[FF14 Mobile]Class Showcase

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rMOSHAiFRE

This is, like, Job Action of FF14 but in Mobile
The UI looks little mess up but some animations are good or better than the PC version

//I heard the rumor that this mobile version doesn't have gacha system.

For a mobile game, the animations and visuals are so clean and, unfortunately, better than the live game on PC

There's something seriously cursed about level 50s having higher level skills

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Originally Posted by weebtext

There's something seriously cursed about level 50s having higher level skills

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I think irony is in the fact that they acknowledge low levels feels bad to play, so they gave them these skills. Cause scaled down to level 50 would feel bad to raid without them.

Just can't wait for this to release and it not have numerous "little" issues that the PC version has, such as with UI and network responsiveness. I have a feeling they'll have addressed other small details that are ignored in the PC version, or where they make excuses about hardware (such as with housing). The mobile devs went to pains to point out they played and raided in this game a lot so these issues probably won't be lost on them.

I think that almost any other development team wouldn't feel bound by all these excuses for why things cannot be done. They said themselves they were surprised by how fast the mobile devs can develop this.

From what I have seen mobile version jobs have more depth and identity than PC

It is really weird that they do it for a new game instead of their main milk machine, I think they don't play their game anymore

I guess because it’s technically a different combat design team to the main game that it seems more inspired. Maybe our guys have just given up?

I enjoy that combat distance, its much more immersive than being so zoomed out your an ant in a pile. We'll see if this is how you actually play the game or its just to showcase the abilities.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

I think that almost any other development team wouldn't feel bound by all these excuses for why things cannot be done. They said themselves they were surprised by how fast the mobile devs can develop this.

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This feels like it confirms something I both feared and somewhat expected, that XIV's development is still stuck in 2014. Probably using outdated tools and slow internal processes that actively hamper them, all because "it's how we've always done things."

Iirc similar info came out of Bethesda somewhat recently, where their way of making games hasn't evolved and everything is taking significantly longer than it should.

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Originally Posted by BabyYoda

From what I have seen mobile version jobs have more depth and identity than PC

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It kind of reminds me of PvP where classes have fewer skills but those skills were well-chosen to craft a job's identity. More like avoiding redundancy than dumbing things down. Fewer buttons can also mean fewer opportunities for overlap. If every healer has 20-30 buttons for example then there is more room to make some actions similar/create equivalences. But if you only have 8-10 buttons per jobs too many equivalent actions will be much more noticeable and you might have a stronger incentive to make the few buttons you have meaningful and unique.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

This feels like it confirms something I both feared and somewhat expected, that XIV's development is still stuck in 2014. Probably using outdated tools and slow internal processes that actively hamper them, all because "it's how we've always done things."

Iirc similar info came out of Bethesda somewhat recently, where their way of making games hasn't evolved and everything is taking significantly longer than it should.

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I can only hope that this is a wake-up call that creates some pressure (and/or opportunity) for them to take the issues of their outdated underlying code seriously and start a project to overhaul it from the ground.

I don't know if this is possible but perhaps there's not just a PC --> mobile one-way ticket and instead you can also use the mobile game code as a foundation/starting point for a modernised PC and PS5 version? (Perhaps that's total nonsense though, I'm not a programmer. I just thought of Genshin/Infinity Nikki/Wuthering Waves/etc. who develop the same game for several platforms simultaneously. So I wonder do they really create every version from scratch or can you reduce the workload by using some code/programming across platforms?)

Why do these jobs look better than the ingame ones?

Lol

Lmao even

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Originally Posted by Loggos

(Perhaps that's total nonsense though, I'm not a programmer. I just thought of Genshin/Infinity Nikki/Wuthering Waves/etc. who develop the same game for several platforms simultaneously. So I wonder do they really create every version from scratch or can you reduce the workload by using some code/programming across platforms?)

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it depend. generally, since thoses games first target is the mobile market, they use either Vulkan or OpenGL as 2D/3D Render API.
OpenGL is the most cross-platform API, while Vulkan was dev for Android but it's based on an AMD technology (And AMD Chipset are used on X-box and PS4/5).

Or they use already well know and cross-platform Graphical Engine (like Unreal Engine, Unity etc...) and Game Engine to facilitate the port to another platform.

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Originally Posted by Lorika

it depend. generally, since thoses games first target is the mobile market, they use either Vulkan or OpenGL as 2D/3D Render API.
OpenGL is the most cross-platform API, while Vulkan was dev for Android but it's based on an AMD technology (And AMD Chipset are used on X-box and PS4/5).

Or they use already well know and cross-platform Graphical Engine (like Unreal Engine, Unity etc...) and Game Engine to facilitate the port to another platform.

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Gachas have historically been built in Unity, though some companies have started moving to Unreal. I haven't had much luck looking up rendering APIs, but I think most at least use OpenGL and some version of DirectX.

Mobile BRD actually doing something kind of clever with its song mechanics -- actually making them like mini rhythm games.

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Originally Posted by mallleable

Mobile BRD actually doing something kind of clever with its song mechanics -- actually making them like mini rhythm games.

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It's such a nice small detail/design idea and gives the job gauge a mechanism that is a lot more thematically fitting than a normal spender.

I feel like I'm insane because I think these animations look worse than the PC version. They feel really stiff. But it's still in development so that could change.

seeing casters have ranged autoattacks feels cursed

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Originally Posted by Emitans

I feel like I'm insane because I think these animations look worse than the PC version. They feel really stiff. But it's still in development so that could change.

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I agree, in terms of fluidity/execution the animations are not as high-quality as the PC ones. I think it's more the imaginativeness/creativity wrt some animations that people respond positively to? Like WAR and MNK.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

This feels like it confirms something I both feared and somewhat expected, that XIV's development is still stuck in 2014. Probably using outdated tools and slow internal processes that actively hamper them, all because "it's how we've always done things."

Iirc similar info came out of Bethesda somewhat recently, where their way of making games hasn't evolved and everything is taking significantly longer than it should.

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Take any decade... if I was coding, even in an unfamiliar codebase, it wouldn't take me 11 years to solve the housing issues.

But I do think it's hampered by, ironically, too many team members, contrary to what people on these forums think. You have a separate team for UI, for coding, for design, for concept art, etc. So there is a handshake process where each team does their thing then passes it onto the other for the next step, and feels hampered because they can't just do the entire thing on their own like an indie dev, resulting in literally people who do it alone being faster (like modders).

The UI team for example are probably like "we can only do what our UI tools let us do!"

The coding team are probably like "well we can code it but the UI team might not use it the way we intended it".

But if someone had the ability to just do everything - UI, graphics and coding together - they'd likely just solve all the issues in one swoop, and that's the one strength an indie dev has over all these AAA companies.

We know that SE has fallen into a trap like your example before. They used to hire literal real life models of swords to be made to be imported into the game, while other companies just opened a modeling program and made it based on concept art. Learning they were that outdated compared to other companies in 1.0, it makes me believe they will continue to be outdated in other ways like you said.

The animations they showed looked fine. Nothing crazy or incredible, just fine, and they'll probably get better depending on how much more effort they plan to put into it / whenever the release date is.

The elixir field animation looks funny.
Well, what I won't play won't bother me.

Ngl it didn't look bad. For the sake of the current game I wanted it to look a lot worse. God forbid the monetization isn't bad either, and it may be a problem lol.

Edit: After analyzing the trailer some more I had to edit my comment. There is no way this doesn't affect the main game. A lot of this stuff looks so much better in their own ways and especially for the game up to level 50. It's literally an admittance that jobs like summoner suck at those levels. Like they said they did a complete rework but they never finished the job. And wtf paladin getting a gap closer at level 50!? or below!?!?!?

There are other examples too and I actually like how it looks like actual attack damage might be something again.

The Monk machine gun hand laser (Elixir Field) is weird.

my copium is that this is a sign of future changes in 8.0
but odds are square enix had absolutely nothing to do with this game and the fact it already has tons of the main games issues fixed already

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

More like [Patch 8.0] Class Showcase.

You'll hate me for saying it, but you all know it's possible. Tell me you can't see all of those buttons mapped to a controller for an MMO where a sizable chunk of the playerbase (especially in Japan) plays on console.

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I was thinking the same thing. This gameplay looks sorta like a watered down but flashier version of what we currently have, so I wouldn't be surprised if they just take it in this direction going forward for the PC version as well. Especially if the mobile version is a big success where metrics are concerned.

also lol at summoner looking almost 1:1 identical to capped smn in the pc version. literally built for a mobile gaming experience. god what a joke

Im thinking the same thing.

This is the copium talking but what if this is a look at the level squish or 8.0 job reworks. I know many people are really leaning on the 8.0 rework to reinspire them to play the game.

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Originally Posted by Reimmi

my copium is that this is a sign of future changes in 8.0
but odds are square enix had absolutely nothing to do with this game and the fact it already has tons of the main games issues fixed already

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Yoshida has at least allegedly been overseeing most aspects of it, and had a couple statements in the reveal trailer about how jobs in the main game had been getting redesigned to be easily translatable to mobile. EW SMN might very well have been a preview of 8.0 jobs a full 5 years in advance.

Looks fine for a mobile game but I don't find it as impressive as some here.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

Yoshida has at least allegedly been overseeing most aspects of it, and had a couple statements in the reveal trailer about how jobs in the main game had been getting redesigned to be easily translatable to mobile. EW SMN might very well have been a preview of 8.0 jobs a full 5 years in advance.

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Well, if that’s the case, where the main game is headed to be 1:1 with mobile, it’ll be time to leave the game. They turned the whole thing into a mobile joke at that point. Not a serious game.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

Looks fine for a mobile game but I don't find it as impressive as some here.

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Because it isn't.
Every time someone says it "looks impressive for a mobile game" what they really mean is that it's impressive for a device the size of a graphing calculator with absolutely terrible controls that produces 95% shovelware...so not really impressive in the grander scheme of things.

I am not a fan of mobile ports of games, mostly for the generally better features that are offered and are never brought to the main/original game.

Dead by Daylight's mobile port has fancy cosmetics and game modes (only recently was the main game lucky enough to get like one (1) outfit ported over every several months).

While not a direct port, Animal Crossing Pocket Camp has pretty much all the old furniture sets from older games in addition to thousands of new furniture that animals can interact with. New Horizons was very anemic in comparison, even missing core features from previous games that were never added in. Pocket Camp got like 7 years of support and updates, New Horizons got barely a year of drip-fed content that should have been available at launch.

FFXIV's mobile port makes me a bit nervous. We're already in the midst of a middling expansion and the content drought feels more noticeable than ever before, I'd rather not see the attention be focused on the port.

Yes. I know mobile ports are made by entirely different teams, and the monetization is what enables them to add these new features anyway. But if the mobile game winds up getting some neat QoL changes or features that have been wanted in the main game for a long time, I might have an aneurysm.

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Originally Posted by Destati

We're already in the midst of a middling expansion and the content drought feels more noticeable than ever before, I'd rather not see the attention be focused on the port.

Yes. I know mobile ports are made by entirely different teams, and the monetization is what enables them to add these new features anyway. But if the mobile game winds up getting some neat QoL changes or features that have been wanted in the main game for a long time, I might have an aneurysm.

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Like you said, it's made by an entirely different team... and has been worked on for the last 5 years. Just like FF16 had been worked on for 7-8 years prior to release. People need to stop thinking that working on other games will "suddenly" take away from FFXIV. It won't. If there is a problem with this game at all, it's related to decision making and the strategic approach to this game generally.

I'd like that bootshine animation instead of the scratching we got with Leaping Opo at least. Leaping Opo just doesn't have the same kind of impact Bootshine did, especially since my WoL uses tonfas for it

This showcase video actually addresses one of the concerns I think a lot of us had - the "main character" can actually move in 3D space, at least a little. The previous videos seemed like a fixed background. Nope, this appears to be at least the fully rendered base ARR zones.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

We know that SE has fallen into a trap like your example before. They used to hire literal real life models of swords to be made to be imported into the game, while other companies just opened a modeling program and made it based on concept art. Learning they were that outdated compared to other companies in 1.0, it makes me believe they will continue to be outdated in other ways like you said.

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Square Enix definitely has someone on the modeling team who takes the time to not only think about how each garment they are rendering is constructed, but where the seams and stiches would realistically go. Even in crappy lower resolution stuff like FFXI they did this. As a cosplayer it's something I always appreciated.