Baffling change to EW alliance raids in 7.2 patch notes

I'd like to hear the reasoning for this change
https://i.imgur.com/qV07YtO.png

I assume this is because aglaia is a popular leveling instance for levels 90-100, but... Why do you consider that a problem?

In the notes right before that, it says the bonus experience points for the alliance duty roulette has been increased, but that's only once a day. Why was it decided to take this option away from players? If it's stressing the instance servers in some way, I could understand, but if it was just taken away because players were engaging with the game in a way you didn't like, then I think you should reconsider your decision making process

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Originally Posted by Velthice

I'd like to hear the reasoning for this change
https://i.imgur.com/qV07YtO.png

I assume this is because aglaia is a popular leveling instance for levels 90-100, but... Why do you consider that a problem?

In the notes right before that, it says the bonus experience points for the alliance duty roulette has been increased, but that's only once a day. Why was it decided to take this option away from players? If it's stressing the instance servers in some way, I could understand, but if it was just taken away because players were engaging with the game in a way you didn't like, then I think you should reconsider your decision making process

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This choice is beyond bad.

I know Aglaia etc., isn't exactly the epitome of interesting, but the prospect of incentivizing people doing Alliance Raids by getting EXP is absolutely a good idea.

It's been the ONLY good idea they've had this expansion, so it should be that ALL OTHER alliance raids are made to be more in-line with these 3, as opposed to making these 3 in-line with all others.

It's an MMO, you would think large-scale content and alliance raid esque content to have proper EXP incentives, I would argue more so, or just as much as the 4-man duties.

Absolutely a bad change, not that I expect good decision making in the first place.

but you know it's so much fun to force ppl into CT... i mean alliance roulette

"Fun detected. Fun eliminated."

-Bliz....Square Enix

Is the "problem" stemming from the fact the earring we got with pre-order still gives a 30% boost when you synch to level 90 and... er... I actually don't know why that is a problem beyond giving us "too much" XP.

Very weird decision. At the same time they buffed bonus EXP from araid roulette for everything that's not Syrcus Tower or World of Darkness. They dont want people to specifically queue for the EW araids to farm EXP. Only roulette allowed I guess.

The reason why they're doing it
https://i.ibb.co/FbCtBnPs/exp.png

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Originally Posted by Kandraxx

"Fun detected. Fun eliminated."

-Bliz....Square Enix

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"Stop playing the game how you want to, play the game how we want you to."

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Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard

The reason why they're doing it

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Because people directly queued for the level 90 Alliance Raids instead of running Alliance Raid only once per day using the roulette feature, that had to be cut down. Can't stop respecting the players time now, can we? /s

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Originally Posted by Velthice

I'd like to hear the reasoning for this change
https://i.imgur.com/qV07YtO.png

I assume this is because aglaia is a popular leveling instance for levels 90-100, but... Why do you consider that a problem?

In the notes right before that, it says the bonus experience points for the alliance duty roulette has been increased, but that's only once a day. Why was it decided to take this option away from players? If it's stressing the instance servers in some way, I could understand, but if it was just taken away because players were engaging with the game in a way you didn't like, then I think you should reconsider your decision making process

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It's probably because people who were doing it for the first time or were new to the game had issues finding a group via Matchmaking, but perhaps it's time to have another look at the Trust and improve it further. Make it actually a viable and comparable alternative.

Thank god I no longer have to deal with this nonsense. For me at least, dungeon spam is just a miserable experience. Not one single one of them is fun to do, especially not when you have to level several jobs.

There are two types of duties:

"Leveling" duties, which include any duties in the following level ranges: 1-49, 51-59, 61-69, 71-79, 81-89, 91-99

"Max Level" duties aka "High-level", which include any duties at these levels: 50, 60, 70, 80, 90, 100

Leveling duties have always been designed to give lots of experience points, while max level ones don't give any until they are modified to do so after the level cap increase. The max level ones usually are not scaled to give much experience.

So, from their perspective, it's an oversight. However, in practice, it doesn't matter and nobody really cares about the distinction. So it's odd that they have seen that as a priority over almost any other pressing issue in the game.

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Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard

The reason why they're doing it
https://i.ibb.co/FbCtBnPs/exp.png

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NO ONE CARES.

I don't want to help botters unlock msq or just level up in level 50 raids. Or do obnoxiously tuned level 80 raids that require 40+ minutes to complete.

I recall hearing the bonus exp on the Azeyma Earrings apply when synced to lv90 content and spamming Aglaia was one of the fastest ways to level from lv90 and up, so it's probably in response to that

This is what they choose to spend time debating BTW. Not fixing the stalking plugin, not fixing Hrothgar/Viera hats, not fixing the graphic eye strain.

As someone who used Aglaia for leveling all of my jobs after the MSQ in Dawntrail in like a week or two,i have no horse in this race anymore but all i can say is that: "L change"

I dont know why they are so hellbent on funneling everyone and their mother to dogwater lvl50 raids and forcing everyone to rely on daily bonuses...well i do know why they are doing it, but its still tonedeaf.

With Aglaia, we at least had an efficient way to level up jobs we dont really like in a relatively high level, stress free environment where we could get some idea how the job actually works past level 50 and have buttons to press beyond 1-2-3.
I mean sure we can still do that for less xp, but the more jobs we have in each expansion, leveling all of them up takes longer and longer.

Aglaia was a nice way to somewhat "tip the scales" in our favor for once, pun definitely intended.

Pro hint, instead of messing with stuff nobody wanted to change, remove MSQ roulette since it erves no purpose anymore and relocate that xp into 50-60-70-80-90 roulette where some dungeons really do struggle with ques. But nah robbing everyone of that peak lvl50 combat and realm reborn cutscene quality on a daily basis is unacceptable.

dont worry, you can spam fates in the new eureka zone as best leveling method soon enough

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

dont worry, you can spam fates in the new eureka zone as best leveling method soon enough

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No you won't lol, it's going to require level cap jobs like Eureka.
They only set Bozja up for leveling because ShB didn't get a Deep Dungeon, everyone is talking about how "oh they want people to actually do alliance roulette" (which - good! If you want more variety in alliance roulette, have you considered maybe unlocking raids other than Crystal Tower and level 90 Crystal Tower btw?) but the real thing they are obsessed with pushing people towards as a source of leveling is Deep Dungeons. I'll never understand why that seems to be the one corner of side content that gets pushed so hard...

Not really too baffling at all, there is a new Deep Dungeon coming in 7.3, gotta keep ppl from hitting 100 too fast on alt jobs or it will be as dead as the last one. And you know SE, they want you to play how they want you to play, not how you want to.

The developers want to keep leveling dungeons and other Dawntrail content populated one year after the expansion’s release, yet they have not given the community any new leveling methods.

Following the Stormblood timeline, we should be at the .25 patch by now. Instead, we have to wait an extra month to unlock Savage loot and two extra months to get an Operations Field.

At this pace, we’ll be waiting five extra months for the deep dungeon. But in their heads, as long as everything follows FFXIV’s strict formula and releases in the same patch, they think players aren’t actually waiting longer.

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Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia

Not really too baffling at all, there is a new Deep Dungeon coming in 7.3, gotta keep ppl from hitting 100 too fast on alt jobs or it will be as dead as the last one. And you know SE, they want you to play how they want you to play, not how you want to.

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Bit late to stop people from capping their alt jobs after *looks at calendar* 9 months.

The cynic in me definitely thinks the devs just want players to need more days (ie. more months of subscription) to level all the jobs they want to play. The nerf to lv 90 alliance raid exp and buff to the roulette means the time-gated way of doing it is relatively better now.

But on the surface, I think letting dps players keep doing alliance raids for exp is a good idea. Otherwise the best option is to keep queuing for dungeons, which means dps queues will be worse for them. Perhaps it should be taken even further and the devs should consider further increasing the default exp from the lv 60/70/80 alliance raids as well. This would made dungeon queues less bad for dps for levels 61-89, and also help make alliance raid roulette not just be Crystal Tower roulette so often, and also generally seems nice to me because it’s a good way to level up jobs that has us actually playing the game with others.

Maybe an argument can be made that the good exp from alliance raid spamming also takes healers out of dungeon queues? But a solution to that would be to try having the time:experience ratio for alliance raids spamming to still be good, but just not as good as dungeon spamming.

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

Is the "problem" stemming from the fact the earring we got with pre-order still gives a 30% boost when you synch to level 90 and... er... I actually don't know why that is a problem beyond giving us "too much" XP.

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All the EXP earrings have worked that way. The problem is that the EW raids gave more exp, relatively speaking, than the other raids. This change is just bringing them all in line with each other.

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

dont worry, you can spam fates in the new eureka zone as best leveling method soon enough

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You have to be level 100 to enter and it's a completely separate exp system, it isn't possible to use it for levelling other jobs.

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Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia

Not really too baffling at all, there is a new Deep Dungeon coming in 7.3, gotta keep ppl from hitting 100 too fast on alt jobs or it will be as dead as the last one. And you know SE, they want you to play how they want you to play, not how you want to.

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Lol like ppl arent done leveling all jobs if they really want to... Same with roulette exp. IF ppl really wanna get things done they always may spam the highest dungeon, you can not prevent em unless you literally force daily AND weekly exp caps lol

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Originally Posted by Jaltaer

No you won't lol, it's going to require level cap jobs like Eureka.
They only set Bozja up for leveling because ShB didn't get a Deep Dungeon, everyone is talking about how "oh they want people to actually do alliance roulette" (which - good! If you want more variety in alliance roulette, have you considered maybe unlocking raids other than Crystal Tower and level 90 Crystal Tower btw?) but the real thing they are obsessed with pushing people towards as a source of leveling is Deep Dungeons. I'll never understand why that seems to be the one corner of side content that gets pushed so hard...

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Previous deep dungeon xp was so bad, you better stay inside bozja till 90. If we ever get dt deep dungeon, it will die fast just like eureka orthos.

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Originally Posted by yesnt

Bit late to stop people from capping their alt jobs after *looks at calendar* 9 months.

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Yes I agree, but we are talking about SE here lol

Um... level 90 raid alliance helped me max most of my classes, but a little bit too fast. I shouldn't be leveling twice in a dungeon, especially when exp is so fast to get at this point. It does help getting away from trash Crystal Meth Tower in which they should nerf the exp instead to avoid people just doing the daily roulettes for it.

By the time the deep dungeon is out most people will have leveled up all the jobs they wanted to 100 anyway

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Originally Posted by Garruss

By the time the deep dungeon is out most people will have leveled up all the jobs they wanted to 100 anyway

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should already be the case to be honest, been having everything to 100 for like 5 mounths now and so by using only leveling roulette