There Should Be Penalties for One Team to Throw the Match to the Other Team

Just came from a slaughterfest. I was on Team Yellow when first we got hit by Team Red. Then we got hit by Team Blue. After Team Red built up half way to the win, Team Blue all of a sudden just started helping Team Red by attacking only Team Yellow even though we only had about 50 points. It was a constant barrage of Team Blue attacking only us on one front and throwing themselves at Team Red for easy kills.

There should be a penalty for this kind of play. Two teams against one the entire match, while the second place team feeds the first place team on the side is unfair. This is just flat out cheating.

Yeah, that's not gonna happen. You can't patch/balance/punish Player Mentality or Ban for whatever stupid straits people cook up in their minds when its an open mode like that, plus its Frontlines, not the most high stakes thing to lose at.

Would it be cool if people didn't practically fight for second place than to beat at first, but you're fighting 48 other people and sometimes even more if your team is doing stupid things, but that's the name of the game for Co-op games let alone PvP games.

It's just mob mentality. Haha let's curbstomp the losing team into the negative numbers for the lols. Frontline has always had that and probably always will.

that's actually not true.... i was playing pvp last year an it was never an issue if ever. the only time a team went after another team was when it was one team going after the team that was currently in the lead trying to stop or slow down the progress of them winning. this new stuff of people straight up bullying one team at the start then throwing for the team they aren't fighting is definitely something new. i have had three matches just today 2 on adders an 1 on flames an all 3 times it was either flames or maelstrom throwing for each other then anytime adders got points mael or flames would sneak up behind with our backs turned an annihilate adders dropping us back down to almost no points. while yes this is a sort of tactic it's underhanded and cowardly when you need to have a whole battalion sneak up and massacre 4 people just to steal a node like what?!? another common occurrence I'm seeing is people not caring for team work an running off thinking they are the main character who's edgy like they think they are Sukuna and diving headlong into a battleon of enemy players only to die in 5 seconds and then repeat the same thing again just to throw or have the attitude or playstyle of throwing for the quick points. the devs need to start punishing the playstyle of toxic players who do this because it becomes unfair for people who want or trying to win.....and while yes its not always about winning it's intentionally throwing to the enemy team just because someone is impatient like please if you have somewhere to be or you know your on a set schedule then leave the game and come back when you know your free to play and don't have important irl stuff to do. while i do agree this has a aspect of mentality it's the toxic people who say chill or its not that serious are usually the ones throwing. another thing i noticed that wasnt an issue is the mentality of farming battle high...... this constant need to max out the battle high gage for few extra damage an healing does nothing if you die it's players who also i've seen running away but have no issue ganking 1-4 players with a party of 6-10 players but wont engage someone in a fair 1v1 or will run away at low hp in the battlefield because they don't want to lose their precious rank V of battle high i can't count how many times i've almost killed someone with rank V battle high only for them to turn around an run away like a coward but then turn around to go back for round 2 when its only 1 person or someone is far enough away from a group.

I am even willing to bet that wasn't their intention and they had some shouting in Alliance chat to stop being dumb.

Cause that is the usual Frontline room temperature IQ at play.
People will constantly do that to feel like they don't suck by chasing after easy kills and get stomped when the enemy is even barely coordinated.

I have shouted in Alliance chat so many times cause 4 people chased after 1 single perosn all the way into their base and of course got killed.

Long story short:
Most people in Frontline are absolute morons.

First off, experienced players will often identify a weak team and farm them for battle high. If your team lost a fight with a pinched enemy or repeatedly ran from fights, you essentially advertised that ya'll are the punks to steal on and that's on you.

In other cases, when team x decides team z is gonna win, they will focus team y relentlessly because they want to fight for second place. I despise people who play this way honestly. Team y might be thinking "we gotta focus team z but team x won't quit". Team z then sips tea at their nodes until they win.

I hesitated to say this here for fear of getting in trouble, but the entire Frontlines experience essentially boils down to being beholden to the stupidity of others. Sometimes that stupidity benefits you, sometimes it costs you the match. You are one player out of 72 present so your skill alone is not that impactful when compared to node rng and what i can obly describe as the "stupidity factor". While some matches are decided by your team's overall skill, the vast majority will be determined by these other two factors.

I had a guy standing near the wall other day when we called him out he claimed he was stuck and we told him to return he was throwing and we still curb stomped the other alliances.

in CC there was this hrothgar that kept quing in and standing at the gate it was so annoying we reported the hell outta him xD

that said you can report them for lethargic gameplay and that's what me and mine's did.

how do you report them when you can't inspect the enemy team players?

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Originally Posted by GabrielDarkheart

how do you report them when you can't inspect the enemy team players?

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Target the player,
/echo <t>
It'll tell you who it is.

For the love of- Really? (No, not really. 95% sure this is sockpuppet bait) There are several other possible reasons why 2nd place goes after 3rd place. The most common being proximity (of space or objectives) and lethal tunnel vision. Then you can have people doing it for the easy kills, ignorance, monkey-see-monkey-do, to outright spite. Pick one, I've seen them all. And FYI, the amount of times I've seen 2nd or 3rd place pick dumb fights with the other losing team only to turn around later and become annoyed that "they're not helping us attack 1st, they're throwing!" is astronomically high. Sometimes all it takes is as little as 4 people harassing a team at their respawn to cause them to tunnel you for the rest of the game no matter who is winning.

You want a penalty? We have one, it's called losing. You don't get a Commander's Coat or Construct mount by losing. Or are you referring to creating tomestone penalties? That ship has sailed so far as 1st/2nd/3rd having varying rewards; they won't touch that with a 10ft pole. And just how would anyone go about creating a system distinguishing when a team is "throwing" out of spite or legit bad objective locations forcing them into conflict? Maybe kills against last place players deducting points? Give me a break.

And who calls this cheating? What, you'd play Mario Kart with your friends and when one of them doesn't think they can win and starts to grief you, you turn to the person in the lead and say "you're cheating!"?

:rolleyes:

Honestly most of the time teams at least on EU in my experience do the proper decision to go after the leading team especially when pinged in alliance chat. But sometimes, like yesterday in one of the games I had, it's literally the map and the mode that was constantly working against us: the map kept spawning one node in Seal Rock just between the two losing teams (ours and the 2nd in score), while it kept feeding the leading team with 2 nodes among which one was S rank... The one node in the middle of the two losing team acted as a gigantic bait to keep both busy fighting each other instead of telling them to go fight the winner while the winner grew incredibly fat.

I actually do thing rng is healthy in the game mode, so I don't know what else could be done against this, but perhaps favoring S rank nodes on Seal Rock and Onsal between the losing teams would be better than adding one for free to the leading team. One thing that can also push teams to fight the winner is to have nodes spawn only between the winner and the losing teams, and none between the losing team.

Maybe it would be rigging the game too much though, for essentially I do believe at least on EU (Light) people target the proper teams in the majority of times. So perhaps that's just a player problem, but it can be compounded by bad node spawns.

This idea needs to be buried.

Playing for second is infuriating. However, playing for second is not a crime and therefore should not be a penalty. It's a skill issue on one side that can't deal with it, and it's a mentality issue on the other side that's choosing to play like this. I cannot find another way of saying this. How is that any different from the 2 teams bullying the 3rd party, keeping the competition close between themselves, and blaming the 3rd party (who's mentality is most likely broken and the overall morale close to nonexistent) from one of the losing teams? If you see that the second place team is ready to send you into the shadow realms, you as a team need to act accordingly and find a way to punish them for trying it. I don't see that happening any time soon though for various reasons.

Spitepushing has been in frontlines for as long as i've played it. With regulars it's usually going after the same opposing group. For casuals it gets triggered by minute things. For some people one push on them is enough to trigger them focussing you the entire game. Others are more sensible. Some get better with time and stop doing the "we don't like the colour yellow" meme, or "lets fight yellow for the 2nd place". This happens sometimes.

Saying all that knowing who the weak team are is useful in building BH, and isn't cheating. If they manage to balance building BH off of the weak team and then get the lead - it's a viable strategy. However, if over focussed it can backfire that 3rd place is hunting you the rest of the game.
In an ideal world 3rd place can lock in and build off of 1st and 2nd place fighting each other to control more of the map and leverage a lead - this happens quite often when I solo lead "weak" teams. They, in theory, shouldn't be both teams' target whilst being in 3rd. If they do, it's usually because your team is VERY weak so it's faster than capping nodes.

I somewhat address this in my thread i started earlier this year.
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...d-or-3rd-place

everyone who says that match throwing doesn't happen is outing themselves as someone part of the discord servers that are part of the match throwing, they try to gaslight us into thinking it doesn't happen

It also happens due to "spite" of many players. People in frontline regularly do emotes on your dead body or if they feel that you targeted them too much they think its "personal affair". So now those players will always try to catch your team regardless if its a lose to them.