Stars are not Planets

Because of the upcoming new Cosmic Exploration, it is more important now than ever to do a find-and-replace of all instances of "star" when used to refer to a "planet."

You can let Urianger do it, as it is in-character for him and his "ye olde" dialog tic, and he is now an Astrologian main.

But for gods sake, there is no reason people in Tural and especially not Alexandrians and Lopporits can't get basic astronomical terminology correct.

This is a star:

https://images.nationalgeographic.or...-m66-flare.jpg

This is a planet:

https://assets.science.nasa.gov/dyna...s%2Cfocalpoint

Please fix it. This is actively confusing and not helpful to new players trying to understand the game's lore. No language besides English does this in their dialog.

While your at it, purge all usages of "Repast" from Dawntrail. If someone with no knowledge of Middle English has to Google it you shouldn't use it in your game.

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Originally Posted by Freedom4556

No language besides English does this in their dialog.

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Calling a planet a "star" is common in Japanese entertainment, so I would be very surprised if the Japanese dialog doesn't do this.

In Japanese, the word for "star" (hoshi) is used broadly to refer to all celestial bodies, sometimes including the Sun, the Moon, and the Earth, and sometimes excluding them. In scientific contexts, more specific terms such as "fixed star" are used instead.

Venus is a planet, not a star, yet it is called the evening star or the morning star. Likewise, a meteoroid is not a star, but it is called a shooting star.

Y'all need to fire your editor, seriously. You updated the 7.3 special site and it's not even grammatically correct:

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The Cosmic Exploration Initiative is ready to make its first great hop into the cosmos, setting its sights on star of Phaenna. Join the crew to help transform the crystalline landscape into a bustling new base of operations!

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Originally Posted by Rongway

Calling a planet a "star" is common in Japanese entertainment, so I would be very surprised if the Japanese dialog doesn't do this.

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Originally Posted by Mikoko_Miko

In Japanese, the word for "star" (hoshi) is used broadly to refer to all celestial bodies, sometimes including the Sun, the Moon, and the Earth, and sometimes excluding them. In scientific contexts, more specific terms such as "fixed star" are used instead.

Venus is a planet, not a star, yet it is called the evening star or the morning star. Likewise, a meteoroid is not a star, but it is called a shooting star.

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The Japanese, French and German localizations do not do this. The English is specifically being picked on. https://jp.finalfantasyxiv.com/dawntrail/patch_7_3/

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宇宙探査プロジェクト「コスモエクスプローラー計画」進行中！
力を合わせて完成させたムーンゲート基地から飛び立ち、新たな惑星を目指せ！

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惑星 is wakusei "planet" not 星 "star" I should not have to do the translation team's jobs for them.

My apologies. I agree that the English expression is inaccurate in the context of the quoted passage.

In the Japanese version, the word "star" (星/hoshi) is only used in the headline.

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コスモエクスプローラー 新たな星「ガラスの星 パエンナ」

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Here is a literal translation from Japanese:
Cosmo Explorer: A New Star, "Phaenna, the Glass Star"

This is the Japanese counterpart of the English below.

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Cosmic Exploration: Phaenna

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The Japanese sentence does not sound unnatural. But in this context, it should be "planet," not "star," in English, just like in the German and French versions.

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Stars are not Planets

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I wouldnt be bothered if they called planets "Wuk Lamat" if they dished out some decent, well thought out, well tested content.

You're right. According to science, a star and a planet are two different things. It would be a real problem if Final Fantasy XIV was piece of hard science fiction.
...but it's not. It's a fantasy setting that loves to use archaic terms for things, even beyond Urianger.

Historically, planets have been referred to as stars. See: Venus, the Morning Star.

As a English speaker, I am okay with them calling the planets "stars". Its not a big deal. Its been termed like that throughout the whole entire's game history. Most players understand what they mean anyway... so why care now?

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Originally Posted by DreadCrow

You're right. According to science, a star and a planet are two different things. It would be a real problem if Final Fantasy XIV was piece of hard science fiction.
...but it's not. It's a fantasy setting that loves to use archaic terms for things, even beyond Urianger.

Historically, planets have been referred to as stars. See: Venus, the Morning Star.

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To expand on this, yes modern science is the one that differentiated stars from planets, however past/old science, old astronomy, had the visible planets as "stars that wandered".
Basically, past civilizations saw that most all the lights in the night sky were "static", except some that traveled around over many day/night cycles and seasons/years, yet they referred to all those points of light as stars.
Those wandering stars were called "planasthai" by the Greeks, which evolved into today's "planet".
It wasn't till around the 1630s that planets were "main stream" called out different from stars in the then sciences.
So, in the past, all the points of lights in the night sky were stars, even though some were planets and moons (and some larger asteroids plus comets) and the rest were galaxies (and galactic clusters & nebula) and individual stars.

As FF14 exists in an alternate form of Earth, with it's inhabitants spanning the equivalent of tens of thousands of years in technological development across the various regions and races at the same time, it's not a far stretch to have ones call different celestial bodies all "stars".
So, to the OP, yes star is a valid term for a planet in FF14 megaverse.

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Originally Posted by Mireille_Bouquet

As FF14 exists in an alternate form of Earth, with it's inhabitants spanning the equivalent of tens of thousands of years in technological development across the various regions and races at the same time, it's not a far stretch to have ones call different celestial bodies all "stars".
So, to the OP, yes star is a valid term for a planet in FF14 megaverse.

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Where all this falls down is that key players in FF14 have undertaken interstellar travel. As such, the distinction between a planet and a star -- initially muddled by planet-bound observers -- would not only be very obvious to them, distinguishing the two would be a matter of considerable importance.

That said, the fact we're forced to deal with impossible day-night and seasonal cycles is probably a bigger deal.

I actually like that they use lingo not 1 for 1 in game.

It is a fantasy game, and I feel it kind of brings me into the fantasy a bit to hear them refer to it as "a star".

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

Where all this falls down is that key players in FF14 have undertaken interstellar travel. As such, the distinction between a planet and a star -- initially muddled by planet-bound observers -- would not only be very obvious to them, distinguishing the two would be a matter of considerable importance.

That said, the fact we're forced to deal with impossible day-night and seasonal cycles is probably a bigger deal.

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True, however as it's been only like maybe 2 or 3 years time from the day the level one WoL had their daydream of giant crystals until the latest patch of the DT expansion..... Not a stretch ;)

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Originally Posted by Freedom4556

惑星 is wakusei "planet" not 星 "star"

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The word for "planet" in Japanese, 惑星, is literally "confused star".

Just like some real world planet names are "Fire Star", "Water Star", "Wood Star", "Gold Star", etc.

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Please don't change fanciful and flavorful language for the sake of scientific accuracy. Not like it's actually upsetting anyone.

"Star" referring to planet is a common astrological term. "Wandering star" is a common, layman, term for a planet.

Context also would explain over the hundreds of hours of game what the characters mean when they say "star" if you're somehow not well-read enough to have encountered these fairly common terms. These aren't even archaic, literary, or even technical terms.

Only confusing to children, perhaps.

Leave the term as it is.

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Originally Posted by Freedom4556

Because of the upcoming new Cosmic Exploration, it is more important now than ever to do a find-and-replace of all instances of "star" when used to refer to a "planet."
Please fix it. This is actively confusing and not helpful to new players trying to understand the game's lore. No language besides English does this in their dialog.
While your at it, purge all usages of "Repast" from Dawntrail. If someone with no knowledge of Middle English has to Google it you shouldn't use it in your game.

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https://i.imgur.com/Mtz3oZN.png

Nope, it's not a high sci-fi game. Don't kill the immersion for the sake of punctuality.