Holmgang Fix:

Holmgang got a faster activation time now, but that wasn't the real issue with this ability:

The Problems with using Holmgang:

Holmgang has two activation methods: Using it on a Target or using it With no target.

Problems:
1#
If you have a Target and you are out of Range, (Holmgang only has a 6y range), you can't use Holmgang while you have a Target, you might die to this.

The secondary effect of Holmgang is a Snare, which is also extremly useless.

2#
You can activate Holmgang without problems if you have no target.

3#
If the Target of Holmgang dies, you lose the "you can't fall below 1 HP" effect and can die.

All these are small Problem with the ability, they happen very rarely, but if you play the game long enough you will eventually die to one of them, i think it happened 3 or 4 times to me that i died because i couldn't use Holmgang (too far away) or the one mob i targeted in a Dungeon died and i lost the invul effect too early.

Solutions:
1#
Remove the snare effect and requirement of a target entirely.
or
2#
If the target of Holmgang is too far away, just activate Holmgang without the snare effect regardless.
or
3#
Increase the range of Holmgang to 25y & Change the snare effect to work similar to Paladins "Cover", the chain/snare only happens when you are within 6y, but breaks if you are out of range.
or/and
4#
Separate the Snare from the Invulnerability effect, so you don't lose Holmgang in case the Target Dies (two buffs instead of one)

That's just where I use a Holmgang macro to just "/ac "Holmgang" <me>" over and over and over with no issues. I want my save me button to save me after all.

The snare is a weird holdover from the old days though and wouldn't mind if it was just like my macro version naturally, #1 is just the better option with no complications. It's an invuln, it works good, that's that. Because realistically speaking with how fast tanks generate aggro especially these days, you basically snare things as long as you smack them anyway.

Make more bosses vulnerable to the snare, imo.

A Holmgang is a dueling island, yes? Just replace the snare effect with a new effect such that if the WAR leaves a circular 'island' while the effect is active, then the WAR dies in disgrace. That would partially justify the extremely short recast with no true downside.

5) Bring back old holmgang with its old sets of constraints and identity justifying the low recast. Or what Lyth proposed, it has flavor as well even if really strong. This game needs flavor over all else.

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Originally Posted by Lyth

A Holmgang is a dueling island, yes? Just replace the snare effect with a new effect such that if the WAR leaves a circular 'island' while the effect is active, then the WAR dies in disgrace. That would partially justify the extremely short recast with no true downside.

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This is a genius idea. Just have it make a puddle at your feet that you can't leave or the effect expires. Maybe have enemies in that puddle get rooted/Heavy for a couple seconds to keep the original gist.

This is kinda the same as what original Holmgang was. It snared both you and the boss (if applicable, most bosses can't actually be snared for obv reasons).

I also like something like lyths idea. Holmgang needs something to justify its ridiculously low CD

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Originally Posted by Lyth

A Holmgang is a dueling island, yes? Just replace the snare effect with a new effect such that if the WAR leaves a circular 'island' while the effect is active, then the WAR dies in disgrace. That would partially justify the extremely short recast with no true downside.

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A homgang isn't the island itself but the practice of an honor duel often held on small islands.
It still makes thematic sense to create a small box in which the effect applies however, since the dueling area in a holmgang was around 9-12 square foot.

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Originally Posted by MikoRemi

That's just where I use a Holmgang macro to just "/ac "Holmgang" <me>" over and over and over with no issues. I want my save me button to save me after all.

The snare is a weird holdover from the old days though and wouldn't mind if it was just like my macro version naturally, #1 is just the better option with no complications. It's an invuln, it works good, that's that. Because realistically speaking with how fast tanks generate aggro especially these days, you basically snare things as long as you smack them anyway.

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The problem is that you shouldn't need a macro to activate the ability without the listed problems in the first place. But I feel like this is something that will just be ignored due to the delayed hit detection on Decimate being the only other issue with the job as is.

ngl the idea of war leylines is pretty funny.

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Originally Posted by AnjouMaaka

The problem is that you shouldn't need a macro to activate the ability without the listed problems in the first place. But I feel like this is something that will just be ignored due to the delayed hit detection on Decimate being the only other issue with the job as is.

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Nah even Xeems brought up that a macro shouldn't be needed. It is the current workaround though at the very least but if it naturally worked like the macro I would not complain one bit because the snare is just a relic of an old age that isn't needed anymore and in fact hampers the experience.
Decimate I could see being less delayed if the animation played out faster but well see, I feel like they just don't wanna change it much like changing Fell Cleave's animation because it's a goodie haha.