Deep dungeon portrait kits

Hello, just coming here to express dissapointment that the all new portrait kits from both palace and heaven on high cost potsherds.

It makes me think that the devs are really out of touch with playerbase, especially the deep dungeon community. Potsherds are precious resources that allow us to play more and it is a common stance among players that we do not get enough of them (aside from hoh as 21-30 is basicly neutered so u can do it in 10 minutes).

Please make at least the 10 potsherd framer kit cost clear tokens instead! It is already the case with Eureka Orthos, and i dont think anyone complained the enaretos framers kit costing orthos token.
There is no use for clear tokens after u buy the few things as well, please give me a way to use those!

https://ibb.co/n8824gpy

It would be nice to allow us to use clear tokens to get the framer's kits, or at least let us trade clear tokens for 5-10 potsherds to give them purpose in the long term.

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Originally Posted by Moomba33

It would be nice to allow us to use clear tokens to get the framer's kits, or at least let us trade clear tokens for 5-10 potsherds to give them purpose in the long term.

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Based idea, on top of that they should remove materia from hoards and place potsherds there in its stead. We can already buy the materia at npc.

it takes less than a single clear to easily acquire the needed amount of potsherds..

15 potsherds in less than a single clear? I'm sorry if I'm not the most familiar with deep dungeon mechanics, can you explain?

bronze chests have a ~50% droprate on potsherds past floor 100 or 50
if you get 1 bronze chest per floor, then its ~50 potsherds per clear + the guaranteed ones (in potd)

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

bronze chests have a ~50% droprate on potsherds past floor 100 or 50
if you get 1 bronze chest per floor, then its ~50 potsherds per clear + the guaranteed ones (in potd)

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At least give proper numbers lol. On a good run you can expect sets above 100 to yield ~4 potsherds if you open every single chest. Sometimes its more, and its not uncommon to get less. My recent whm run i got 3 total from 141-170 (opening all chests btw). However you need to account for potions used, while 4 posherds is usually potion positive, its not always the case if you want to go hard or want to feel safe.

Actuall % chance on floors above 100 range from 23% to 45% (not every floor has bronze chests either, floors that have big potsherd chance have 10-15% chance a chest is bronze)

If you run 51-200 in party you can expect 6-12 potsherds going to you (they are randomly distributed between players) guaranteed one included.

If you go solo, sure you will get more (mentioned 4 per set) but you will also spend potions which cost potsherds, unless you specifily farm for them which is not fun and time consuming, and that leads to my point - fuel for your fun runs is also considered a 'reward currency', meanwhile what should be reward currency is just gathering dust in the inventory.


I took the data from https://www.ddcompendium.com/analysis.html#drop-rates
Even more telling is the %chance within all chests, ranging from 3% to 10% (about 5.6% average) and about 60 chests per set (coming to 3.3 potsherds per set).
For chest amount i looked into a few dd tracker files some score runners posted on angelus's discord (and score runners basicly pick every chest as they give points)

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Originally Posted by ThurinTurambar

If you run 51-200 in party you can expect 6-12 potsherds going to you (they are randomly distributed between players) guaranteed one included.

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which is still enough to get the framers kit in a single run, so the complains here are pretty much obsolete (as usual)

It unironically was very easy for me to afford due to being a chronic soloer. Made around 10-12 potsherds before I messed up on a floor mostly full of harambe and gloom (177). If anything I think I was positive even on sustaining potions.

Granted I am an outlier and have 698 potions currently with... 131 potsherds in storage. While I wouldn't be opposed to it having cost pumpkins or crests, potsherds are not difficult to acquire. If you're complaining about that then you're essentially complaining about having to put in work for something.

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Originally Posted by Mesarthim

It unironically was very easy for me to afford due to being a chronic soloer. Made around 10-12 potsherds before I messed up on a floor mostly full of harambe and gloom (177). If anything I think I was positive even on sustaining potions.

Granted I am an outlier and have 698 potions currently with... 131 potsherds in storage. While I wouldn't be opposed to it having cost pumpkins or crests, potsherds are not difficult to acquire. If you're complaining about that then you're essentially complaining about having to put in work for something.

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Sorry that im not willing to slug through 100-180 singlepulling all the way through. Did that once on mch, only using sustain potions on some bosses. Dont want to do that again.
I repeat my complaint is about ignoring the actual reward token and making the kit cost what could be fuel for regular runs. Especially with precedent of Eureka Orthos doing this properly.
Its easy to say 'i earned 12 potsherds doing my run'. But each time it would have to be followed by "i spent 10 of those for potions" if you wanted to actually do the content more.

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

which is still enough to get the framers kit in a single run, so the complains here are pretty much obsolete (as usual)

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So is there any reason you wouldnt want the portrait kit to cost an actuall clear token like it does with Eureka Orthos?
And i take it by ignoring the issue of sustaining potion cost of each run you out yourself as someone who treats deep dungeons not as actual content you can enjoy but a mindless grindfest.

I think the clear token being able to be used to buy the second kit or being able to be traded for potsherds is a good idea because it lowers the influence of rng on your farm. I got no potsherds on a recent run of potd floor 111-120 on solo mch opening every chest. I got only got 4 potsherds on a recent trio run of Heaven on High 21-100. Meanwhile I have 4 of the HoH clear tokens sitting on a retainer with nothing else to buy with them.

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Originally Posted by ThurinTurambar

Sorry that im not willing to slug through 100-180 singlepulling all the way through. Did that once on mch, only using sustain potions on some bosses. Dont want to do that again.
I repeat my complaint is about ignoring the actual reward token and making the kit cost what could be fuel for regular runs. Especially with precedent of Eureka Orthos doing this properly.
Its easy to say 'i earned 12 potsherds doing my run'. But each time it would have to be followed by "i spent 10 of those for potions" if you wanted to actually do the content more.

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When you've done it as long as me, yeah it is actually easy. It still has RNG but I typically do not end my runs with neutral or negative amounts of potions. Like I said I wouldn't have been opposed to having clear tokens used but that ship has sailed. Keep in mind I found that many shards on my solo descent as a BLACK MAGE, i.e. a job with no sustain of its own besides a 2 minute shield. Edit: I also did not spend that many shards on potions.

It's still not difficult enough to accomplish, taking more than a few days of work for only so many sets a day.

HoH though I have zero use for clear tokens. Orthos will likely have the same problem if I spent more time there than PoTD.

Edit: Keep in mind they are 5 and 10 potsherds, 15 total. Just 15. I'm just being my usual blunt self so this isn't some kind of slander or insult thing. You know as well as I do they aren't going to change the currency used. The only thing you can do is just keep doing more runs if you aren't potion efficient.

Palace is always going to be in a weird spot because its potsherds arent as grindable as the other two, but nothing about PoTD is like the other two. MCH is seen as an easy option but honestly other jobs are probably better about saving potsherds since you wont be seeing them much from chests in the regular sets.

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Originally Posted by Mesarthim

When you've done it as long as me, yeah it is actually easy. It still has RNG but I typically do not end my runs with neutral or negative amounts of potions. Like I said I wouldn't have been opposed to having clear tokens used but that ship has sailed. Keep in mind I found that many shards on my solo descent as a BLACK MAGE, i.e. a job with no sustain of its own besides a 2 minute shield. Edit: I also did not spend that many shards on potions.

It's still not difficult enough to accomplish, taking more than a few days of work for only so many sets a day.

HoH though I have zero use for clear tokens. Orthos will likely have the same problem if I spent more time there than PoTD.

Edit: Keep in mind they are 5 and 10 potsherds, 15 total. Just 15. I'm just being my usual blunt self so this isn't some kind of slander or insult thing. You know as well as I do they aren't going to change the currency used. The only thing you can do is just keep doing more runs if you aren't potion efficient.

Palace is always going to be in a weird spot because its potsherds arent as grindable as the other two, but nothing about PoTD is like the other two. MCH is seen as an easy option but honestly other jobs are probably better about saving potsherds since you wont be seeing them much from chests in the regular sets.

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Its not about difficulty of farming 10 potsherds, but the principle of things.
I can assure you i dont lack the experience to get them, you can consult chaos leaderboards if you do not believe.

It just does not feel right when EO's version costs an orthos tomestone and it already requires you to reach final floor.
Its the same thing as materia being in both hoard loot pool and being purchasable for potsherds. Its bad game design.

Yeah, palace is the oddball out of the current three. I'm sitting on a glass pumpkin even. The other deep dungeons have a static progression where if you clear, you can buy it with the clear token. Palace is entirely RNG save for 50 and 100 (which is a minimum of... 5 sets). I mightve gotten like 12 shards that descent but it isnt always like that.

But it's just like people on the class forums and their job suggestions. I know their changes aren't ever going to happen, much like how this change isn't going to happen. They can't make basic QoL things people have been asking for years so I don't ever see them bothering with a tiny deep dungeon reward change. I imagine for some people it'll be a lot more than 1-2 descents. I have enough potsherds to buy thousands of sustaining potions but since framing kits aren't sellable... Can't just have a case of "Oh you wanna buy one? Sure."

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Originally Posted by Mesarthim

But it's just like people on the class forums and their job suggestions. I know their changes aren't ever going to happen, much like how this change isn't going to happen.."

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My tiny hope is that since deep dungeon 4 is coming, they will give a tiny bit of attention to deep dungeons overall. Just like when they made auto-heal penalty enchantment affect mobs as well like a patch before Eureka Orthos. Of course the chance is slim, but it still is a chance.
At least my pomander of lust on blm bug report got accepted and moved to 'planning to address' limbo Xd