just rarely want to heal so you can spam your shiny holy then healer might not be the role you're suited for. Pick up Dps instead then you don't have to heal at all and you can fully do damage.

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Originally Posted by Sunhwapark

My Wishlist:
1. Do not touch Monk
2. Do not touch Monk
3. Do not touch Monk

That is all, thank you.

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Mood...

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Originally Posted by HanakoTheGoth

Jankieness of there kit reason why they are getting reworked in 8.0 also about plenary indulgence sure alright however is it needed no. you easily heal whole raid up without it. have tools to do it. sometimes it overheals more then heals cause sure output of healing you do with over all healing aoe kit it feels like overkill

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Is plenary needed? No, but it's still a tool in your kit that cuts the amount of GCD healing you need, which means you get to pump more dps, for better or worse.
Also, stop claiming things as if you're certain- you still haven't provided any proof for the claims you made in your other thread of '100% confirmed changes for 8.0'

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Originally Posted by HanakoTheGoth

tell that to summon-er players that want turn a class that is well loved into a modern day wow warlock clone


why do summoners what turn summoner into class it is not? pretty anwsered your own question there

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Older Summoner players want Shadowbringers (or prior) summoner back because it's the only job that played the way it did, even if it wasn't thematic. Now we have a flashy and thematic but shallow as a puddle job in it's place. They cared about the playstyle, and when they complain about how their job got shot out behind the shed, they got told to play in the kiddie pool with their new toys, and not complain when their old ones get taken away.

I can't take anyone seriously who's starting line to any sentence is "Fire the person...".

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Originally Posted by HanakoTheGoth

do not mistake healers heals as dark knights personal cooldowns

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me when the game about partying with 4-8 people requires working with others