Trust exp

hey its been months since release can we please have an increase now? takes too long to level every single member up to current as it is.
i know they usually increase it after awhile but i feel like they forgot too this time around an we're now heading into the 7.3 patches which is a halfway point typically for our expansion would very much appreciate if they could give our npc pals a boost in earning EXP thanks in advance.

I don't think they forgot. Trust exp is typically boosted at the end of an expansion:

5.58 for Shadowbringers: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...e8849372cb139e
6.58 for Endwalker: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...67160ef629d31/

Likely SE intends it to be a grind to keep players busy between patches.
Personally I think needing to level Trusts at all is unnecessary and they could have just had the outfits be unlocks for running X amount of dungeons with each Trust.

It's a failed mechanic. They tried it out and it prevented people doing the content with trusts again because they weren't gonna level them. They buffed the exp but that also didn't make it better. So they separated it into "Trusts" (that you level for glamour) and "Scenario Mode", so that it's easier to ignore them and just use Scenario Mode always. Which of course was renamed to Duty Support.

I just don't bother leveling them. It's so boring.

It was okay in ShB, had to force myself to pevel them in EW for the achievement reward. Now I simply don't bother to level them in DT as we get even more characters to level up and the reward sucks.

The fact that trusts sandbag so every dungeon run takes exactly whatever amount of time CS3 decided means I will never use them outside of duty support for the first time I run a MSQ dungeon for story reasons. I don't want to spend 6 hours running Holminster Switch

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Originally Posted by Moomba33

I don't think they forgot. Trust exp is typically boosted at the end of an expansion:

5.58 for Shadowbringers: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...e8849372cb139e
6.58 for Endwalker: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...67160ef629d31/

Likely SE intends it to be a grind to keep players busy between patches.
Personally I think needing to level Trusts at all is unnecessary and they could have just had the outfits be unlocks for running X amount of dungeons with each Trust.

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Admittedly there was only one expect with 5.08 patch but that was it.https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...c8cee52472b81a

But ya, I tried eariler but man, it was really man especially with the first dungeon, Ihuykatumu, which had that slow boat section at first and was 8 minutes to get to the first boss.

It's really not that bad. The reward's pointless, I did them for roleplaying purposes, the Scions being equal to my level, and got a bunch of minions for free, and greens to turn in for seals and FC points. ShB -> DT took less than two weeks.

It's super boring, but it's really not that bad of a grind.

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Originally Posted by Erzaa

It's really not that bad. The reward's pointless, I did them for roleplaying purposes, the Scions being equal to my level, and got a bunch of minions for free, and greens to turn in for seals and FC points. ShB -> DT took less than two weeks.

It's super boring, but it's really not that bad of a grind.

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It's not that bad, but it's pointless now with the Duty Support system and it's only really worth doing if you're completely out of things to do in the game, and there's plenty of other things to do in the game worth your time more usually (new relic?)

I still need to do trusts to grind for teh titles, which if i ever stop being lazy i will grind them, but i can see points on why trusts are bad. I mean outfit rewards is eh when there are people out there with fanart of that already. But hey a title or 2 might be worth it

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Originally Posted by XtremePrime

It's not that bad, but it's pointless now with the Duty Support system and it's only really worth doing if you're completely out of things to do in the game, and there's plenty of other things to do in the game worth your time more usually (new relic?)

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Yea, it's pointless. I did it for the same reason I did FATEs. Something to do, inbetween deep dungeons solo, while waiting for OC. And seeing how that turned out, I'm probably going to be ignoring the relic this time around. *shrug*. It's alot easier than the FATEs grind though.

good we are all in agreement then that they need a push to justify running dungeons with them an maybe a mount or glamour reward for US the player to entice us to level every single scion or guest character etc. otherwise i mainly use them for the free loot to glam or for GC turn in for seals and FC credits.

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Originally Posted by ShadowyZero

good we are all in agreement then that they need a push to justify running dungeons with them an maybe a mount or glamour reward for US the player to entice us to level every single scion or guest character etc. otherwise i mainly use them for the free loot to glam or for GC turn in for seals and FC credits.

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Mhm, more rewards for doing it would be worthwhile, but... "something, something, budget?"

Your first spill.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

It's a failed mechanic. They tried it out and it prevented people doing the content with trusts again because they weren't gonna level them. They buffed the exp but that also didn't make it better. So they separated it into "Trusts" (that you level for glamour) and "Scenario Mode", so that it's easier to ignore them and just use Scenario Mode always. Which of course was renamed to Duty Support.

I just don't bother leveling them. It's so boring.

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A title and an achievement is fine for me, but it's unrealistic how long it takes. The XP should be the boosted XP from the beginning given how tedious this is.

Leveling Trusts is more boring than doing Levequests.

If I were a designer I would have made the Trusts into a Roulette and let four real players play as each of the Scions et al; maybe one of four gets randomly selected to keep their WOL. Something...something...MMO.

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Originally Posted by Hastatus

Leveling Trusts is more boring than doing Levequests.

If I were a designer I would have made the Trusts into a Roulette and let four real players play as each of the Scions et al; maybe one of four gets randomly selected to keep their WOL. Something...something...MMO.

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This totally defeats the point of trusts though. There still is an incentive to do it with players, but the point is theoretically to make it so that people can play dungeons at a slower pace or without the pressure of having other players. Yeah, it's an MMO but that doesn't mean every piece of content needs to be group content. Most MMOs have loads of solo content and thats by designs. OSRS/RS3, WoW, ESO, GW2, etc.

The Trust system should be merged with the Duty Support system, as it should have been from the beginning.
Get rid of the level requirements for the dungeons; because I don't think anyone likes doing the same dungeon a few dozen times in a row to get all characters to a certain level.
Instead make the leveling a mere requirement for unlocking costumes for the characters, like they kinda already are.

Maybe I would level them if they were like FFXI trusts and I could use them in the overworld. I would rather FATE grind than dungeon spam with them. At least I would get a useful currency.

Playing it for about 6 years... Didn't even knew it exists LMAO

Developing three systems (GC squadrons, trusts, duty support) that do exactly the same thing strikes me as symptomatic of a design team that has run out of ideas.

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Originally Posted by Altina_Orion

This totally defeats the point of trusts though. There still is an incentive to do it with players, but the point is theoretically to make it so that people can play dungeons at a slower pace or without the pressure of having other players. Yeah, it's an MMO but that doesn't mean every piece of content needs to be group content. Most MMOs have loads of solo content and thats by designs. OSRS/RS3, WoW, ESO, GW2, etc.

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My bad. I worded it poorly. I meant add an option for multiplayer to Trusts without deleting the existing way it works solo.

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Originally Posted by Emitans

Maybe I would level them if they were like FFXI trusts and I could use them in the overworld. I would rather FATE grind than dungeon spam with them. At least I would get a useful currency.

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I kinda wish we can do that with our squadron.. .or heck, even our retainers lol.