Revert Starry Muse not appearing on Limited visual effect setting

I play Pictomancer (and all of the jobs) with my effects and my party's effects set to Limited. I do not play with All effect for myself because I find the visuals extremely distracting, especially when using multiple abilities and spells during raid buffs.

With the recent change in 7.1, my personal Starry Muse field will no longer appear for myself with my effects set to Limited. I believe this change to be a bad one, as I am now forced to either guess where my field is during buffs, or play with all of my effects on-- there is no in between. If players don't want to see their own Starry Muse, that is what the effects Off option is for, not limited.

Black Mages can still see their (and others') Ley Lines with effects set to Limited, so why are Pictomancers different? As an accessibility option being taken away, I am very disheartened and not looking forward to playing this way for the foreseeable future. I am crossing my fingers, hoping for a hotfix for this glaring mistake.

Please revert, this was such a ridiculous change. I don't even play PCT at the moment and I WANT to see where my party member's grass is so I don't put an aoe in there.

Afaict no one has reported this on the Japanese bug tracker so there's a good chance they're still completely unaware of the issue. Bug reports have been made on the English bug tracker (https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...2-in-game-bugs) but it appears they haven't read those in a good while. If someone here can write Japanese it would probably help to make a bug report in the Japanese section. They should post a known issues post on https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/forums/623-general once they're aware of it I think.

Japanese bug report section: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...A0%B1%E5%91%8A
At the moment there doesn't appear to be a topic posted for this issue.

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Originally Posted by feffe

Afaict no one has reported this on the Japanese bug tracker so there's a good chance they're still completely unaware of the issue. Bug reports have been made on the English bug tracker (https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...2-in-game-bugs) but it appears they haven't read those in a good while. If someone here can write Japanese it would probably help to make a bug report in the Japanese section. They should post a known issues post on https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/forums/623-general once they're aware of it I think.

Japanese bug report section: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...A0%B1%E5%91%8A
At the moment there doesn't appear to be a topic posted for this issue.

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Unfortunately, this is not a bug. If you check the 7.1 patch notes, it clearly states under Pictomancer "The ground effect will no longer appear when battle effects are set to Show Limited". That is why I am hoping they revert this insane change.

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Originally Posted by feffe

Japanese bug report section: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...A0%B1%E5%91%8A
At the moment there doesn't appear to be a topic posted for this issue.

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Unfortunately this post reported the same issue in Japanese forum but it moved to "Working as Intended" section.

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Originally Posted by xfm0

Please revert, this was such a ridiculous change. I don't even play PCT at the moment and I WANT to see where my party member's grass is so I don't put an aoe in there.

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You put an erroneous "don't" into that sentence. A typo, I'm sure!

They meant a dangerous AOE, I believe.

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Originally Posted by Giannoli

They meant a dangerous AOE, I believe.

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Yeah my point. Why would you not want to put the dangerous AoE onto your party? Specifically the Dragoon, if you get a choice. You know they deserve it! (as in, I was making a joke :P )

As for the actual topic I dunno. But since for all practical intents and purposes the field is a Leylines just by another name, it really ought to have exactly the same behavior in regards to settings and all. However, this does mean that other players also cannot hide it, IIRC?

I am actually glad it is gone. As someone who plays on limited specifically because I do not want clutter, it was very annoying when there was more than one picto and Starry taking up screen real estate.

Does leylines still show up on limited? Because both of these should be visible.

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Originally Posted by Emitans

Does leylines still show up on limited? Because both of these should be visible.

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I suspect that what happened here is that before, it was in the "important raid effect"-category, which always shows up. Like Leylines, and some healer AoEs, etc.

Since they got told that's distracting, they now put it into the "normal spell vfx"-category. Where of course other people can hide it, but so can we.

Everyone should see it, since its the equivalent of BLM leylines. If you (general you) drop AoEs in my circle, I can't do my rotation correctly.

I do think Starry Muse was an issue. In a lot of high-end raids, precise positioning is extremely important, and starry muse is just way too big, and obscured way too much of the arena. All for a buff that only applies to one member of the party.

No other ground aoes really have this issue. Most mitigation aoes are relatively light. And as for ley lines, the fact that it's smaller, levitates off the ground, and slowly spins makes it not an issue to see the ground in limited.

I was happy to see it gone, but I never really considered it from the perspective of someone who only plays in limited. Kinda makes me wish there was some sort of compromise, like how ASTs star aoe works- where the starry outline is visible in limited, but the full explosion isn't. Maybe they could've kept the outer ring of starry muse visible, while hiding the pulsing flowers.

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Originally Posted by DeltaCyan

I do think Starry Muse was an issue. In a lot of high-end raids, precise positioning is extremely important, and starry muse is just way too big, and obscured way too much of the arena. All for a buff that only applies to one member of the party.

No other ground aoes really have this issue. Most mitigation aoes are relatively light. And as for ley lines, the fact that it's smaller, levitates off the ground, and slowly spins makes it not an issue to see the ground in limited.

I was happy to see it gone, but I never really considered it from the perspective of someone who only plays in limited. Kinda makes me wish there was some sort of compromise, like how ASTs star aoe works- where the starry outline is visible in limited, but the full explosion isn't. Maybe they could've kept the outer ring of starry muse visible, while hiding the pulsing flowers.

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Precise positioning is precisely why it's important to be able to see it from a PCT's perspective. Prepositioning at the edge of your starry for movement so you can step out and hammer then step back in to cast is quite useful and lets you use Starry on cd even in movement heavy situations.

I do think your suggestion for outline in Limited and full effects in All is a pretty good compromise, but I'd much rather they give us more granular control especially for personal effects. If I could hide the painting pop ups over my head I would probably be much more willing to use All Effects as I already do on other classes.

Unless they changed it so that you no longer have to stand inside the Starry Muse to gain the buff, it is still a party buff that is now no longer visible if you play on limited. Hard to keep track of where your pictomancer placed it or if they even used it at all in some fights.

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Originally Posted by EWnn

Unless they changed it so that you no longer have to stand inside the Starry Muse to gain the buff, it is still a party buff that is now no longer visible if you play on limited. Hard to keep track of where your pictomancer placed it or if they even used it at all in some fights.

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Your party never had to stand inside the field to get the party buff. That's what everyone thought and why people asked for the field to be hideable in the first place, since that was a red herring.

Yeah starry muse is 5 unique effects and the game doesn’t convey this well

Effect 1) 5% party wide damage up with a 30 yalm radius. It is a snapshot buff and applies the second you render starry muse. It does not affect and is not affected by anything else starry muse does
Effect 2) 1 free cast of star prism with a 30 second duration
Effect 3) 1 free use of subtractive pallet with a 30 a second duration
Effect 4) grants 5 stacks of hyperphantasia decreasing the cast and recast time of aetherhue spells casted within the magic landscape with a duration of 30 seconds
Effect 5) upon execution of all 5 stacks of hyperphantasia grants a free cast of rainbow drip with zero cast and reduced recast times

The party functionally doesn’t care about the magic landscape except to avoid placing AOE’s there so it’s easy to hide it when you aren’t the PCT. The problem is for people who liked playing PCT and liked playing on limited they can no longer see their own magic landscape which is the problem

I came here to see why I can't see Starry Muse - even though I have it set to "Show ALL" for own. I really am disappointed that I can't see this graphic because it was a huge part of the class. I guess I will park my Picto until they fix this.

Sad that this was not fixed with 7.11. Don't like that I practically have to play with full battle effects on myself for FRU now.

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Originally Posted by feffe

Sad that this was not fixed with 7.11. Don't like that I practically have to play with full battle effects on myself for FRU now.

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I suspect that to them it's a minor issue as I would expect the very very vast majority of players to have their own battle effects on and set to full. It's more that people only change them for other players, hence whereas before the field was like Black Mage Leylines, now it's like any ol other spell effect. And hence hides if you hide your own spell effects, whereas before it showed (but since there's no distinction, also showed for other players).

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Originally Posted by DeltaCyan

Kinda makes me wish there was some sort of compromise, like how ASTs star aoe works- where the starry outline is visible in limited, but the full explosion isn't. Maybe they could've kept the outer ring of starry muse visible, while hiding the pulsing flowers.

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I could understand the full grass and flowers field might be distracting for some people, but this would be a good solution. Let that outer ring stay visible like AST’s Earthly Star.

I've had my effects on Limited all game, except while fishing, and it hurts my soul that now that I finally don't need to change effects while fishing ... they do this to pct so I can't actually tell where my field is.

I found the full effect distracting as well, but the correct approach is to tone down the effect, not make it completely invisible unless you want a whole lot of graphical effects.

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Originally Posted by wildvenonat

I found the full effect distracting as well, but the correct approach is to tone down the effect, not make it completely invisible unless you want a whole lot of graphical effects.

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They didn't turn it off entirely though. They just moved it from "always visible" to "can be turned off if the player desires", as we've all asked them to do. I mean there were people saying back then that this will have undesirable side-effects because the game only knows two types of effects, one that is always visible, and all the other ones.

Of course, what they should have done is make the outer boundary marker its own effect, and leave that at "always show" -> it'll still show for all other players too then, though. I don't think the game supports an effect being always visible to the player but hidden for other players.