What is up with Wuk Lamat being so omnipresent.

Yeah I know, not enough time for course correction, everything until 7.2/7.3 was already done, she is gonna be present she is the main character etc. etc. That's not what my problem is.

The Pelupelu quests take no time to just bring up a Wuk Lamat flashback.
Bakool Ja mentions her and sings her praises DURING the alliance raid, and right after too if I remember correctly. She has no involvement with it, no other character ever gets brought up out of nowhere like this during any other raid.

The problem is not that they haven't course corrected, it's that they thought anyone would want or like this in the first place. What kind of thought process do they have where they thought people would want to spend 95% of the MSQ with this one character and afterwards want her mentioned in every piece of content that gets released? No other character from any expansion is treated this way. She really just feels like a developer's pet that they really really want to push into every possible moment in the game.

I think the key is avoiding generalizations. "it's that they thought anyone would want or like this in the first place" Yes, actually some people are in fact enjoying this MSQ. Lots of people. Very much. Just consider Wuk Lumat the Aymeric, or Lyse, or Emet-Selch, or Zero, etc. of this particular expansion. She'll be around with us, a lot, and then be replaced by someone else in the next expansion.

None of those characters listed had out of the blue mentions praising them in side content, and none were as present as Wuk Lamat during their respective story arcs.

Yoshi-P really wants to show the players "what makes her so cool" as per an interview

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Originally Posted by Striker44

Just consider Wuk Lumat the Aymeric,

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one of our only allies after the bloody banquet gets a lot of screen time, say it aint so

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or Lyse,

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already developed character gets additional screentime when we do something relevant to her, no way

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or Emet-Selch,

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BBEG for the past four expansions? yeah this is totally equivalent to wuk lamat

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or Zero,

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not even part of an expansion story, this is like saying the seeker of solitude in the first is wuk lamat

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Just consider Wuk Lumat the Aymeric, or Lyse, or Emet-Selch, or Zero, etc. of this particular expansion.

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This except I think it's closer to say spending time with her is more like the time we spent with Estinien and Ysayle than Aymeric.
Zero is the closest comparison though, and I'm enjoying my time with Wuk Lamat a lot more than I did with Zero.

I like Zero but getting development from her was like pulling teeth - I was losing patience.
I get that changes don't happen overnight but Wuk Lamat's pacing has been a huge improvement.

I just hope she doesn't fall into obscurity like Lyse when we eventually leave Tural.

Every example you mentioned above contributes to the cutscene in terms of dialogue, offers their thoughts that has some degree of meaning

Whenever Wuk Lamat speaks, which is in almost every cutscene her words are empty, meaningless and unnecessary yet she HAS to be there for whatever reason.

I did a side-by-side comparison for myself to see what was it about the expansion that got under my skin, new patch included. I did the cutscenes with the sound and BGM on and felt triggered by how much repetitive 'peace and harmony' and Wuk Lamat dialogue there was as well as how much bending-over the NPCs did for that character. Then I went to my Unending journal, turned the BGM and VA off and reading it with my own thoughts wasn't nearly as irritating but I didn't keep a tally on how much 'feeling' was mentioned. I even put Donkey Kong Country music with rainfall as placeholder BGM and my experience was far better. The amount of walking and cutscenes in lieu of activity or combat is what made itself most known to me once I focused less on the story execution; lackluster, a bit bland, and felt like two steps back from our journey through Stormblood. Much of this was us chauffeuring the would-be ruler(s) around to learn about a series of cultures they should have already been made thoroughly aware of if they wanted to appeal to rule, and us (the WoL) not intervening when it would be prudent to do so, patch included (I could also go on a tangent about how forcibly-nice we were to Wuk Lamat, in the wake of the sarcastic remarks we've given in previous expansions, and the forced niceties were another thing that broke immersion). The team tried something new -- kudos and kupos -- and it's the first flop I've felt when playing FFXIV. In essence, the most annoying things that I could glean were Wuk Lamat and how a lot of the plot laid a velvet carpet out for that character (almost exclusively); I tried to like it, and I couldn't. The experience becomes less jarring when you omit all of the VA'ing to balance the upset of 'when or when not to include voice lines', so my time with the expansion DID improve when I made the adjustments that suit me best. The character 'Wuk Lamat' is the poster-child for the expansion and will remain being fronted like a sandwich board on the sidewalk until the expansion ends, and hopefully not much further after that; it wasn't a good character.

I am afraid that FFXIV has been ruined by politics....it's worth to search for changes in the team between the end of SHB and DT.
Unfortunately.

Haurchefant is mentioned "out of the blue" quite often.

I hated Zenos, so everytime he was mentioned, alluded, to or shown on screen, I was annoyed. Could it just be that, since you don't like Wuk Lamat, you notice her more?

I didn't even remember that she was mentioned in the Alliance Raid series. I mean I believe you that she was, but it didn't stick out to me because I think Wuk Lamat is alright.

As much as I don’t like the MSQ and Wuk Lamat I think it is kinda normal?

She is the Dawnservant after all so her being mentioned is more or less normal.

Now what I take issue with is twofold:

1. Koana not being mentioned nearly as often despite being Dawnservant as well.
2. Us just being mentioned as her “retainer” or similar even when directly being talked to. Makes it like we aren’t even a person.


I do agree though that she is even mentioned in things where there is no need for that like side quests or even quest texts or the minstrel.

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I am afraid that FFXIV has been ruined by politics....it's worth to search for changes in the team between the end of SHB and DT.
Unfortunately.

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Oh? Please do elaborate on these “politics”.

Heurchefant is truly overdone I agree, but I don't ever remember having a Haurchefant jumpscare in a beast tribe quest or a voiced dialogue during an allience raid going "Wow isn't haurchefant so cool!"

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Haurchefant is mentioned "out of the blue" quite often.

I hated Zenos, so everytime he was mentioned, alluded, to or shown on screen, I was annoyed. Could it just be that, since you don't like Wuk Lamat, you notice her more?

I didn't even remember that she was mentioned in the Alliance Raid series. I mean I believe you that she was, but it didn't stick out to me because I think Wuk Lamat is alright.

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The only time I can recall is when Bakool Ja Ja says "Wuk Lamat chose well" when he admires our power and that we were able to defeat one of the bosses and when he wants to use force to scare people out of the rift leading to Jueno because he states that he already is in debt to her

also wouldn't it be more weird if a city state leader wasn't mentioned by her people
like come on lol
she's one of the two rulers who was just recently put in that position of power and went off to prevent the city from being attacked again

No it wouldn't be weird for her to be not mentioned, the fact that she is mentioned is weird. "Wuk Lamat chose well" is a pretty damn weird way to compliment our actions.

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No it wouldn't be weird for her to be not mentioned, the fact that she is mentioned is weird. "Wuk Lamat chose well" is a pretty damn weird way to compliment our actions.

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he literally knows us through Wuk Lamat choosing us to be her allies during the competition he lost in

I bet at least 7.1 7.2 and 7.3 were pre-written, so I doubt they can course correct until like one year from now. That's why Yoshi P needs to sell you on the cat in his nonsense P.R interviews.

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he literally knows us through Wuk Lamat choosing us to be her allies during the competition he lost in

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And we are here with him as individuals on an investigation into an anomaly, we are not doing something in Wuk Lamat's name. During the rite of succession that sort of wording would have somewhat made sense. But "[Someone] chose well" is a compliment you give to a subordinate of someone, like if someone was complimenting the prowess of a maelstrom commander by saying "Merlwyb chose well".

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he literally knows us through Wuk Lamat choosing us to be her allies during the competition he lost in

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He knows us directly because we pulled Wuk Lamat's ass out of the fire when he kidnapped her, and we made him afraid without even beating him up.

It is entirely weird for him to compliment us that way, as it simultaneously praises Wuk more than it does us.

She's not here. Her judgment had nothing to do with getting our aid, that was Erenville's judgment. Her judgment has nothing to do with our strength. There is 0 reason to praise her.

It'd be way cooler if he realized we were the ones that killed the other Blessed Sibling in Wanderer's Palace HM and said something like, "No wonder Manxome Molaal Ja Ja didn't make it home..."

But no, this is Dawntrail, so they have to take every opportunity to fellate Wookiee Lamar.

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I bet at least 7.1 7.2 and 7.3 were pre-written, so I doubt they can course correct until like one year from now. That's why Yoshi P needs to sell you on the cat in his nonsense P.R interviews.

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They probably have Wuk merch ready to go and are kind of bummed that people in all regions seem to dislike her. Oops, gotta fix that impression people have of her somehow...

I predicted she would be plastered everywhere, people said nah she was toned down in the trailer, and would you look at that. She was indeed everywhere. Either yapping some inane lines nobody will be able to quote after a week without googling it, or mentioned by someone else when she was neither there nor relevant to what was happening. They tried to give Koana more of a spotlight but the Vow of Reason tried to block an attack with a gun and almost got himself killed defending a cow. Just end me.

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He knows us directly because we pulled Wuk Lamat's ass out of the fire when he kidnapped her, and we made him afraid without even beating him up.

It is entirely weird for him to compliment us that way, as it simultaneously praises Wuk more than it does us.

She's not here. Her judgment had nothing to do with getting our aid, that was Erenville's judgment. Her judgment has nothing to do with our strength. There is 0 reason to praise her.

It'd be way cooler if he realized we were the ones that killed the other Blessed Sibling in Wanderer's Palace HM and said something like, "No wonder Manxome Molaal Ja Ja didn't make it home..."

But no, this is Dawntrail, so they have to take every opportunity to fellate Wookiee Lamar.

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how would Bakool Ja Ja know we were the ones that defeated the other blessed sibling? there's part of the MSQ where he is brought up and we intentionally glaze past it because why would we admit to being the one to defeat him when these people had just begun to open up and talk to us. As far as the Mamool Ja know he's missing

and how would he know that it was Erenville that suggested us to begin with? When he first met us it was with Wuk Lamat getting food and as far as he was concerned, she chose us to be our ally

she very much could have still declined seeking our aid regardless of what her friend had said if we didn't meet her expectations

"Wuk Lamat chose her ally well" is not weird

would it have been cool for it to be referenced again?
Yeah, sure, I love when the game makes callbacks and references to other events I've done but I don't think it would have made sense for him to assume that the other blessed sibling was defeated by our hand

One thing I think is missed is how other characters are brought up. Usually when one character mentions another, it's for a reason. It progresses the story, it gives insight into the (or both) character(s) we may not have already known, etc... The problem with Wuk is that she's mentioned just to mention how great she is -- the Mary Sue problem. Even in Jueno, Bakool Ja Ja has turned his simp levels up to 11 and mentions Wuk and "Oh of course she won, she chose you, WoL! She's so smart and amazing and perfect!" And yes, I'm taking the piss out of what he actually said, but that's what every interaction in Dawntrail feels like.

That flashback did seem a bit weird to just throw in like that. And I agree with the other poster that the Turali act like there's only one Dawnservant with these references. They don't talk about Koana even when he would be more suitable for some instances.

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That flashback did seem a bit weird to just throw in like that. And I agree with the other poster that the Turali act like there's only one Dawnservant with these references. They don't talk about Koana even when he would be more suitable for some instances.

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You'd think the Pelupelu would vibe with Koana more as he's the Vow of Reason. He'd be the one they'd be more interested in as he would be the one in charge of commerce, relations between nations and general regional politics. But I guess that would be too complex so let's just use Wuk Lamat.


I agree with this thread entirely about the Bakool Ja Ja 'compliment'. Why he brings up Wuk when she's not even involved just makes him so distant. He doesn't wanna get to know us or compliment us directly, he's only interested in Wuk Lamat. Why would it be so hard for him to say "I see why your skills are so highly praised" or something? It's direct, personal and doesn't superfluously mention Wuk Lamat.

Blackhole Sue won't you come~
And wash away this game~
Blackhole Sue won't you come~
Won't you come~
Won't you come~

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Oh? Please do elaborate on these “politics”.

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i believe it's enough https://imgur.com/a/d7WoRQc
Wokism aside, she say it's healthy for a translator to put their own view in the game regardless of other people opinion. That person now replaced Koji Fox and helped other people like her find a role (e.g Wuk Lamat english VA).
It's dangerous to think that you know better than anyone else more experienced by itself. Arrogance is already killing FFXIV.

When I saw Wuk in the flashback for the new "allied society" quests I just alt f4'd and canceled my recurring sub, I have no idea how the new MSQ is but I'm so tired of Wuk Lamat and this crappy writing and lack of content that I can't be bothered to even check it out. I'll play something else until this game appeals to me again.

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i believe it's enough https://imgur.com/a/d7WoRQc
Wokism aside, she say it's healthy for a translator to put their own view in the game regardless of other people opinion. That person now replaced Koji Fox and helped other people like her find a role (e.g Wuk Lamat english VA).
It's dangerous to think that you know better than anyone else more experienced by itself. Arrogance is already killing FFXIV.

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Oh god just reading these tweets makes me wanna vomit. Just liking the idea that translators should have the liberty of putting anything they want in there is just so mega idiotic, your job is translator and not writer learn the difference. You didn’t write this media piece so how do you take out the liberty too mistranslate what the author wrote. Like at this point just let ai translate this stuff and fire these people. I come home from 8-10 hour shifts and I wanna enjoy games/media and not a political message about woke stuff. Like they do this to so many established franchises and destroy them as we saw with Star Wars, Marvel, LotR and Witcher and they tried too pull that shit with warhammer 40k.

Didn’t this person also had a hand in hiring the English voice for wuk ? I’m pretty sure she did and if you take these tweets it does sound like a “diversity” or “friendship” hire and not a “best for the job” hire.

Woke lamat is the sweet baby inc self insert in the game. Always there always watching big sister.
It's like a brand of ownership on the game itself from within.

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Oh god just reading these tweets makes me wanna vomit. Just liking the idea that translators should have the liberty of putting anything they want in there is just so mega idiotic, your job is translator and not writer learn the difference. You didn’t write this media piece so how do you take out the liberty too mistranslate what the author wrote. Like at this point just let ai translate this stuff and fire these people. I come home from 8-10 hour shifts and I wanna enjoy games/media and not a political message about woke stuff. Like they do this to so many established franchises and destroy them as we saw with Star Wars, Marvel, LotR and Witcher and they tried too pull that shit with warhammer 40k.

Didn’t this person also had a hand in hiring the English voice for wuk ? I’m pretty sure she did and if you take these tweets it does sound like a “diversity” or “friendship” hire and not a “best for the job” hire.

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let me grab this for a topic

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Yeah I also read the “I would ban people criticising my work because I don’t like this”. I can only imagine how fun it is too discuss anything with this person about anything real life or ingame related stuff. Also why does it feel like any woke crazy person has either blue or pink hair and most times piercings ( its a stereotype but it became a pretty common thing)

I wish we had an optional quest to get a restraining order against Wuk.

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I wish we had an optional quest to get a restraining order against Wuk.

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At the start of 7.1...

It's like they knew! /s
https://i.imgur.com/CdqdpSy.png

they are trying SO HARD to not reference the 10 years of lore and treat DT MSQ as a standalone story launch.

Sure, we get a few mentions to past shit, but MAN it seems like the people living here know we are some kind of crazy world explorer and just don't ask us about anything they might have wondered...

They cant have bakool reference anything related to anything we have done in the last 10 years cause he has been isolated to Tural forever. All characters FROM Tural CAN reference IS Tural. they ONLY have Wuk and MAYBE Koana to gush about since Galool ja ja is ded and if they reference some "Hero of the Pelu pelu" Then why the fawk diddnt we learn about it in the MSQ about learning their history