Chaotic Raid - FOMO

Hello

I am curious on peoples opinions about the Chaotic Raid. I like to collect armors of the game. I prioritize savages mainly, but now there's this new chaotic raid.

I don't play the game much, maybe mid-core'ish, and I just got done with Arcadion, as I started late. I realize and understand that, when something comes out, it should be the main focus, but I was much more invested in Arcadion savage and glam collecting.

So now that 7.2 is around the corner, and nobody has patience for a Chaotic Lockout / learning, we all know chaotic is most likely going to be dead content. How am I supposed to get a clear for it?

Also, do you think it's good content? I feel 8 person content already has people on edge, I have no clue how some of you got the clear for a chaotic where after 2 wipes, the whole group disbands, over and over again.

you could say its bad content because it doesnt fit into this community which has a rather strong rush mentality (which isnt really this specific contents fault). other than that i do think its good content and i like it very much.

people stop doing content after they got all rewards from it is normal and will never change

Join a dedicated Free Company with similar interests.
A dedicated group that rehearses the content will not simply quit on two failed pulls, and they generally expect their members to do some research before diving headfirst into Chaotic.
This may be a dead-and-or-budding genre, but that doesn't guarantee its removal; it just means there may be only one of its kind, of which the majority of the playerbase that didn't invest in it at its founding may invest in it two expansions from now if we make it that far. The same with pre-existing Trials that were incredibly hard for others to master, even coordinated (such as Alphascape Savage in its prime); they were conquered and have no current value in terms of progression but still exist for others to fall back on for hobbies. I don't think there's anything to worry about. It doesn't make sense to 'remove' a piece of content that kept the FCs that passed all the current Dawntrail EXs from dying or retiring of boredom.

Participation might go down in 7.2 but I'm sure there will be Discord groups that'll regularly run it, similar to Baldesion Arsenal and Delibrum Reginae (Savage). One would hope that people joining a group through Discord won't immediately bail after 1 or 2 wipes like you see in PF.

We’ll have to see both how the content works when we have better gear (ie. can be be done unsynced like Savage?) and also whether people are still doing it later on in dedicated groups. In two years there’s still gonna be people who want the hairstyle/mounts/glam

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Originally Posted by Voryn

We’ll have to see both how the content works when we have better gear (ie. can be be done unsynced like Savage?) and also whether people are still doing it later on in dedicated groups. In two years there’s still gonna be people who want the hairstyle/mounts/glam

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It's currently ilvl synced for 735. They should honestly just get rid of that. This isn't Ultimate content, let people quickly farm their mounts and gear in the future.

There are discords for it. I'd suggest joining those when the FOMO runs out.

I only progged the first half of it, but I thought it was really good content. The problem was how the other half of the fight requires a bit much in the way of coordination for PF so maybe they will adjust that for the next one they do. Nevertheless, it's possible to clear it, so.

TBH thats what I hate about chaotic
It's so hard to keep a PF of 8 people let alone 24
I just hope discords form that organize clears for them like BA and DRS
As a collector, I just want the damn stuff, I couldn't care less about the actual fight

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Originally Posted by Espon

It's currently ilvl synced for 735. They should honestly just get rid of that.

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I don't agree with that. Too much content in this game just gets unsynced. Doing... the content is part of the experience. What's the point in it if you don't actually experience the content?

TOO BAD, criterion was so ass, god bless chaotic is carrying for new content. However this chaotic will be on trash bin due how design wasnt great to recover easily. maybe the next one will be better.

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Originally Posted by Zarkovitch

TOO BAD, criterion was so ass, god bless chaotic is carrying for new content. However this chaotic will be on trash bin due how design wasnt great to recover easily. maybe the next one will be better.

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I think Chaotic was too hard for this fact. If you couldn't recover your group, it was a wipe. And the biggest problem was that several groups had completely different mechanics to deal with, and if everyone wasn't positioned correctly with the swap, you ended up doing something completely different than you were supposed to do.

Chaotic is some of the most fun I've had in this game. I suspect there will be a sharp drop off in people doing it when 7.2 comes out, but because of the way the rewards are set up, there will always be people interested in running it.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

I don't agree with that. Too much content in this game just gets unsynced. Doing... the content is part of the experience. What's the point in it if you don't actually experience the content?

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I think the issue is people see no reason to "experience" content they don't like.

Lots of dead content already. Morbol mount? GL bro. Eureka fragments? Go to obscure third party sites and sign up like it was a job offer. Bozja/Zadnor? Wasteland, unless you’re there at absolute server prime.

Seeing that the population number is also continuing its downward trend they should just get over the inevitable now and shuffle some items and rewards around and also add bots for everything, that includes “high-end” content.

So Chaotic is 10/10 content tbh, mechanics are more than just Spread or Stack (tho has a couple in there ofcourse), Phase 1 with the Hand of Doom is great, Death/Aero is cool. Phase 2 is a masterpiece with the arena and the tiles, chasing AOEs on the tiles is pure evil, the brambles are well done. The rewards are great so 10/10 i recommend getting in it. There are several discords for it but i PFs all my kills til i got my cloud of darkness mount

Guess they could do something like make the drop bonus time permanent during mog treasure tomes events...

Oh god did they confirm there would be next chaotic raids?

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Originally Posted by Valence

Oh god did they confirm there would be next chaotic raids?

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They "would like" to do one when they next get round to it but not actual confirmation such as a date.

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Originally Posted by Kandraxx

Bozja/Zadnor? Wasteland,

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most of the stuff in bozja can be done solo at least, except for the instanced raids, i finished most of the things there near the end of endwalker and there were still plenty of people going around, at least enough to clear the raids, but i also had to solo a lot of fights.

All the stuff in there scales with player numbers, so you can solo fates and CE without much problems.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

I don't agree with that. Too much content in this game just gets unsynced. Doing... the content is part of the experience. What's the point in it if you don't actually experience the content?

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What's the point of not allowing it to later be unsynced if it means it's FOMO content that never gets done after the initial rush of people get what they want from it? Unsyncing helps keeps interest in content alive and makes it possible to complete down the line for people who either missed the rush or are new. Unsyncing also means someone who has done the content can help someone else later if they can't find the full amount of people. MINE is always there for those who want that option.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

I don't agree with that. Too much content in this game just gets unsynced. Doing... the content is part of the experience. What's the point in it if you don't actually experience the content?

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Whilst I agree in principle... There is a fundamental issue with the game that it doesn't enable long-form content, e.g., content like Savage, Extreme Primals and even Chaotic are not long-form pieces of content. They get exhausted after a couple of patches.

So once the content has exhausted a 1-2 patch cycle then usually it becomes pretty irrelevant as successor content is released. e.g., there is no real reason to do 7.05 savage when 7.2 savage has released. Just by virtue of character progression now being tied to 7.2.

Now obviously the mounts are an incentive as is the general glamour, but as a piece of content ages, it just gradually gets more difficult to arrange since it isn't any longer tied to character progression.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

What's the point of not allowing it to later be unsynced if it means it's FOMO content that never gets done after the initial rush of people get what they want from it? Unsyncing helps keeps interest in content alive and makes it possible to complete down the line for people who either missed the rush or are new. Unsyncing also means someone who has done the content can help someone else later if they can't find the full amount of people. MINE is always there for those who want that option.

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The way this *particular* content has been set up, if they never allow it to be run unsynced, people will still do it because one of the mounts, the minion, and the hairstyle can be sold for gil. That will keep some people doing it for quite a long time in ways that people don't for Extremes and Savages. There is also incentive built in for people who have done it to help people clear it in the form of more currency to buy items that can in turn be sold for gil. It's never going to be "the current thing" again, but adding a gil incentive to Chaotic is going to keep it low-key relevant for a long time.

Part of the reason FOMO exists at all for old content is because it can be unsynced. Just look at BA and DRS, which are still being done. If you can't unsync it then you have to find a way to do it such as forming/joining a discord or creating a static, and those statics form because of the fact it can't be unsynced.

I really loved it but always the need to find 24 people is just a pain, maybe they should decrease it to 12 people 3x 4 groups, would even open the path to more content which involves more 3x4 group settings

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Originally Posted by Astronis

The way this *particular* content has been set up, if they never allow it to be run unsynced, people will still do it because one of the mounts, the minion, and the hairstyle can be sold for gil. That will keep some people doing it for quite a long time in ways that people don't for Extremes and Savages. There is also incentive built in for people who have done it to help people clear it in the form of more currency to buy items that can in turn be sold for gil. It's never going to be "the current thing" again, but adding a gil incentive to Chaotic is going to keep it low-key relevant for a long time.

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I'm on Aether and there already less and less parties for it. Most are farms, so not sure how it's supposed to stay alive if people can't get enough for learning in the future. It's around 11pm eastern and on Aether PF I see 5 Chaotic parties. 2 are farms, 1 is a C41, and 2 are clear parties. Contrast with 15 M4S parties, both learning and farm. If we still have to get 24 people all on the same page in a few patches or next expansion, then it's probably going to die in PF.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

I'm on Aether and there already less and less parties for it. Most are farms, so not sure how it's supposed to stay alive if people can't get enough for learning in the future. It's around 11pm eastern and on Aether PF I see 5 Chaotic parties. 2 are farms, 1 is a C41, and 2 are clear parties. Contrast with 15 M4S parties, both learning and farm. If we still have to get 24 people all on the same page in a few patches or next expansion, then it's probably going to die in PF.

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"Die in PF" doesn't mean it's going to be totally dead content. People are going to still be running it somewhere because of the money aspect, but it may be in Discords or somesuch, the way Baldesian Arsenal is. People are still running that pretty frequently. Though sure, it's going to be harder to get 24 people gathered up in PF as time goes on.

The ability to unsync or not won't change that.

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Originally Posted by Astronis

"Die in PF" doesn't mean it's going to be totally dead content. People are going to still be running it somewhere because of the money aspect, but it may be in Discords or somesuch, the way Baldesian Arsenal is. People are still running that pretty frequently. Though sure, it's going to be harder to get 24 people gathered up in PF as time goes on.

The ability to unsync or not won't change that.

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It's not really healthy for the game if their new content gets relegated to something you can only do if you find X Discord. The ability to unsync this with less people would make it appear in PF since you wouldn't have to wait for 24 people.

From what I've been able to prog so far, I've thoroughly enjoyed the Chaotic Raid. As I've only relatively recently begun doing High end duties on content, It has however shown me just how easy it is to miss the boat on these things. I focused first on grinding Ex3 and while I got my 100 totems I've long since missed the boat for Party Finder prog groups to easily fill. And who'd want to bring along a newbie when you're just after your weekly loot or see a bonus window?

Actually the bonus window, while a great idea for re-clears, has been a right pain for bringing up new players - now that there's enough people to fill parties during bonus windows there's little and less desire to join prog groups, especially if that window is up! We're lucky to see a party fill during a Friday or Saturday night!
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Content that is outdated 1-2 expacs should get Trust bots. It’s a billion dollar company and it’s so easy to do because of the fights being 100% scripted down to the second, so there shouldn’t be any excuses really. If a random dev can create a $10 couch for the store during his lunch break, then he can also program a bunch of bot pathways and behaviors.

And who cares if someone solo clears a full savage tier or 3 Ultimates in an afternoon, it’s all artificial difficulty anyway due to it being forced 8-player. Go cry a river because you had to spend 30 pointless hours with a bunch of people you didn’t like.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

It's not really healthy for the game if their new content gets relegated to something you can only do if you find X Discord. The ability to unsync this with less people would make it appear in PF since you wouldn't have to wait for 24 people.

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Not sure why it would be any healthier for the game to make content unsynceable and nerf it so reduced numbers of players can finish it within any timeframe that that content could still be called "new". Seems like that would be worse for the game to scuttle their content so fast. Why even bother making it in that case?

If it can ever be unsynced, it will be in a couple of years, and by then no one will be under any illusions that it's "new".