Nice to return

I took a break shortly after "finishing" the MQ of Dawntrail (basically after defeating Queen Sphene and Zoraal Ja)

It's such an awesome feeling to come back into the game and have more story to do. I know people like to shit on this game but so few games out there have this feeling of excitement. The fact you can feel free (at least I do) to take a break. Come back and have so much to look forward to do is amazing.

I've played a lot of other games and none of them have the same feeling.

So yeah awesome to be back :)

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Originally Posted by ArmaDragkun

I took a break shortly after "finishing" the MQ of Dawntrail (basically after defeating Queen Sphene and Zoraal Ja)

It's such an awesome feeling to come back into the game and have more story to do. I know people like to shit on this game but so few games out there have this feeling of excitement. The fact you can feel free (at least I do) to take a break. Come back and have so much to look forward to do is amazing.

I've played a lot of other games and none of them have the same feeling.

So yeah awesome to be back :)

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I know people like to shit on this game but so few games out there have this feeling of excitement. The fact you can feel free (at least I do) to take a break. Come back and have so much to look forward to do is amazing.

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Now do that while having a house it took you years to get. Tell us about how its exciting and how you're free to take a break unlike other games.

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Originally Posted by SophiaDL

Now do that while having a house it took you years to get. Tell us about how its exciting and how you're free to take a break unlike other games.

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Lose it. I did. Snagged 11-16 in Mist when a lot of people moved to Shirogane. Sat that that plaque for 2 days waiting to purchase it. Let the house demolish during the early days of COVID since my necessary communications job wasn't enough to keep it when I couldn't log in for extended periods. Lose the house. It's just virtual. One day it will be gone just like this game. Maybe not now, maybe not 10 years from now, but some day SE will end this project. You'll not have it then, so....

But you're not forced to own a house :)

It's something you decided to know fully knowing the commitment that comes with it. You can't bitch about something you willingly signed up for. It's like complaining about smell of fish after deciding to become a fisher

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Originally Posted by ArmaDragkun

I took a break shortly after "finishing" the MQ of Dawntrail (basically after defeating Queen Sphene and Zoraal Ja)

It's such an awesome feeling to come back into the game and have more story to do. I know people like to shit on this game but so few games out there have this feeling of excitement. The fact you can feel free (at least I do) to take a break. Come back and have so much to look forward to do is amazing.

I've played a lot of other games and none of them have the same feeling.

So yeah awesome to be back :)

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Welcome back! Indeed, there are some issues with the game, but we have a lot of new content now.

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Originally Posted by ArmaDragkun

I took a break shortly after "finishing" the MQ of Dawntrail (basically after defeating Queen Sphene and Zoraal Ja)

It's such an awesome feeling to come back into the game and have more story to do. I know people like to shit on this game but so few games out there have this feeling of excitement. The fact you can feel free (at least I do) to take a break. Come back and have so much to look forward to do is amazing.

I've played a lot of other games and none of them have the same feeling.

So yeah awesome to be back :)

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It isn't really the freedom to take a break. It's the necessity of having to take them because there is so little to do.

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

It isn't really the freedom to take a break. It's the necessity of having to take them because there is so little to do.

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theres nothing to do, if you dont want to do anything in the game. If you actually complete all the things that they implement and try all sorts of content, then it keeps you busy for thousands of hours

I guess your type of content is spamming the forums all day, despite having "quit"

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

theres nothing to do, if you dont want to do anything in the game. If you actually complete all the things that they implement and try all sorts of content, then it keeps you busy for thousands of hours

I guess your type of content is spamming the formus all day, despite having "quit"

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1000 bunny chest achievement grind. Hmmm yes such good content. More please.

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

theres nothing to do, if you dont want to do anything in the game. If you actually complete all the things that they implement and try all sorts of content, then it keeps you busy for thousands of hours

I guess your type of content is spamming the formus all day, despite having "quit"

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Imagine thinking of achievements as good content and blaming people for not wanting to catch a fish 5000 times

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Originally Posted by SophiaDL

Imagine thinking of achievements as good content and blaming people for not wanting to catch a fish 5000 times

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i cant remember that I mentioned achievements with a single word :shrug:

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Originally Posted by ArmaDragkun

But you're not forced to own a house :)

It's something you decided to know fully knowing the commitment that comes with it. You can't bitch about something you willingly signed up for. It's like complaining about smell of fish after deciding to become a fisher

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That is a stupid comparison.

Was housing advertised as a luxury commodity from the start of its implementation or was the demolition timer just latched on because they couldnt/didnt want / were talent hamstringed to not give more housing wards / houses?

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Originally Posted by ChrysOCE

1000 bunny chest achievement grind. Hmmm yes such good content. More please.

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Ironically, people who are getting this achievement and the title right now did not grind for them as SE expected. Instead, they purchased enough fortune carrots on the marketboard to skip the entire step. Out of all the titles one can get in Occult Crescent, this one is the one that seems the hardest to get, but it's probably the easiest one.

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Originally Posted by TeresaFortell

Ironically, people who are getting this achievement and the title right now did not grind them as SE would expect. Instead, they purchased enough fortune carrots on the marketboard to skip the entire step. Out of all the titles one can get in Occult Crescent, this one is the one that seems the hardest to get, but it's probably the easiest one.

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a carrot sell for 2m minimum so people will obviously sell it and the carrot give meh reward at best. so it is only worth that much for the title alone

its not really a stupid comparison. its true. the moment you buy a house you know you gonna lose it as soon as you dont play for a certain amount of days for whatever reason. thats the risk everyone takes the moment they buy a house.

and it doesnt have anything to do with giving feedback. its a terrible system so we should keep giving feedback about that that.

but people take it as the single reason they cant stop playing even though thats the risk they knowingly took

where im not sure though is why some random player has to announce they're back xD

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Originally Posted by Asari5

its not really a stupid comparison. its true. the moment you buy a house you know you gonna lose it as soon as you dont play for a certain amount of days for whatever reason. thats the risk everyone takes the moment they buy a house.

and it doesnt have anything to do with giving feedback. its a terrible system so we should keep giving feedback about that that.

but people take it as the single reason they cant stop playing even though thats the risk they knowingly took

where im not sure though is why some random player has to announce they're back xD

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I don't know why but when i read tha tlast part i got vegeta from dragon abll abridged when he lands back on earth "IM BACK BITCHES" screaming in my head

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Originally Posted by Asari5

where im not sure though is why some random player has to announce they're back xD

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Corporate tribalism is a big part of modern society, so he's displaying his loyalty to Square Enix and their brand.

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Originally Posted by Asari5

[...]where im not sure though is why some random player has to announce they're back xD

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Originally Posted by Daralii

Corporate tribalism is a big part of modern society, so he's displaying his loyalty to Square Enix and their brand.

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I mean, there's also this line here:

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[...]I know people like to shit on this game but[...]

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Personally after reading that part, that's when I thought about cooking up a bowl of popcorn and take a comfy seat lol.

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

i cant remember that I mentioned achievements with a single word :shrug:

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To be fair, when you make the statement "If you actually complete all the things that they implement", you do a pretty solid job of implying that achievements will be very closely tied in with it. Even if you don't explicitly state achievements.

Much of the 'hundreds of hours' of content has largely been rendered moot, when they've devalued their own content as spectacularly as what they have in this game, and I don't mean to be funny but if we're abiding by this sentiment then frankly you're just far better playing a game that actually respects that effort of thousands of hours.

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Originally Posted by SophiaDL

Now do that while having a house it took you years to get. Tell us about how its exciting and how you're free to take a break unlike other games.

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I don't have a house, nor have I ever had any interest in wanting one. I'm free to "take a break" with no real drawbacks whenever I want (plenty of catch-up mechanics for when I return). Think about how the hundreds of thousands of active players, and think what % actually have a house...yeah, only a relative handful are really affected by this.

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It's the necessity of having to take them because there is so little to do.

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I have plenty to do. I played on and off from around 2015-2021, then this game as my main MMO from 2021-2025, and when I took my first break in several years a few months ago, it wasn't because of a lack of things to do - I had just been playing a lot for a long time and felt like doing something else for a bit. I came back with the new Moogle event and still have plenty to do.

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Imagine thinking of achievements as good content and blaming people for not wanting to catch a fish 5000 times

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Imagine being unable to comprehend or accept that other people might like different things than you (gasp!). And there's tons of achievements that aren't the minuscule few outliers involving inordinate numbers of things. From time-to-time, I just open up the "nearing completion" tab and there's always a variety of things within easy completion distance.

it will be nice for a week or two when you have stuff to do, then you go back to afking.

not like achievements in this game are very interesting.
in other games you have stuff like do this to make that boss more difficult . not to get better loot just for fun and the achievement.
do this or that content in a certain time or without dieing.
kill that entirely worthless monster you dont need for anything.
jump down a cliff of a certain height.

compared to do this content 1 time... 5 times... 10 times. do that 50 times... 200 times.... 1000 times... not enough? then do it 20'000 times.

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Originally Posted by Asari5

not like achievements in this game are very interesting.
in other games you have stuff like do this to make that boss more difficult . not to get better loot just for fun and the achievement.
do this or that content in a certain time or without dieing.
kill that entirely worthless monster you dont need for anything.
jump down a cliff of a certain height.

compared to do this content 1 time... 5 times... 10 times. do that 50 times... 200 times.... 1000 times... not enough? then do it 20'000 times.

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Good ideas:
{Role} Party! : complete the duty only using {role}.
T(h)ankless {duty flavor text}: complete {duty} without having the tank role in your party.
Heals? Who needs heals in {duty}: same as above but healers.
Damage is for chumps in {duty}: same as above, no DPS.

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Originally Posted by Uzephi

Good ideas:
{Role} Party! : complete the duty only using {role}.
T(h)ankless {duty flavor text}: complete {duty} without having the tank role in your party.
Heals? Who needs heals in {duty}: same as above but healers.
Damage is for chumps in {duty}: same as above, no DPS.

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yes. just a tiny bit of creativity and you can end up with more interesting achievements. not for everybody but for more people than now.
adding replayability and variety without having to make a lot of additional assets. and also pushing some people to do stuff differently without forcing them. (not just the game is stale. quite a few players are as well)

Welcome back, Arma! Enjoy yourself! :D

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Originally Posted by Hallarem

Was housing advertised as a luxury commodity from the start of its implementation or was the demolition timer just latched on because they couldnt/didnt want / were talent hamstringed to not give more housing wards / houses?

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From what I know, housing was initially introduced as an insanely expensive status symbol to entice legacy players to spend their 1.0 gil and even out the playing field a little with the 2.0 players. It was only for FCs back then, and the most expensive house could get up to 600M+. They later introduced personal housing.
The autodemolition timer was requested by the players because back then, you could just buy a house and unsub forever, and that house would be there forever too. There were many, many houses "occupied" by people who hadn't been in the game for months and months, so it was introduced so active players would have a chance to get housing. The whole "SE added autodemolition because they want your money!" like, yes they want your money, obviously, but it was a convenient side-effect to something the players wanted in the first place. They should have made it a bit less strict in my opinion, but that is besides the topic.


The whole thing about constantly needing new wards is a combination of strange system decisions seemingly coming from what YoshiP thinks player housing should be like in an MMO based on his past experiences, NA being leagues larger than EU, OCE and JP combined, and SE being unable to add good enough incentives to make people move to different worlds/datacenters to alleviate the issue.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

Much of the 'hundreds of hours' of content has largely been rendered moot, when they've devalued their own content as spectacularly as what they have in this game, and I don't mean to be funny but if we're abiding by this sentiment then frankly you're just far better playing a game that actually respects that effort of thousands of hours.

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I'm genuinely curious - what do you mean by this? What content has been "spectacularly devalued" or rendered moot? Compared to other games, I feel like FFXIV is probably the one that comment would least make sense about. Every bit of content is still in the game. There are still entire Discord communities set up and organizing runs of "old" content like Eureka or Bozja. They have a minimum iLevel setting so players can do old content at the challenging level it originally was (instead of overpowering it like we do now). The only thing I can think of are some things like Squadrons that didn't continue into further xpacs, but it's still content that's there to do with its own rewards system.

I compare that to other games like WoW, where they got rid of the entire Vanilla-WotLK world when Cata released (and even with things like Chromie Time, there are still some major events - i.e. Wrathgate - that are permanently removed from the game). Leveling now is a haphazard mishmash of unrelated stories without the continent-spanning quest chains they used to have. Or I think of Destiny 2, which has its "content vault" - a PR way of saying we're literally removing massive chunks of content from the game that you can never play again.

Then I look back at FFXIV, and I'm like "everything's still here." I've only ever leveled this toon, so I know a few changes were made here and there to old duties, but that's all I can think of. It's certainly nowhere near "most of the hundreds of hours of content". So, I'm genuinely curious - what am I missing? What are you referring to?

" Every bit of content is still in the game. "

Except Diadem 1.0, Diadem 2.0, Ishgard Restoration Phase 1, 2 and 3...


EDIT: Also about housing, people really seem to forget Yoshi P saying that housing would not require a monthly fee or be temporary.

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Originally Posted by Trianna

" Every bit of content is still in the game. "

Except Diadem 1.0, Diadem 2.0, Ishgard Restoration Phase 1, 2 and 3...


EDIT: Also about housing, people really seem to forget Yoshi P saying that housing would not require a fee or be temporary.

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Ahh, I never did the crafting stuff back in the day, so I didn't think of those. To be fair, those are meant to be limited-time events - I didn't bring up similar types of events in other games, either (e.g. Gates of Ahn'Qiraj in WoW). I'm talking core content that isn't designed from the outset to be completed on a server and then retired. Can we do better than pick one very specific type of limited-time content and try to act like it's something enormous when it it's really the smallest of blips?

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I'm genuinely curious - what do you mean by this? What content has been "spectacularly devalued" or rendered moot? Compared to other games, I feel like FFXIV is probably the one that comment would least make sense about. Every bit of content is still in the game. There are still entire Discord communities set up and organizing runs of "old" content like Eureka or Bozja. They have a minimum iLevel setting so players can do old content at the challenging level it originally was (instead of overpowering it like we do now). The only thing I can think of are some things like Squadrons that didn't continue into further xpacs, but it's still content that's there to do with its own rewards system.

I compare that to other games like WoW, where they got rid of the entire Vanilla-WotLK world when Cata released (and even with things like Chromie Time, there are still some major events - i.e. Wrathgate - that are permanently removed from the game). Leveling now is a haphazard mishmash of unrelated stories without the continent-spanning quest chains they used to have. Or I think of Destiny 2, which has its "content vault" - a PR way of saying we're literally removing massive chunks of content from the game that you can never play again.

Then I look back at FFXIV, and I'm like "everything's still here." I've only ever leveled this toon, so I know a few changes were made here and there to old duties, but that's all I can think of. It's certainly nowhere near "most of the hundreds of hours of content". So, I'm genuinely curious - what am I missing? What are you referring to?

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Grand Companies? When was their last update, when did they bother actually electing using materials from that pool of items, like they used to.
Desynthesis uses massively reduced and rendered pointless. Every material you get from there, you get far more efficiently elsewhere. Pretty sure we no longer get interesting things like Octomammoth, Twitchbeard, Gigantshark, or Ninja Betta anymore, and nor is it intrinsic to anything... It's literally one of the systems that exists purely for the sake of existing and slapping a system/feature quota.
Diadem deleted from the game several times. Emergency Mission scrapped
Devs so scared of getting flack from every diverting from gear formula like they did with the original Coven weapons that you can probably map the exact gear progression level-by-level for the next 10 years.

Devalued systems...? You can take a 16 month break and miss literally nothing because the game has absurdly aggressive catchup mechanics, and this in turn tosses a lot of the character progression fun in the bin. Like, if I compare ARR/HW capstone to more modern capstone levels for character/gear progression, and the former is so much more satisfying than the latter. Just finished levelling? No problem, do your custom deliveries and spam collectables for 25 minutes and there you go, fresh i720 Innovators, all caught up, all ready to craft anything within the span of 25 minutes. Much of this exacerbated by the fact that this progression is on an effective reset every 8-9 months. First and only ability unlocked through quests you're waiting for approximately 20 quests for, because they've gone through this half-committal process where they completely stripped quests rewards when they removed cross-class. So... You end up with that 1 random ability like Manipulation (Quality Assurance? Lol, basically useless outside of expert because no macro is ever created around the expectancy that you get a good condition. You simply fill the quality bar complete, or as high as possible and then buffer out base HQ by crafting elsewhere).. - This may also be a contentious opinion, but with how crafting actually functions on this game you could literally delete every ability, turn it into a cookie clicker where every end recipe takes 48 seconds with 1 button click, and in most cases, nothing of value would have ever been lost. Granted, this has always been the case, but right up to the 2* Ala Mhigan recipes from Stormblood there was always significant value of actually manually engaging with the abilities, with this, the incentive to actually learn that part of the game is buried in some unknown ditch.

They have a minimum item level setting? Near enough half of this games history has gone through stat adjustments, that even doing minimum item level Alexander is not true Alexander as originally was.

This is one of the games where 'spectacularly devalued' absolutely does apply. Even content such as Palace of the Dead, Heaven on High and Eureka Orthos sucks for queue over 90% of the time... Overworld is actually practically dead relative to what it used to be back in the times of ARR/HW where you could literally find trains of players still farming FATEs in South Shroud, Costa Del Sol, Coerthas, Northern Thanalan, now the overworld of this game is dead for 90% of the expansion schedule.

Achievement farming? for what? Achievement certificates? Which is another largely abandoned system, who's only purposes was to serve as scrapping and rebranding the veteran reward system into something else. Since the introduction of this system in 4.1 we've had a very small handful of additions, and from what I could see it took over 2 expansions for them to even bother adding rewards to it on top of what you'd get from the old veteran reward system. Grind for the mounts or minions from the achievements? For what? Game barely has you out in the overworld as is, so very little incentive, and the idea of having a proper mount/minion/achievement showcase on the adventurer plate is something that has seemingly not been thought up as an idea, e.g., "top 3 rarest...", do you know how cool that would be?

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Originally Posted by Trianna

[...] Also about housing, people really seem to forget Yoshi P saying that housing would not require a monthly fee or be temporary.

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It did not when it was added. Like I said, players had to request the demolition timer to be added because the ward system could not support everyone having a house, and YoshiP was adamant he wanted housing to be in neighborhoods. He also said personal housing would be separate from the FC neighborhood system, but they ended up adding it to the existing wards.


I assume their original plan went like this: You can buy a house for gil, the house is yours forever unless you choose to move or get rid of it yourself, and it would be separated from the FC neighborhoods, most likely in the same vein apartments are kinda their own thing or straight up a different neighborhood somewhere else in Eorzea. If they would have been able to follow through with that plan, then yeah housing would have not required a monthly fee (besides the sub you need to pay to simply exist in Eorzea, but that is besides the point) and it would be there forever, like apartments are currently.


The reality is that things never were as YoshiP said he wanted them to be back then. I'm not blaming the players that had to ask for the demolition timer obviously, it was the least stupid solution to a poorly-designed system that players could have suggested, but I wish they could invest more into housing to fix these kinds of things for everyone. I find it stupid that you can't have a house unless you're insanely lucky or you happen to be in a server that isn't packed like a sardine can.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

e.g., "top 3 rarest...", do you know how cool that would be?

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I agree with all of this. The only rare achievement I can think of now are those pvp achievements that require for you to be in top spot of Crystaline Conflict. But honestly those ones are mega boring with all wintrading happening and same people somehow managing to be top rank in all servers by a mile or play 24/7. Plus CC is well known to be dead and you play with 10-20 same people over and over again which is not fun.

Other than that, it's pretty boring to do anything.

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Originally Posted by Shistar

It did not when it was added. Like I said, players had to request the demolition timer to be added because the ward system could not support everyone having a house, and YoshiP was adamant he wanted housing to be in neighborhoods. He also said personal housing would be separate from the FC neighborhood system, but they ended up adding it to the existing wards.


I assume their original plan went like this: You can buy a house for gil, the house is yours forever unless you choose to move or get rid of it yourself, and it would be separated from the FC neighborhoods, most likely in the same vein apartments are kinda their own thing or straight up a different neighborhood somewhere else in Eorzea. If they would have been able to follow through with that plan, then yeah housing would have not required a monthly fee (besides the sub you need to pay to simply exist in Eorzea, but that is besides the point) and it would be there forever, like apartments are currently.


The reality is that things never were as YoshiP said he wanted them to be back then. I'm not blaming the players that had to ask for the demolition timer obviously, it was the least stupid solution to a poorly-designed system that players could have suggested, but I wish they could invest more into housing to fix these kinds of things for everyone. I find it stupid that you can't have a house unless you're insanely lucky or you happen to be in a server that isn't packed like a sardine can.

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The sad reality is that this game is built massively on the "greatest sins of mmorpg" and ffxiv fits into every one of them. Housing is just one example. It's gatekept around players who got in first and good luck getting one if you are on a tight servers. Even those that were empty, now are full because of bots.

So issues with housing are too many Bot FC's or people who have ridiculous amount of accounts so they purchased all housing district or FC houses. They use this to make good amount of gil and do RMT. This is the biggest damn issue today. Why square isn't doing anything against this?

Some servers are clearly empty and you can find a house there, but as soon as some ward opens it's tough luck to get large / mediums. So many RMT people will instantly bid and FC's with 50+ members. So Large and mediums will be occupied in no time. Meaning that any legitimate player can just dream about having a large house or even medium. Heck on some servers it's dreaming about having even small one.

They talked about increasing interior space but that idea went to silence as they haven't mentioned anything. It's more of: ''please look forward to it''. Housing in this game has to be the worst out of any mmorpg.

People been asking for instanced housing for years now, nothing is done about it.
They had the perfect setup with Sanctuary Island to make instance housing, but instead gave us a bunch of grind with nothing to look out for. Stocks overflowing with materials, completely useless.

And to make everything worse, you have the Devs coming up and saying Occult Crescent can't have 2 Fates or CEs up at the same time cuz "servers are already on limit". I'm sorry, what? That zone even has half the amount of maximum players as Eureka and Bozja. So what kind of servers are SE running for new content?

FFXIV needs to do something. A year ago (2024) I came to Dynamis and was able to get a home in Ward 16 of Shirogani. There has been plenty of lots left until this month (July 2025). All the lots are suddenly being filled by people whose names are hyphenated by letters and numbers (example 1-TnG4). My fellow player explained that these are Gold Bots. Accounts are made for these false-characters so they can sell gold in the forums. The player explained to me that because they are "real accounts," Square Enix just looks the other way. So, in my opinion, this is one of the reasons that there is a huge housing shortage.