There is zero reason to show the default portrait when one exists.

Either

1. show the previous version
2. update it automatically

I don't really care which. What the heck are they afraid of? They made this system over complicated, making too many checks just to be sure you have the same materia or something. It's supposed to be a fun piece of fluff, but it loses that when it randomly doesn't work.

dev incompetence leads them to somehow ship a worse version than their beta.

I think it was changed due to all of the degenerate gutterskanks creating crotch portraits or something

Materia isn't a factor in portraits, they only check if your actual gear has changed. As of a few patches ago the system pops up a window asking you to update your portrait when you save your gear unless you manually turn that off, so there shouldn't be any issue with keeping your portraits current if you're paying attention. The check box for that option can be found under Character Menu -> Portraits if you've accidentally disabled it.

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Originally Posted by Wyssahtyn

dev incompetence leads them to somehow ship a worse version than their beta.

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The devs released a very freeform portrait system in the beta which players promptly abused by making portraits of themselves jerking off and simulating oral sex, which forced the devs to add cumbersome restrictions. Funny how this community always conveniently leaves out its own role in these sorts of things.

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Originally Posted by MsQi

Either

1. show the previous version
2. update it automatically

I don't really care which. What the heck are they afraid of? They made this system over complicated, making too many checks just to be sure you have the same materia or something. It's supposed to be a fun piece of fluff, but it loses that when it randomly doesn't work.

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About as terrible as the dye system

right click -> dye -> pick color -> click dye -> "are you really sure you want to dye this item ???" x200 to 400 items for large houses

fun fun fun!

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

Materia isn't a factor in portraits, they only check if your actual gear has changed. As of a few patches ago the system pops up a window asking you to update your portrait when you save your gear unless you manually turn that off, so there shouldn't be any issue with keeping your portraits current if you're paying attention. The check box for that option can be found under Character Menu -> Portraits if you've accidentally disabled it.




The devs released a very freeform portrait system in the beta which players promptly abused by making portraits of themselves jerking off and simulating oral sex, which forced the devs to add cumbersome restrictions. Funny how this community always conveniently leaves out its own role in these sorts of things.

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You really never cease to blame the community for everything huh ? Congestion is the player's fault, the portraits are also the player's fault, crescent is also the player's fault, I could go on just reading your posts.

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Originally Posted by Visthra

I think it was changed due to all of the degenerate gutterskanks creating crotch portraits or something

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None of the things it is checking have anything to do with that. That is based on position. If you were in the "wrong" position you wouldn't be able to save the portrait.

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Originally Posted by MsQi

None of the things it is checking have anything to do with that. That is based on position. If you were in the "wrong" position you wouldn't be able to save the portrait.

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Those crotch shots were definitely the wrong position, let me tell ya

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

Materia isn't a factor in portraits, they only check if your actual gear has changed. As of a few patches ago the system pops up a window asking you to update your portrait when you save your gear unless you manually turn that off, so there shouldn't be any issue with keeping your portraits current if you're paying attention. The check box for that option can be found under Character Menu -> Portraits if you've accidentally disabled it.




The devs released a very freeform portrait system in the beta which players promptly abused by making portraits of themselves jerking off and simulating oral sex, which forced the devs to add cumbersome restrictions. Funny how this community always conveniently leaves out its own role in these sorts of things.

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I know what it is supposed to do, but it randomly decides not to do it. The gear set was updated. I hadn't change anything for that job in a long time. NONE of the things it checks for are things that wouldn't be allowed in the portrait. Position can only be changed within the portrait interface. If it is what they deem "bad" you cannot save the portrait.

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Originally Posted by Wyssahtyn

dev incompetence leads them to somehow ship a worse version than their beta.

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I don't think incompetence is the word. They are failing to do something but also failing to recognize that it doesn't need to be done. Is meta-incompetence a thing? This is the product of an extremely rigid mind, that just can't admit that their beautiful code that checks for all the little inconsistencies just causes headaches and doesn't solve anything.

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Originally Posted by Visthra

Those crotch shots were definitely the wrong position, let me tell ya

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Thus why they put that particular check in the interface, while positioning your character. Honestly, you see worse in Limsa every day.

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Originally Posted by MsQi

I know what it is supposed to do, but it randomly decides not to do it. The gear set was updated. I hadn't change anything for that job in a long time. NONE of the things it checks for are things that wouldn't be allowed in the portrait. Position can only be changed within the portrait interface. If it is what they deem "bad" you cannot save the portrait.

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That is definitely user error. If your portrait is broken then a change was made without saving it to the portrait, presumably without you realizing it. A common culprit is accessories since they can be shared between jobs differently than the main gear is. Make sure to double check your glam plates for conflicts. If you have for example a ring saved on one plate and nothing on the other it will break that second portrait when you switch between them unless you use an Emperor's New Ring for that slot.

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

That is definitely user error. If your portrait is broken then a change was made without saving it to the portrait, presumably without you realizing it. A common culprit is accessories since they can be shared between jobs differently than the main gear is. Make sure to double check your glam plates for conflicts. If you have for example a ring saved on one plate and nothing on the other it will break that second portrait when you switch between them unless you use an Emperor's New Ring for that slot.

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You are just proving my point more and more kid.

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You are just proving my point more and more kid.

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I was trying to help you but if you're going to be willfully ignorant then enjoy wrestling with your portraits forever I guess. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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I was trying to help you but if you're going to be willfully ignorant then enjoy wrestling with your portraits forever I guess. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Name one case where a mismatched accessory in the glamour plate results in something that is not allowed in the portrait.

Edit: I take it you have nothing to say on the actual topic. I didn't ask for help. I tried to get it back on topic, but you ignored the issues and created your own narrative. I have been dealing with this since the feature was added and have done all that you have and more.

all gearset portraits are stored locally on ur harddrive. Every time u join a duty - ur portrait is being uploaded, and verified. They check stuff and check if u did not alter it with 3rd party software.

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

Materia isn't a factor in portraits, they only check if your actual gear has changed. As of a few patches ago the system pops up a window asking you to update your portrait when you save your gear unless you manually turn that off, so there shouldn't be any issue with keeping your portraits current if you're paying attention. The check box for that option can be found under Character Menu -> Portraits if you've accidentally disabled it.




The devs released a very freeform portrait system in the beta which players promptly abused by making portraits of themselves jerking off and simulating oral sex, which forced the devs to add cumbersome restrictions. Funny how this community always conveniently leaves out its own role in these sorts of things.

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How would making it so the portrait breaks with the tiniest change in gear be a fix for that? Restrictions on how you can frame a portrait would be steps to prevent that, not making the whole system broken.

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Originally Posted by Remolia

all gearset portraits are stored locally on ur harddrive. Every time u join a duty - ur portrait is being uploaded, and verified. They check stuff and check if u did not alter it with 3rd party software.

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That's a good thing to check for, however it is clearly checking a lot more than that, and being tripped up by ingame items that I own being replaced by other in game items that I own. Is there any ingame item that is not allowed in a portrait?

This could have been simpler if they weren't so stingy with server side data.

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Originally Posted by Remolia

all gearset portraits are stored locally on ur harddrive. Every time u join a duty - ur portrait is being uploaded, and verified. They check stuff and check if u did not alter it with 3rd party software.

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You can also transfer portraits between characters, for all the good that will do. When I make new alts I copy over a lot of my character folder so I don't have to redo hotbars and UI settings, and end up with 40 portraits the game needs to check if this alt is the right race, right sex, right skin color, right gear, and right job before it gets to the glams.

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Originally Posted by MsQi

That's a good thing to check for, however it is clearly checking a lot more than that, and being tripped up by ingame items that I own being replaced by other in game items that I own. Is there any ingame item that is not allowed in a portrait?

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If your portrait were on the very edge of being able to be saved, a different item *could* push it over the edge. Probably not, but I could see on some of mine a different shaped weapon potentially doing something like that by pushing the camera around or maybe blocking too much of my character's face in a way that triggered the check. Possibly a game update might have subtly changed the acceptability check as well.

I also have one portrait for the life of me I can't get it to inherit the right weapon--the glam plate it uses is has a paladin weapon on it but it's a dark knight portrait and it's constantly picking up the wrong weapon glam even if I make sure I have the right weapon glam on first before trying to edit it. No idea why I can't fix it, so I've given up on it. I'm usually pretty good at figuring out what's going on with the portraits and they've added much more informative error messages, but that one's just a lost cause.

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Originally Posted by SophiaDL

About as terrible as the dye system

right click -> dye -> pick color -> click dye -> "are you really sure you want to dye this item ???" x200 to 400 items for large houses

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Honestly the UI of this game as a whole needs some sort of a modern consultancy.

I find it really weird that (taking OC's vendor as an example) these are all separate menus:

Silver coins gear
Silver coins battle items
Silver coins other
Gold coins battle items
Gold coins other

instead of just Silver and Gold and inside you'll find tabs for all of those. The raid vendors turns out to be a chaotic mess of different menu options by the end of the expansion. I remember as a new player looking at that and getting really overwhelmed not sure where to start at.

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

The devs released a very freeform portrait system in the beta which players promptly abused by making portraits of themselves jerking off and simulating oral sex, which forced the devs to add cumbersome restrictions. Funny how this community always conveniently leaves out its own role in these sorts of things.

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I mean, you can still take suggestive pictures perfectly fine if you know the right tricks. So they couldn’t even fix that issue.

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If your portrait were on the very edge of being able to be saved, a different item *could* push it over the edge. Probably not, but I could see on some of mine a different shaped weapon potentially doing something like that by pushing the camera around or maybe blocking too much of my character's face in a way that triggered the check. Possibly a game update might have subtly changed the acceptability check as well.

I also have one portrait for the life of me I can't get it to inherit the right weapon--the glam plate it uses is has a paladin weapon on it but it's a dark knight portrait and it's constantly picking up the wrong weapon glam even if I make sure I have the right weapon glam on first before trying to edit it. No idea why I can't fix it, so I've given up on it. I'm usually pretty good at figuring out what's going on with the portraits and they've added much more informative error messages, but that one's just a lost cause.

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I've never tried sharing or swapping portrait files, but I guess there could be job restricted poses if someone did. So far I have not seen any item affect the camera as far as moving it. Obviously I can't check every single item, but I'd like to know if anyone finds one. As far as I've seen it wants most of your face within the boundaries of the photo and that it is at least slightly looking toward the camera. But as you zoom out the boundaries get smaller. It seems your face can be completely obscured by any item, even your own body. I know if I'm sharing a plate I can't have a weapon on it, or else it messes with the jobs that don't match the weapon, I gotta manually glam it when I get a new one. Before I figured that out those are the only cases where it was related to something that isn't allowed, and not that the wrong weapon was in the portrait, just that the weapon in the plate, did not match the job. If we ever got enough plates it would solve several of problems.

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I mean, you can still take suggestive pictures perfectly fine if you know the right tricks. So they couldn’t even fix that issue.

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I'm not gonna get into what you can get away with, but there is not much limitation, and any limitation is also going to limit non-suggestive portraits.

But none of the times I've had a problem has it been something related to "suggestiveness." Just things that didn't match, not things that are not allowed.

I mean It should save the first one we have the same as adventure plates do, then if we update or change something we have an option to update that within the portrait i do agree 100% there is no excuse for it when it should be saving how we were when we took it and not refreshing with every little change, but they won't do that I mean come on tank stance gets removed every time you level sync and there is 0 reason for that bs tank stance doesn't increase anything but emity gain so there no reason level sync should effect it lol

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Originally Posted by MsQi

Name one case where a mismatched accessory in the glamour plate results in something that is not allowed in the portrait.

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The mismatch is the thing that is not allowed in the portrait -- even if it's something as minor as a ring looking different, or even something that is entirely hidden like turned-off headgear or items that you're wearing "underneath" a gear piece that takes up multiple slots.

In some cases, to deal with multi-slot items, you may need to have a designated second glamour plate that you'll always apply before applying the one you actually want.

You also need to save things in the correct order. You need to save the gearset first and then update the portrait second, because the portrait takes note of what is listed in the gearset rather than what you are currently wearing. (This step has been simplified now that it prompts you to update and approve the portrait when you save the gearset.)

I just wanted the option to use the Adventure Plate portrait as the default one. Pronto, simple band-aid until they figure how to make the tool work better.

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Originally Posted by Raikai

I just wanted the option to use the Adventure Plate portrait as the default one. Pronto, simple band-aid until they figure how to make the tool work better.

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Judging by the pedantry that went into this system the mere thought of displaying me as a fisher when entering a dungeon would probably cause something to snap inside the mind of the developer. ;)

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Originally Posted by Raikai

Honestly the UI of this game as a whole needs some sort of a modern consultancy.

I find it really weird that (taking OC's vendor as an example) these are all separate menus:

Silver coins gear
Silver coins battle items
Silver coins other
Gold coins battle items
Gold coins other

instead of just Silver and Gold and inside you'll find tabs for all of those. The raid vendors turns out to be a chaotic mess of different menu options by the end of the expansion. I remember as a new player looking at that and getting really overwhelmed not sure where to start at.

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waiting for the jqit guy or what his name was to come and tell you how beautiful the ui is and how the devs just need more time