BLM should stop spaming the forum and make a #BLMSTRIKE where they can all spam...

This forum is turning into an absolute mess of BLM takes, and it's getting ridiculously repetitive and exhausting.

For the love of god, consolidate your discussions into one thread instead of spamming the forum. At this point, it feels less like genuine discussion and more like attention-seeking drama.

If a mod could step in and clean this up, that would be great—there are plenty of other jobs that deserve a chance to be discussed without having to wade through a flood of duplicate BLM posts.

EDIT : Just to be clear, this isn't about taking a stance on the changes or giving my opinion—it's about making you realize that you're turning this against yourselves. By flooding the forum, you're pushing every other issue or discussion into the background, making them seem less important.

Right now, BLM players are just making things worse by not handling this like adults. Instead of having a single, reasonable thread for discussion, you're spamming the forum and drowning out everything else.

For me, #HEALERSTRIKE handled the discussion around healer stats in a much more reasonable and constructive way. This is how things should be done. And a subject wirth 1000 pages has more impact.

The Dark Knight megathread has somewhere around 400-500 pages with good discussions and requests. Some badly needed QoL got implemented up to two expansions later after it had been discussed and mentioned ad verbatim (Dark Mind now having physical mit, Missionary now usable in lv70 ultimates as parity with GNB), with many good requests to QoL and having meaningful gameplay which we lost since 5.0 never seeing the light of day.

The 1000+ Healerstrike megathread ultimately amounted to <kupo!>-all and basically nothing. No meaningful changes except Esuna being instant now. Various high-end duties still somehow designed and balanced with Lv80 or Lv90 healer kits in mind, if not outright done without healers. We got a toolkit that would allow us to heal next expansion's first savage with no further additions, probably even just with what will end up iLv790 savage gear in AAC Heavyweight.

Meanwhile last time they caused a legitimate shitstorm by removing ice paradox, just like now we had a ton of Black Mage threads and social media posts pop up telling how bad it is. That actually got resolved and we were VERY happy.

Sorry, but as much as you and Creative Studio III wants to tell us that feedback is likely more recognized from megathreads, currently there is precedence for the opposite to be true.

Maybe, JUST MAYBE, they should not have said basically nothing in the liveletter, be de facto silent about it and actually communicated with us what's to come with Black Mage, just like how they did in 6.3 with Paladin.

Are other things important too? Yes. But if they don't want to communicate well with their playerbase and just do their own thing, then so will the players by making 30 threads on Black Mage.

May as well have variety in our complaint patterns to balance out the lack of variety in job design

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

The Dark Knight megathread has somewhere around 400-500 pages with good discussions and requests. Some badly needed QoL got implemented up to two expansions later after it had been discussed and mentioned ad verbatim (Dark Mind now having physical mit, Missionary now usable in lv70 ultimates as parity with GNB), with many good requests to QoL and having meaningful gameplay which we lost since 5.0 never seeing the light of day.

The 1000+ Healerstrike megathread ultimately amounted to <kupo!>-all and basically nothing. No meaningful changes except Esuna being instant now. Various high-end duties still somehow designed and balanced with Lv80 or Lv90 healer kits in mind, if not outright done without healers. We got a toolkit that would allow us to heal next expansion's first savage with no further additions, probably even just with what will end up iLv790 savage gear in AAC Heavyweight.

Meanwhile last time they caused a legitimate shitstorm by removing ice paradox, just like now we had a ton of Black Mage threads and social media posts pop up telling how bad it is. That actually got resolved and we were VERY happy.

Sorry, but as much as you and Creative Studio III wants to tell us that feedback is likely more recognized from megathreads, currently there is precedence for the opposite to be true.

Maybe, JUST MAYBE, they should not have said basically nothing in the liveletter, be de facto silent about it and actually communicated with us what's to come with Black Mage, just like how they did in 6.3 with Paladin.

Are other things important too? Yes. But if they don't want to communicate well with their playerbase and just do their own thing, then so will the players by making 30 threads on Black Mage.

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ok keep acting like baboon i guess

If your point is

“Stop spamming the forum where they will ignore you and instead put it in a megathread where they will ignore you” at least be honest about your intentions

BLM threads don’t stop you from complaining about other jobs. If you have a complaint then voice it. Square will ignore it anyway but it’s not like it’s people who are unhappy with BLM’s fault

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Yeah defenitly not a bad behavior right...

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...1436c6cd622ed&

Defenitly not acting like a kid right

That’s the most recent poster, not the thread creator

Of course someone is going to enter the front page and drop a comment on any thread they find interesting

You point out that you prefer the megathread method and use an example that is longer than basically the entire history of the JP forums put together (the healerstrike thread) and even acknowledge it achieved nothing tangible in game and yet still say people should self order on the forums

What does putting things into megathreads achieve? Why is it sooooooo painful for you to see multiple threads about a popular complaint relevant to the game right now? If this is such a big deal and square cares about EN feedback why don’t they police this themselves? They police the JP forums.

If you immediately go “well I’ve seen 6 threads and I’m tired so stuff you” you just sound pointlessly vindictive

I think this might be relevant: How Threads Proliferate.

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Originally Posted by CalvinDescoles

This forum is turning into an absolute mess of BLM takes, and it's getting ridiculously repetitive and exhausting.

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Sounds like you're part of the problem

Also, oo yikes maybe don't call it that.

Also also, how would they strike? there's 10 million other dps jobs i dont think it'll matter if some people don't play black mage

Blm doesn't adjust, you adjust for blm.

Mega threads never made sense to me, JP forums have a BLM from 2014, and there is almost 400 pages of feedback, where do you start from to read on specific patch feedback? Between that and Serenaya's MCH thread doing absolutely nothing, and the original healstrike thread not being addressed I can't believe a mega thread is the way they listen to feedback. In which case I'll do my utmost to make my voice heard. Which means doing both threads and mega threads.

random shower thought, if we want more blm changes we just have to find a new alternative rotation, infinity movement rotation and they will surely kill it next patch

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random shower thought, if we want more blm changes we just have to find a new alternative rotation, infinity movement rotation and they will surely kill it next patch

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I mean they kinda didn't. They just made the normal rotation more able to move to comparatively lower the viability of going for an all-instant rotation.

1. Devs say to use the forum for feedback.

2. People use the forum for feedback.

3. ???

4. Somebody finds a reason to complain.

Tale as old as time.

Imagine getting this upset by the state of the forums lmao. This is literally every patch a random job gets spammed deal with it. It's more childish to crash out over it like this than to contribute to the conversation people want to engage in or ignoring it.

Don't really see the point in telling people to form up all their individual threads into a megathread. Maybe it'll create more meaningful commentary, but if the Healstrike thread is anything to go by: the commentary and discussion will go unheard. Maybe keeping BLM discourse condensed somewhere will help other issues surface into discussion more easily, but if the other threads are anything to go by then broadened discussion topics will go unheard. This forum just exists to be one large metaphorical stress ball, complete with some individuals judging others for needing a stress ball.

I am a Japanese player.
Please forgive my poor English.

I envy the situation where there are threads on different topics, like in English forums.
Because I can see what part of the BLM simplification you are all dissatisfied with this time around.

There is only one thread on BLM in the Japanese forum.
There, the number of people complaining about simplification is decreasing.
I think it appears that way because the complainers end up writing in the first few days
and those who accept the changes and the casual players then write in late.

I am afraid that SE will look at such a situation and say,
“The voices of dissatisfaction have calmed down,” or "We have received favorable feedback about the simplification.

I am a player who cannot accept simplification.
But I don't think there is anything more I can do in the Japanese forum. I have already written what I can think of.

I look forward to seeing future discussions in the English Forum.

We appreciate you coming from the Japanese forum and hearing your opinion on how the Japanese forums work

Unfortunately we are rather disillusioned over here as we have reached a point where we truly believe that the devs don’t read the English forums and our feedback is being totally ignored. We also are not allowed to post on the JP forum or our posts get deleted

We hope you have luck in the JP forum as we believe our forum at this point is a waste of time