How to make a player rage: Use Rescue

Is it me or does the healer skill "Rescue" actually do more harm than good? like 95% of the time when using it on people to move them to a safe spot they get upset that you force moved their character. At this point I kind of stopped using it in fear that I would upset a player, and that actually letting them die, and just ressing them would be the safer option in regard to not triggering players.

Come on, healers need at least ONE thing to make the role enjoyable…

I know i can trust my healer when they remember that RESCUE exist.
Even for trolling.

I appreciate a healer who saves my ass when I position myself wrong. Sorry you've been getting trolls I guess.

the problem with rescue is that it's a relic of a time when most job didn't have a dash/backdash. For every useful rescue I've seen, I've seen 3 or 4 rescue on people knowing what they were doing (and end in situation where the combinaiton of rescue and dash put you in an unsafe zone, for example). It's really about being able to read the other players, and it's not something easy.

Not my problem if you can't stand at the correct spot and I have to drag you over.

For me specifically Rescue has done more harm than good. I have only ever had it used on me a hand full of times in my FFXIV career, but it has been unnecessary every time. I have either been "rescued" straight through or into a mechanic I would have otherwise avoided, or "rescued" too early from a mechanic I would have got out of anyway if they had just waited a second longer. I know they are trying to do the right thing (maybe) but with the way server ticks work, and the possibility for visual and input lag, it just doesn't work the way it's suppose to.

There should be a toggle in the character settings that just says "Rescue? On/Off", and if you turn it off Rescue doesn't work on you.

Please stop. Healers have had enough of their interesting abilities watered down, made as child friendly as possible or just straight up removed entirely. The role absolutely cannot take even more dismantling player of agency.
Rescue is literally one of the only interesting tools a healer has left to use that actually requires a minuscule modicum of awareness. Please don’t make them remove that because you got trolled with it once

I'm left wondering why this is the DPS section but okay.

From a healer point of view: Rescue is a double edged sword. Most of its issues comes from server ticks and it not working when you press the dang button. So this is what can happen: you press the button and it doesn't go off in time so the person dies anyway or gets a vuln stack which actually punishes the healer for other people messing the mechanics; you save them and they walk back into bad / you save them and they might appreciate you; you were actually wrong and accidentally pulled people into bad.
Or you know.. you do it on purpose to troll but I normally see this amongst friends.

As a DPS: i rarely had it being used on myself when it did happen i've mostly appreciated it since people normally attempt to save others. it used to? save you from bad after using LB (it has a ridiculously long animation). the one time i didn't appreciate it i ended a friendship over it so there's that.

My experience out there in the PF wilds is that Rescue is rarely used but then again this might be an EU thing. Wouldn't surprise me since there is soooo much stuff i see online about this game that I don't see in the EU servers so I take it as mostly NA-centric takes.

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Originally Posted by Schan

I'm left wondering why this is the DPS section but okay.

From a healer point of view: Rescue is a double edged sword. Most of its issues comes from server ticks and it not working when you press the dang button. So this is what can happen: you press the button and it doesn't go off in time so the person dies anyway or gets a vuln stack which actually punishes the healer for other people messing the mechanics; you save them and they walk back into bad / you save them and they might appreciate you; you were actually wrong and accidentally pulled people into bad.
Or you know.. you do it on purpose to troll but I normally see this amongst friends.

As a DPS: i rarely had it being used on myself when it did happen i've mostly appreciated it since people normally attempt to save others. it used to? save you from bad after using LB (it has a ridiculously long animation). the one time i didn't appreciate it i ended a friendship over it so there's that.

My experience out there in the PF wilds is that Rescue is rarely used but then again this might be an EU thing. Wouldn't surprise me since there is soooo much stuff i see online about this game that I don't see in the EU servers so I take it as mostly NA-centric takes.

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Extremely well put, however sadly trolling is not used exclusively amongst friends- at least not in NA- which is likely these type of threads pop up from time to time.

The way DPS players act in the Aitiascope after you drag their sorry butt behind the ice crystal to prevent them from being deep fried by Curtain Call makes me glad there are good samaritan laws.

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Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas

Extremely well put, however sadly trolling is not used exclusively amongst friends- at least not in NA- which is likely these type of threads pop up from time to time.

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Are you accounting the fact that especially online (and when driving funnily enough) people tend to assume malicious intent when other people mess up?

I have seen and personally have been accused of trolling often when using rescue and I have never had that intention. /shrug

But NA is wild so who knows.

It has been useful for me. Sometimes twintania will pick random bait and stack on the same person. The safest way to handle it is to pull the person in with rescue right as she shoot the last lava puddle

I've been unintentionally killed by Rescue a couple times, but majority of the time it has been used to my benefit.

I do find it humorous when when I pull someone out of danger and they decide to step back into danger at the last second.

i think the only duty i use rescue in is lota. twice actually. first to pull people on the platform if there are less than four on it. and then to safe people who are to slow to get behind the shield.

for me when I am rescued it's with good attention in mind but they forget some stuff like in Suzaku fight I have been rescue but the healer forgot the middle of the arena also goes bye bye so it was funny other then that it always have been use in good faith so I don't mind if it same my sorry ass because of my forgetful mind I am ok with it

I've never had a random healer use rescue to my benefit. I've only had them use it because they're scared and don't know what they're doing. Losing a safe GCD or 2 is frustrating. Stop punishing me for your lack of game knowledge.

Rescue should be removed.

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Originally Posted by IOwn92FCHouses

I've never had a random healer use rescue to my benefit. I've only had them use it because they're scared and don't know what they're doing. Losing a safe GCD or 2 is frustrating. Stop punishing me for your lack of game knowledge.

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It's funny, because from their perspective, you are the one lacking game knowledge and costing them a weaving slot just to not have to waste GCD and mana to pick your sorry behind up from the floor again.

As a non-'get-gud' player that only has two eyes and 10 fingers I appreciate it a LOT when someone yanks me out of a red sea of death I didn't see coming. I say let them get mad then don't heal them or rescue them from then on. It's your job to yank people out of harms way and heal them. If that make them mad let 'em die and stay dead. For me? yes, please, save me if I screw up. Which I will do. A lot.

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Originally Posted by Carighan

It's funny, because from their perspective, you are the one lacking game knowledge and costing them a weaving slot just to not have to waste GCD and mana to pick your sorry behind up from the floor again.

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Them forgetting x job has a movement tool is a them issue. Them not understanding how snapshots work is a them issue. 90% of the playerbase is woefully inexperienced. Considering how badly you struggle in savage, I have a feeling that you are a part of the 90%.

80% uptime AST on their best M1S run trying to talk down to me. Who do you think you are? Know your place. In fact, you can talk gameplay to people when you learn to not 4x weave. Which you do multiple times in your runs.

This sort of thing really bugs me, man. Dude has been griefing parties since Eden's Gate. Over 5 years, and you've failed to improve over all that time. And then you have the AUDACITY to talk down to me about game knowledge. To imply that you have any sort of perspective worthy of consideration. All to what? Try and get a jab in?

Instead of taking jabs at people online, why don't you hit a target dummy instead? You'll save the backs of the 7 people a bit of strain.

Before I quit healing I would never use rescue, if they eat shit oh well I'd either heal or pick them up. But in cases they are aware of mechanics and have tools to deal with them to keep uptime, me rescuing them will only ruin there gcd uptime.

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Originally Posted by IOwn92FCHouses

Them forgetting x job has a movement tool is a them issue. Them not understanding how snapshots work is a them issue. 90% of the playerbase is woefully inexperienced.

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If that is the case then wouldn't the healer be justified in assuming the worst? In most cases people don't know each other unless they're in a premade party. A rescue happy healer may very well know about movement tools but not expect the targeted player to use them.

What I usually do is reserve rescue for people who have made a mistake previously. If someone is standing in AoE I'll assume they have a plan to get out, unless they're doing something really egregious. It's very much a coinflip but it avoids punishing the more knowledgeable players.

I think rescue is fine as is. It's interesting and genuinely useful even for optimization (LB animation cancel). People will make mistakes when using it, but it doesn't happen all that often.

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Originally Posted by PyurBlue

If that is the case then wouldn't the healer be justified in assuming the worst? In most cases people don't know each other unless they're in a premade party. A rescue happy healer may very well know about movement tools but not expect the targeted player to use them.

What I usually do is reserve rescue for people who have made a mistake previously. If someone is standing in AoE I'll assume they have a plan to get out, unless they're doing something really egregious. It's very much a coinflip but it avoids punishing the more knowledgeable players.

I think rescue is fine as is. It's interesting and genuinely useful even for optimization (LB animation cancel). People will make mistakes when using it, but it doesn't happen all that often.

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No, it is not. A rescue-happy healer shouldn't exist in the first place. It's a waste of a button slot that only serves for me to use Surecast or Arms Length pre-emptively to counter it. Best case is I get rescued 2 inches because I had already moved back to a safe spot. Worst case is I'm moved to an unsafe spot because the offending person doesn't know the fight (M2 normal says hi).

It's a button that is used for griefing more than it is for saving. Feel free to look up the horror stories posted to this forum and elsewhere. You'll have no shortage.

Remove Rescue.

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Originally Posted by IOwn92FCHouses

No, it is not. A rescue-happy healer shouldn't exist in the first place. It's a waste of a button slot that only serves for me to use Surecast or Arms Length pre-emptively to counter it. Best case is I get rescued 2 inches because I had already moved back to a safe spot. Worst case is I'm moved to an unsafe spot because the offending person doesn't know the fight (M2 normal says hi).

It's a button that is used for griefing more than it is for saving. Feel free to look up the horror stories posted to this forum and elsewhere. You'll have no shortage.

Remove Rescue.

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Hold on. How can you use Arm’s Length or Surecast to preemptively counter Rescue when there’s no indicator of another player thinking about using it. Are you reading their minds?! Or are you like, standing in AoEs but then hitting Surecast etc and hoping they try to save you so you can nullify someone’s Rescue? Why would a healer even try to Rescue someone who’s used a knock back nullifier?

Furthermore, be careful what you wish for. Look at what happened when a small subsection of players complained about certain healers not healing them to maximise dps. They just got rid of it all . Can’t grief the party by not healing if you only have healing skills (then it changed nothing).

You’re asking for ‘Rescue’ to be removed, but what you’ll get is ‘healer agency’ being removed. It’s how the devs approach anything that can even remotely cause ‘player friction’. Maybe they’ll just remove knock back as a mechanic from the game. I mean, having your player character forcibly moved is griefing, right? Hell why should healers even be able to heal, just give everyone a potion skill like PvP, then healers can never grief anyone ever again (/sarcasm).

Should we remove Shirk and Provoke too? I mean, they do have trolling potential…

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Originally Posted by IOwn92FCHouses

No, it is not. A rescue-happy healer shouldn't exist in the first place. It's a waste of a button slot that only serves for me to use Surecast or Arms Length pre-emptively to counter it.

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Yes if it's used poorly it hurts instead of helps but I was replying to the notion that the majority of players aren't playing near optimally, in which case rescues might end up being a good thing more often than not, or at worst maybe neutral on average.

Whether or not that is the case it doesn't remove the benefits of rescue when it's used well.

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Originally Posted by Connor

Hold on. How can you use Arm’s Length or Surecast to preemptively counter Rescue when there’s no indicator of another player thinking about using it.

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If you've done a duty enough time you've probably be rescued in the same spot by a few healers. One somewhat recent example is the opening AoE attack from the first boss of Dead Ends. Most people move to the "safe" spot upwind, but in reality you can avoid that attack from anywhere even if you're a BLM with Ley Lines down. I've been rescued there enough times to prep Surecast just in case.

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Should we remove Shirk and Provoke too? I mean, they do have trolling potential…

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Agreed those aren't very different though I think the potential to unintentionally harm with rescue is a little higher. Still not anywhere near bad enough to consider removing it.

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Originally Posted by IOwn92FCHouses

Remove Rescue.

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Remove people asking to remove rescue, IMO. If you can't handle rescue that's a you problem. Like you say and so beautifully exemplify, 90% of the playerbase is woefully inexperienced. You need help positioning. Happy to help out. I'm used to getting yelled at instead of getting thanked, but that's fine. You and me both know you would have died otherwise.

With how ppl can get reported with rescue. I just stop using it. Not my problem if u decide no mans land is where u belong. I just never use it. I don't risk or plan to risk my account cause you didnt learn this fight.