"Nothing to do"

So many ppl complaining about the patch lull.. well if there's nothing to do why havent i seen more big fish title holders

because most people don't like fishing

Not a lot of World-class Trollers around, smh my head

When people say "Nothing to do" they mean PvE content.

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Originally Posted by Tint

When people say "Nothing to do" they mean PvE content.

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PvE : Player Versus Environment.

Sorry, but gathering and Fishing fit perfectly to this description.... And don't get me wong, i hate fishing, but it's still PvE content.

Fight the fish

Well, I prefer fishing over botany and mining...

When people say there's nothing to do, they are referring to nothing that holds their interests. People shouldn't be forced to go into a fairly niche section of the game just to get what little scraps of content there is.

The developers should be doing a much better job, and no amount of "Go do all those Big Fish", and "Haven't you thought about doing Frontlines until you feel like crying for the several thousand victories achievement" is going to resolve the serious content deficit.

It's an utter sad state of affairs when the suggestions amount to "Go do content from 3 expansions ago". We have been doing this already for long enough.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

When people say there's nothing to do, they are referring to nothing that holds their interests. People shouldn't be forced to go into a fairly niche section of the game just to get what little scraps of content there is.

The developers should be doing a much better job, and no amount of "Go do all those Big Fish", and "Haven't you thought about doing Frontlines until you feel like crying for the several thousand victories achievement" is going to resolve the serious content deficit.

It's an utter sad state of affairs when the suggestions amount to "Go do content from 3 expansions ago". We have been doing this already for long enough.

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I'm just worried the exploratory zone is going to suck like the last two did. We also still don't have a relic grind. They are doing the best PR to make people not play their game. It's a joke.

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Originally Posted by Ardeth

I'm just worried the exploratory zone is going to suck like the last two did. We also still don't have a relic grind. They are doing the best PR to make people not play their game. It's a joke.

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To be honest, I don't actually have faith in it being something new. Just Bozja with a fresh coat of paint, probably. But at the very least there is some enjoyment to be found in exploratory zone.

You would have thought with the bare minimum effort put into designing the relic acquisition last expansion, that they would've had the perfect idea already to release the relics sooner.

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Originally Posted by freshavocado

So many ppl complaining about the patch lull.. well if there's nothing to do why havent i seen more big fish title holders

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See, when people say "There's nothing to do" they don't actually mean that. What they mean is "There's no recent iteration of the specific brand of content I wish to play". That is, an instanced zone with a large enough population that they can passively reap the benefits of being in a party while paying more attention to whatever streaming service is running on their second monitor.

Oh boy. You know a franchise has hit a rough patch once these topics start popping up...

People really out here pretending collecting 20,000 accursed hoard is content.

Sure, there are technically things to do. The problem is that there is absolutely nothing that anyone wants to do.

We should just get every achivement too while we are at it

Because FSH unsubbed too.
Been there ; done that ; came back to 8 new big fish for 4 months ; going to unsub again.
Forum is more fun than the game for FSH with bait like this.

I can't believe there are people with the audacity to say this patch doesn't have content when they don't even have every achievement.

Next time, in our english course, we'll talk about a figure of speech : the hyperbole. I'm so tired of people taking that in the first degree, when it's a basic figure of speech everyone uses everyday. But no, there is a always a brainiac to say "no it's not that there is nothing to do, there is nothing you want to do", basically saying "It's not the game that has a problem, it's you".

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

To be honest, I don't actually have faith in it being something new. Just Bozja with a fresh coat of paint, probably. But at the very least there is some enjoyment to be found in exploratory zone.

You would have thought with the bare minimum effort put into designing the relic acquisition last expansion, that they would've had the perfect idea already to release the relics sooner.

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It definitely just looks like Bozja 2.0. Maybe it will be less convaluted, lol.

I actually liked the last relic grind. I know loads hated it, but I liked having a use for my unlocked tomestones. Plus, the two before it were attached to thouse horrid zones, so it was nice not to have to worry about it.

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Originally Posted by Basteala

Oh boy. You know a franchise has hit a rough patch once these topics start popping up...

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People have always said this. I saw people saying this in Heavensward and Stormblood. So it must always be "there's nothing to do that I'm personally interested in" rather than that they have every single achievement, mount, minion, etc.

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Originally Posted by Tint

When people say "Nothing to do" they mean PvE content.

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Yeah, those players controlling the fish are tough customers.

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Originally Posted by Lorika

PvE : Player Versus Environment.

Sorry, but gathering and Fishing fit perfectly to this description.... And don't get me wong, i hate fishing, but it's still PvE content.

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It is not, it means battle scenarios. Unless you count fishing as battle against hunger - it is not it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Player_versus_environment

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

People have always said this. I saw people saying this in Heavensward and Stormblood. So it must always be "there's nothing to do that I'm personally interested in" rather than that they have every single achievement, mount, minion, etc.

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I don't recall seeing it overmuch in SHB and EW. Also wasn't content in HW infamously rough and carried by the story beats?

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Originally Posted by SongOfTheWind

It is not, it means battle scenarios. Unless you count fishing as battle against hunger - it is not it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Player_versus_environment

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Mother of god, you guys really will argue against literally anything, no matter how little sense it makes.

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Originally Posted by NamiRocket

Mother of god, you guys really will argue against literally anything, no matter how little sense it makes.

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Did you miss the name of this thread?

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Originally Posted by SongOfTheWind

Did you miss the name of this thread?

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Does the name of the thread contain the terms "PvE" or "fish"?

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Originally Posted by SongOfTheWind

It is not, it means battle scenarios. Unless you count fishing as battle against hunger - it is not it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Player_versus_environment

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But it is since UO and EQ.

And BTW

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What a reliable source ^^

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Originally Posted by Ardeth

It definitely just looks like Bozja 2.0. Maybe it will be less convaluted, lol.

I actually liked the last relic grind. I know loads hated it, but I liked having a use for my unlocked tomestones. Plus, the two before it were attached to thouse horrid zones, so it was nice not to have to worry about it.

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Meanwhile I am having a blast in Eureka and enjoying the community there. I felt no sense of accomplishment or me,or able journey just buying Tombstone Weapon #2. In fact I just destroyed nearly all of mine as I have no attachment to them whatsoever, as I would any other piece of random gear I no longer need.

EW relics were just lazy and disappointing.

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Originally Posted by freshavocado

So many ppl complaining about the patch lull.. well if there's nothing to do why havent i seen more big fish title holders

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Perhaps you're looking in the wrong direction. Most of the folks complaining have EXHAUSTED the extra content, and not every activity is going to appeal or draw in the playerbase. 'Nothing to do' means nothing that catches their interest or eye.

All the Big Fish are Final Fish now, which you'd probably know if you did fishing

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

When people say there's nothing to do, they are referring to nothing that holds their interests. People shouldn't be forced to go into a fairly niche section of the game just to get what little scraps of content there is.

The developers should be doing a much better job, and no amount of "Go do all those Big Fish", and "Haven't you thought about doing Frontlines until you feel like crying for the several thousand victories achievement" is going to resolve the serious content deficit.

It's an utter sad state of affairs when the suggestions amount to "Go do content from 3 expansions ago". We have been doing this already for long enough.

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It’s literally impossible to produce mainstream content at a rate that keeps pace with the players devouring it.

Well, at least content that still adheres to some sort of quality standards and has no cheesy roadblocks in place, like WoW TBC Brutallus that was nothing but a numbers and gear check and prolonged the patch in an artificial way. But that wouldn’t even work here because the gearing is way faster and easier and the “raids” work differently.

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Originally Posted by Kandraxx

It’s literally impossible to produce mainstream content at a rate that keeps pace with the players devouring it.

Well, at least content that still adheres to some sort of quality standards and has no cheesy roadblocks in place, like WoW TBC Brutallus that was nothing but a numbers and gear check and prolonged the patch in an artificial way. But that wouldn’t even work here because the gearing is way faster and easier and the “raids” work differently.

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That doesn’t mean that “oh people will always consume content faster than can be made so the answer is to make no content at all” is a valid answer to this problem

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Originally Posted by Kandraxx

It’s literally impossible to produce mainstream content at a rate that keeps pace with the players devouring it.

Well, at least content that still adheres to some sort of quality standards and has no cheesy roadblocks in place, like WoW TBC Brutallus that was nothing but a numbers and gear check and prolonged the patch in an artificial way. But that wouldn’t even work here because the gearing is way faster and easier and the “raids” work differently.

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I would say nobody is asking them to have that constant production in mind, as yes it is not feasible.

But they do not even put in any modicum of effort towards giving the players something to actually devour. It's like "Here's your 1-time snack, you can get another one in 13 months time.". People are not asking for a constant meal by any stretch of the imagination.

I mean, there’s probably some ultra rare mount or minion or something out there that only 1% of the playerbase has or something, so I guess nobody can ever claim there’s no content left ever again lol (sarcasm).

I just don’t understand responding to ‘there’s no content I want to do’ with ‘but what about all that content you don’t want to do’. Like, if they wanted to do that content they’d surely be in the game doing it and not on the forums complaining about having nothing to do lol

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Originally Posted by freshavocado

So many ppl complaining about the patch lull.. well if there's nothing to do why havent i seen more big fish title holders

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If your argument to that claim is that not many people engage to a completionist degree in FFXIVs most awful content....
I'd rather uninstall the game than going and relying on daytimes and weathers to line up to spin RNG wheels of fishing.
Content I have no desire engaging in and gets me nowhere except wasting hours of my lifetime while bringing me no entertainment.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

Meanwhile I am having a blast in Eureka and enjoying the community there. I felt no sense of accomplishment or me,or able journey just buying Tombstone Weapon #2. In fact I just destroyed nearly all of mine as I have no attachment to them whatsoever, as I would any other piece of random gear I no longer need.

EW relics were just lazy and disappointing.

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I didn't mind it. Ironically, I'd rather have Eureka 2.0 instead of Bozja 2.0. But my major issue with them is just how overly convaluted and contrived they feel as systems.

It's just too much all at once.

When it comes to relics, I'm fine with doing them as is. Once they are done and you got 50 steps to get it done, it becomes tiresome all for a skin.

Warframe: 1999 just came out and Path of Exile 2 is in early access. If anything, I have too much to do.

"Man, I'm bored sitting around my house, there's nothing to do..."

"Oh really? Have you cleaned every speck of dust off of your bookshelf yet? Better get your tweezers!"

YAWN.

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Originally Posted by Lorika

PvE : Player Versus Environment.

Sorry, but gathering and Fishing fit perfectly to this description.... And don't get me wong, i hate fishing, but it's still PvE content.

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Huh. Strange take. Elaborate?

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Originally Posted by Lilapop

Huh. Strange take. Elaborate?

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There are not other players playing as the fish.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

There are not other players playing as the fish.

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Wouldn't "vs" imply there's some form of conflict? Fishing has to be some of the most peaceful content this game has.