Wind-up Philos/ Wind-up Aidoneus Virtually Unobtainable via Normal Methods

SE Team, the referenced two minions are now nearly in the "Heavensward Hunting Hawk" level of rarity. Not only are these extremely rare maps drops, but the maps that drop the minions aren't ran by the community. If I recall, previous maps can't be unsynched which means it's not solo-able. While these minions are available on the marketboard, the prices (due to the extreme rarity) are well beyond what I would assume would be standard player affordability.

Please consider adding these to the Moogle Tome events or another method for acquiring.

While maps ARE soloable by some jobs, overall I find it annoying that they can't be unsynced. It makes farming clears for the level 70 ones so much of a drag.

Just set up a PF for the maps - they still get traction today. You only need a few people to bite.

Unsyncing the maps and allowing people to easily blow through them solo will completely devalue the minion's market value.

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Originally Posted by Greydor

SE Team, the referenced two minions are now nearly in the "Heavensward Hunting Hawk" level of rarity. Not only are these extremely rare maps drops, but the maps that drop the minions aren't ran by the community. If I recall, previous maps can't be unsynched which means it's not solo-able. While these minions are available on the marketboard, the prices (due to the extreme rarity) are well beyond what I would assume would be standard player affordability.

Please consider adding these to the Moogle Tome events or another method for acquiring.

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have you considered that some things are meant to exist as a sense of pride and accomplishment?
they aren't going to make this more accesible because they were DESIGNED to be obtained through an extremely rare method

Luck is not accomplishment

If you take pride in doing the same map 20k times (on average) for that one lvl 70 map achievement, re-evaluate your life choices.

The treasure map dungeons definitely could use being doable unsynced, so you don't need to find a group for past expansions maps.

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Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard

The treasure map dungeons definitely could use being doable unsynced, so you don't need to find a group for past expansions maps.

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You don't need a full group of 8, you need like 3 people.
Treasure dungeons aren't going to be given the unsynced treatment for the same reason why Variant/Criterion dungeons aren't getting it.

I've always thought map rng should drastically improve the older the maps get

I've done a lot of roulette maps in ShB and EW, but my portals never ended up on one of the silver tiles where the minion is from >_> <_<

Let there be rare drops man.

I see PFs regularly for those maps and getting the gils is not so difficult if you put some effort. Why should everything be low effort and given away? It’s good to keep some rare drops.

You don’t even need a full group btw, just get two people and clear some maps.

I'm not sure where "a sense of pride and accomplishment" is coming from. These are rng based; it's luck.

Theyre supposed to be extremely rare. I've only seen the golden beaver once and never seen the endwalker dolls at all. I prefer it this way. Makes them special

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Originally Posted by Greydor

I'm not sure where "a sense of pride and accomplishment" is coming from. These are rng based; it's luck.

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Working on getting enough gil to outright buy them on the market board.
The Golden Beaver, and Aidoneus/Philos are going for 40M gil on the MB, while Fallen Angel Wings, Wivre and Ty'aitya are going for 80M, and the 2 Mount Token mounts are going for 20M gil.

Which makes sense because no-one wants to do non-current side content and then they complain that the game's dead.

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Originally Posted by Greydor

I'm not sure where "a sense of pride and accomplishment" is coming from. These are rng based; it's luck.

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Keep running maps until you get them, or farm gil until you can buy them. You've been playing since 2013, you should have more than enough gil. I used to sell them for 14-18 mil at the begining of this year.

Just wait for Blue Mage to be raised to level 90 so that you can solo the maps quickly and easily. You'll see the price of those minions plummet when that happens.

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Originally Posted by LibitIncarne

Working on getting enough gil to outright buy them on the market board.
The Golden Beaver, and Aidoneus/Philos are going for 40M gil on the MB, while Fallen Angel Wings, Wivre and Ty'aitya are going for 80M, and the 2 Mount Token mounts are going for 20M gil.

Which makes sense because no-one wants to do non-current side content and then they complain that the game's dead.

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Hopefully in a patch or two they'll sell 5.0 packs for GC seals, those would contain the Golden Beaver as a rare drop (but I've gotten the gold Namazu from the 4.0 packs several times). In the very long term that should eventually happen to Aidoneus and Philos too.

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Originally Posted by FuturePastNow

Hopefully in a patch or two they'll sell 5.0 packs for GC seals, those would contain the Golden Beaver as a rare drop (but I've gotten the gold Namazu from the 4.0 packs several times). In the very long term that should eventually happen to Aidoneus and Philos too.

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A certain third-party tool creator made their RNG tracking plugin post all of the data it finds to a google drive link.
General data:
(3.0 boxes)
0.03% chance for a Night Pegasus Whistle (PotD Gold Sacks), 0.5% for a Fenrir Pup (Very rare chance from CC matches), 0.77% for the Calamari, 0.82% for the Zu Horn (Airship Voyages Sector 24)
(4.0 boxes)
0.02% chance for the Copycat Bulb (Pagos Bunnies), 0.09% for a Wind-up Elvaan (Lumber Jack NM in Pyros), 0.11% for a Dodo or Eurekan Petral Horn (HoH Platinum Sacks and Hydatos Bunnies respectively), 0.12% chance for an Eldthurs Horn (Pyros Bunnies), 0.19% chance for Conditional Virtue (Absolute Virtue in The Baldesion Arsenal), 0.22% chance for a Yukinko Snowflake (Low chance from Hydatos Lockboxes), 0.67% for a Gold Whisker (Hidden Canals of Uznair), 0.96% chance for the Hedgehoglet (Rarely in SB maps), also 1.66% chance for a Flying Chair (Crafted).

Gold Whiskers go for only around 20k, Elvaan goes for 350k.

Anyway, for the record:
There are 16 tradeable mounts in Shadowbringers, 2 of these would be exempt from the Materiel Container due to being intended as gil dumps.
According to Universalis, the Magicked Bed goes for around 1.5 million gil, Construct 14 for 1.6 million, the Faux mounts are going for 8.5 million, Gabriel Mark III for 14 million, and Deinonychus for 19 million.
There are 40 tradeable minions in Shadowbringers.
According to Universalis, the Ancient One and Drippy go for around 1 million gil, the Faux minions are going for 7 million, and the Golden Beaver is 45 million gil.


There are 17 tradeable mounts in Endwalker. 2 of these would be exempt from the Materiel Container due to being intended as gil dumps.
According to Universalis everything other than the Alkonost and Peerifool go for over a million gil. I'm not going to list them.
There are 41 tradeable minions in Endwalker.
According to Universalis, the Shiromaru is going for 2 million gil, the 4 Faux minions are going for 7 million, and Philos and Aidoneus are going for over 30 million.

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Originally Posted by melbye

Luck is not accomplishment

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you can buy both minions on the market board
so there is a deterministic way to accomplish your goal

I wish they'd just put them in the Excitatron maps, at least as a final floor prize or something. I can't stand the roulette maps; I run them in a group of three with my roommates and it's nothing but damage sponge enemies for garbage loot and a pittiance of gil per floor. It's the kind of crap you get a miserable sense of relief from when the minion drops, not so much "pride and accomplishment".

who wanna buy me wind up aidoneus

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Originally Posted by LibitIncarne

have you considered that some things are meant to exist as a sense of pride and accomplishment?
they aren't going to make this more accesible because they were DESIGNED to be obtained through an extremely rare method

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Not saying I agree with them but maps are genuinely the lowest form of content in this game. They're beyond dull and boring and I would never associate any of them with the word accomplishment.

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Originally Posted by St0rmy

Not saying I agree with them but maps are genuinely the lowest form of content in this game. They're beyond dull and boring and I would never associate any of them with the word accomplishment.

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In isolation, you could say that about almost every part of the game. But taken all together, this is what makes up the whole "there being stuff to do with your friends when you feel like it". Playing FFXIV is on the whole not an edge seeking competitive sport, so 'accomplishments' are more a way of keeping score of what you've been doing with your time.

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Originally Posted by Andevom

Just set up a PF for the maps - they still get traction today. You only need a few people to bite.

Unsyncing the maps and allowing people to easily blow through them solo will completely devalue the minion's market value.

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They should at least allow us to take our Chocobos for solo synced only and maybe like they do in msq trials, give like 2 lives or so. That would be a challenge in itself and would be worthwhile solo content if there are no map parties imo.

Hello........ I wanted to add another complaint here.
In Endwalker, my friend and I went out of our way to farm for 6 months, every 2-3x through mon-fri, and sometimes sat-sun too.
I am not talking about 1 map........ we did 6-12 maps every day. EVERY DAY........ I streamed, I played only with him....
Mog hunt came out with the maps for guaranteed portal, I worked extremely hard, obtained 270 PORTAL GUARANTEED MAPS
This was during the last month before dawntrail, and we even involved 2 other friends who brought THEIR maps. I couldn't finish all the maps. I have 34 left in my inventory....
Guess how many times we hit the silver button on the roulette?

Exactly. NEVER. I did not want to make a complaint, but now that somebody brought it up, I will. My friend and I still do maps, but we will never go out on our ways again.
We were able to make 5 people happy with the mount of 3x exchange, but that silver RNG of roulette? Never, ever, ever seen before. Ever. And when I heard it was only through that, I was quite upset.
Actually I speak in past time, I am still upset. And am I motivated to do the other maps? I won't and I don't. They are unsellable too. I find it the most outrageous ever.

Now, you'd think after DT release they make the RNG kinder? Nah, went 5x more on guaranteed, I give up. I am very upset at it. I guess I am more upset at it than I initially felt. I tried to ignore it for a long time

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Originally Posted by Akamadoshi

270 PORTAL GUARANTEED MAPS
This was during the last month before dawntrail, and we even involved 2 other friends who brought THEIR maps. I couldn't finish all the maps. I have 34 left in my inventory....
Guess how many times we hit the silver button on the roulette?

Exactly. NEVER. I did not want to make a complaint, but now that somebody brought it up, I will. My friend and I still do maps, but we will never go out on our ways again.

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Cool, I farmed 3000 of the level 70 ones, have run 204, and have had 3 silver buttons activate.

This post is bait. Conceivably Special Timeworn Maps don't exist yet, those level 90 maps you can get are the dungeon ones.