Please Up Drop Rates of Demi-Atma.

Look, I like Grinding as much as the next guy, but YOU KNOW HOW BAD ATMA'S WERE- SE, You made the Cutscene (That I skipped because I am SO done with Open World Exploration Content- Seriously, please stop tying the relic to it in the slightest.) I thought about uninstalling the game when I heard Occult had De-Leveling AND Was going to have the relic tied to it.

Seriously, I've been playing other games because I'd rather see progress then go a WHOLE WEEK and only get ONE ATMA. A Lot of people can't no life this game even though a certain crowd seems to think they can. I don't mind OWE Content existing but it's not content for me and I don't want the relic to even step foot Into OWE content like Crescent.

I don't like games where I don't feel like I'm Progressing. Yes I am casual, but I'm not a No Lifer. SE, Increase the Drop Rate. We wanted Fates and Books in modern times- Not the drop rates that were okay in 2013/14. There's a Huge difference.

Please increase the Drop Rate to be (like) a 1 In 5 Chance instead of a Low percentile. This is torture. I think everyone can agree that we don't want an 8/12% chance for them to drop.

And FYI Yes, I HAVE been trying to even do Occult, but the enemies are just too damage spongey (Again calling back to progression) I can't even get out of Knowledge Lv 1 Yet because they don't give normal EXP/DMG rates compared to outside. It's just overall frustrating for me. I am currently KLv2. I would rather Nuke Enemies that put up with a giant cat can take out a portion of my HP while I scrape a millimeter off it's health. Like I said, if you like This, cool- treat yourself to it, but I would much rather it be detached from relics. Not saying it CAN'T have rewards for that carrot on a stick, but I've seen other posts get tired of OWE content for relic content as well with even people agreeing with me that they liked how easy the Manderville weapons were.

Increasing Drop Rate Sooner than later so that it was less of a grind (Like Manderville Weapons were) would be ideal. I think a lot of the reason people didn't like the Manderville weapons was because there was NO grind, but now there TOO MUCH Grind.

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Originally Posted by AstreMcClain

And FYI Yes, I HAVE been trying to even do Occult, but the enemies are just too damage spongey (Again calling back to progression) I can't even get out of Knowledge Lv 1 Yet because they don't give normal EXP/DMG rates compared to outside. It's just overall frustrating for me. I am currently KLv2.

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Genuinely wondering, how are you getting your EXP? Your knowledge level has nothing to do with your Phantom Job's or your Demiatma drops, so I wouldn't worry too much about it unless you want to get into the tower soon. The easiest way to get Demiatma are Critical Encounters, but the rate is fairly low. It took me like two weeks of veeeery casual play to get all the pieces I needed.


Each general "area" or civilization ruins give you a different Demiatma drop when you clear a FATE or Critical Encounter there. You can google a map with each area colored in its Demiatma color for reference, so you can avoid wasting your time going to FATEs or Critical Encounters in areas that won't drop the Demiatma you're looking for. Though, unless you already have 3 of a certain color, I'd just go to all of them anyways because it's free EXP and silver, and you'll need the silver later if you want to get any armor pieces.


I agree the drop rates feel bad, specially if you're playing with someone who has insane luck (or you just have terrible luck yourself). I wish they'd at least let us exchange the extra Demiatmas for a color we need, so we can do something with the leftover pieces.


It may be healthier to focus on leveling your Phantom Jobs and Knowledge, since that has tangible progression, and if you get a Demiatma while working on it cool, if you don't, well maybe next time... otherwise you'll drive yourself crazy.


You can also get Demiatmas outside of Occult, but the drop rates are abysmal. The best way to get them is making sure you show up to every single Critical Encounter.

You obviously really don’t like OC which is fine…….but the devs gave a way to get the relic outside of OC. So I’m not really seeing the problem here

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Originally Posted by AstreMcClain

I think a lot of the reason people didn't like the Manderville weapons was because there was NO grind, but now there TOO MUCH Grind.

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There is no perfect amount of grind that is going to make everyone happy. If it were balanced in a way that you specifically think is perfect, someone else would be complaining that it was too much/too little.

You don't need to "no life" the grind. Work on it a little here and there over time and you'll eventually finish it, which you only have to do once. After that it's just tomestones for every additional weapon.

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Originally Posted by AstreMcClain

Please increase the Drop Rate to be (like) a 1 In 5 Chance instead of a Low percentile. This is torture. I think everyone can agree that we don't want an 8/12% chance for them to drop.

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It already is a 20% chance if you're doing critical encounters. It's a 5% chance from FATEs.

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Originally Posted by AstreMcClain

YOU KNOW HOW BAD ATMA'S WERE- SE

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Atma was a 2% drop rate. In contrast, Demiatma has a 5% droprate from FATEs and a 20% droprate from CEs. So it's nothing like Atma. The droprate is completely fine and we had way more RNG on it in Shadowbringers.

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Please increase the Drop Rate to be (like) a 1 In 5 Chance instead of a Low percentile.

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It is a 1 in 5 chance (from CEs).

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SE, Increase the Drop Rate.

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SE always buff the drop rates and make the steps less work once the content starts getting old. As time goes on, they make it even less work. So if it's all the same to you, you can just wait for them to do that.

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I am SO done with Open World Exploration Content- Seriously, please stop tying the relic to it in the slightest.)

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The alternative is doing old content like farming Crystal Tower. This was a common complaint in Heavensward, so they combined the relic (which had no unique content associated with it) with a content type that lacked much purpose (Diadem) and this resulted in Eureka.

You said you like grinds as much as the next person but it really doesn't seem like it. The whole point of relics is they are earned. If you don't want to do that, then you have plenty of other options: buy a weapon from the market board, farm EX4, or get the tomestone or savage weapon.

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even people agreeing with me that they liked how easy the Manderville weapons were.

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If people liked how easy those were, the good news is they can go to the Market Board and buy a crafted weapon. It takes barely a moment. If they don't have the gil, they can get it about as quickly as they got the tomestones in Endwalker, if not faster.

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I thought about uninstalling the game when I heard Occult had De-Leveling

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You do something like 1 CE and 2 FATEs to level again. It's not even a serious penalty. Your reduced level barely impacts anything because your power is the same regardless. I think you seriously overestimate how much level matters - level is just a visual illusion for the most part.

Want to know what happens if I die while solo gold farming? I return, delevel, and resume farming despite having lost a level... I just don't care.

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Seriously, I've been playing other games because I'd rather see progress then go a WHOLE WEEK and only get ONE ATMA.

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If you only got 1 then I assume you didn't do any CEs. The droprate from CEs is so high that you can't do them for 1 (3 hour) session and only get 1. That's just not believable. I usually got one every other CE.

I'm alright if they remove the RNG and make it a static grind but then the static grind would have to be a much higher amount of Atma ie. 100 Atma.

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I can't even get out of Knowledge Lv 1 Yet because they don't give normal EXP/DMG rates compared to outside.

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They mean for you to farm CEs and FATEs. You can do that by attuning to all the aethernets and completing the quests.

Then use Occult Return and camp the Atheryte, look at the map (M) to see when a FATE or CE appears, then go to the nearest Aethernet and travel by mount to it. I recommend typing /shout lfg to make sure you get max EXP credit. After you beat the FATE or CE, I recommend you type /return and repeat these steps

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

You obviously really don’t like OC which is fine…….but the devs gave a way to get the relic outside of OC. So I’m not really seeing the problem here

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Which was another point of contentious debate, wherein the main argument was that it was too easy to get the relic after completing the demiatma step. It's good to have an alternative to grinding the weapon, but they should have tied that step more closely to the OC content instead of having it done outside of OC.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

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I agreed with Jeeq.


You can complete the ATMAS with a reduced rate from fates (aswell as work on shared fate or make gil) or you can do OC at an increased rate and work on jobs and K.Level.

At max K.level there's farms for gil aswell in which I have made over 200M gil from casually.

Once your ATMAS are done you pay Helio tomes for the rest and poetic next expansion. I would understand people moaning if all of them cost ATMAS.

From what you've said about your Knowledge Level you need to do the following:

Unlock the teleports -> complete fates -> do critical events. This increases your knowledge level and powers up your jobs and in turn provides a permanent damage up buff for each job maxed while in the zone. Moaning whilst not doing these makes you sound spoiled.

I seriously don't understand why people are moaning when they haven't even engaged with the systems. You may have a little time to play but saying you have to 'No life' the ATMA step is beyond a joke. You have till the next expansion to slowly progress the grind step..

Having everything handed out like candy is not the way to go at all like it was in EW and as Jeeq said there are other alternatives.

Anyway, I think FF needs more grinds to retain players because as it stands now, ppl have no reason to log in outside of daily / weekly / social groups etc and therefore in my opinion, this is why SE are losing players.

At the end of the day, this is a MMO you can't have everything unless you put some effort in.

The biggest problem is that the Verdigris demiatma only has one CE it can drop from. It was the step I got stuck on, and it's the step a friend of mine is now stuck on.

I had to suck it up and go to Kozomauqa to farm it. I got the three I needed in about two hours of FATE farming there.

I wouldn't have any issues with these low drop rates, but what makes this incredibly tedious and boring is:

- Doing same thing over and over just to grind something. It's not fun to do fates over and over.
- Knowing that devs are actively trying to make the game repulsive for everyone.

funfact, the droprate is confirmed 20% :D

Is the point you're trying to make that the grind takes too much time, or that basing the system on rng is terrible?

Ultimately on the first point, the people that love the content the most will be happy with a grind that takes time, while the people that hate it will be extremely displeased.
On the second point, I think most people think it's awful, so you're preaching to the church.

You're still Knowledge Level 2? Why are you fighting regular enemies? They don't even drop anything interesting aside a few gold pieces. Outside of the initial quest that requires you to hunt a few, you should be leveling by doing CEs and FATEs. Try to run past enemies on the way as they'll likely destroy you... and if you do die then just ask for a res as people are more than happy to help someone out.

The droprate is low, but at least it's only a one-time quest. ARR and HW relics were far more grindy.

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Originally Posted by Espon

You're still Knowledge Level 2? Why are you fighting regular enemies? They don't even drop anything interesting aside a few gold pieces. Outside of the initial quest that requires you to hunt a few, you should be leveling by doing CEs and FATEs. Try to run past enemies on the way as they'll likely destroy you... and if you do die then just ask for a res as people are more than happy to help someone out.

The droprate is low, but at least it's only a one-time quest. ARR and HW relics were far more grindy.

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Agreed totally.

People like OP that expect everything just by logging in really confuse me.

You love the game? It's run on a subscription model that keeps your game running..

If ppl have nothing to do or work for then they get bored. Subscriptions go down - game goes into maintenance mode.

Your getting more updates in the mogstore than updates? (Which is happening) I wonder why.

Vieras and Hroth getting hats in 7.3? Bet you don't get a free Fanta in 7.3 bevause it's a business move for PR and money from Fantasia.

I enjoy grinds they keep me engaged as a player. I used to play Runescape many moons ago when it was a browser game.. I know a grind)

They tried to make the best of both worlds with this first step which I respect. A grind for the first step and casual after.. I get it.

When they do something like they did in realm reborn launch relics and have you grind fates for a 2% drop and fill books etc then you can complain.

The atmas are nothing compared to those grinds.

You can easily do this before 8.0. I see no problem.

I'm just praying they find a balance because they annoy one side or another.

I'm also praying they find put what they want to do with this game apart from annoying both camps and losing money. (But that's another story)

The problem isn't even the drop rate. It's that you have no agency over which atma you're working on in OC. They just copy pasted the bozja relic step into OC where it didn't belong. You just have to sit around and wait for the game to spawn a CE/Fate in the zone you need.

OC is just poorly thought out in general. The meat of the content is good, but its all ruined by some other bizarre design decision.

There should really be some protection against bad luck. I am at 127 CEs and hundreds fates including 264 in OC with only 14 Atma. Since I was missing the Verdigris and the Malachite only, I tried farming in Koza and Yak’tel: I was at zero fates, I now not only got the fate achievements (mininum 60 fates per zone), I’ve capped my gems 2 times after that. Not a single drop in days. Going back to OC is just waiting forever as only one fate and one CE can spawn at a time and they tend to be in the wrong areas. There is zero fun in doing this and it’s completely discouraging.

Edit: one finally dropped but it took hundreds of fates since the previous one. 3 to go. This is way below the announced drop rates.

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Originally Posted by ChaunceyDlamini

The problem isn't even the drop rate. It's that you have no agency over which atma you're working on in OC.

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Fairly early on, it was figured out that each general zone of OC drops a different Atma color. You can find a map for each color, and if a FATE or CE pops in an area you're not interested in, it's a good time to take a snack break while waiting for the next to spawn. I ended up doing that for my last Atmas (which where unfortunately in the Skalla region) so I mostly just hunted for chests and engaged in CEs while waiting for any Skalla FATEs or CEs to spawn. It helps break up the grind a little imo, though it'd be much nicer if they just let us trade in the extra shards we get from engaging in everything we can.

I've spent so much time in the South Horn several days. I've only managed to get...maybe four or five out of weeks spent farming that damn zone for at least two or three hours because I cannot stand the return simulator for longer than that. Honestly, I'm
surprised I lasted as long as I did.

Idc how good the droprate is atmas suck. I don't want a boring RNG fate grind. I feel no accomplishment in doing fates forever until rng arbitrarily decides I'm free.

Not adding some sort of bad luck protection is just such a fail.

But they also made this big beautiful zone and then just filled it with fates and mini primal fights in the standard circle/square arenas. This entire expac has just highlighted the complete lack of creativity and foresight of this team, or at least it's lead.

The only problem I have with it is that one of the atmas is nearly impossible to get in OC because there is only one CE in that zone, it needs to be manually spawned, and its the only one that isn't possible to solo. I've gotten every other one completely passively.

if I read correctly he isn't even doing fates and ce just killing mobs so of he does that well it's a 0% drop because mobs doesn't drop demi

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Originally Posted by Nero-Voidstails

if I read correctly he isn't even doing fates and ce just killing mobs so of he does that well it's a 0% drop because mobs doesn't drop demi

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Though that is not everyone's case and the discussion in the thread reflects that: I was level 20 with several jobs fully levelled up and a few midway. It took me over 130 CEs and > 500 fates on a character.

I went through this with 3 characters: the 1st one was a bit tedious but I got lucky once I moved outside to finish the few atma that I was missing and got 3 in 1/2 hour. The 2nd character was a breeze with good and balanced drop rates by area. The third, which I mentioned above, was a total pain and it was discouraging. I went from zero fates completed in Koza and Yak Tel to full completion with achievements + filling my gemstones a few times after completion with no drops during several days. I only did it to have access to the relic weapon as it's going to be more tedious later on when people have moved to other zones. There needs to be some bad luck protection.