Graphics Update 7.1 Feedback - Female Highlander Face 1

Once again coming to the forum because they said they were going to fix issues surrounding faces, except they didn't really for Female Highlander Face 1.

They haven't fixed the tilt of eyeshape 3, nor fixed the weird gap issue in the eyebrows, or the upper lip shape size for mouth shape 3. They seemingly only got rid of the philtrum's shadow, like it originally was (finally!)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GcOBwJ3X...jpg&name=large

6.58 vs. 7.1

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GcOGJltX...jpg&name=large

I join the above. I hope the devs will finally remember that there is more than just miqo'tes in their game.

Joining here with this:

https://i.imgur.com/Frf2ucq.png?1

It's just sad. It could have been adjusted with mapping, or with actual texture work.
It also made me change the race as I don't have the patience to wait to get back any semblance of my previous character.

I wanted something like this:

https://i.imgur.com/4LRyijZ.png
And this was done by 2 hrs of texture editing of the 7.0 textures...

ngl, in both of the examples posted - 7.1 looks better than 7.0 and 7.0 looked better than 6.58.

Y'all are literally impossible to please. They can't upgrade something without changing it at all.

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Originally Posted by BigCheez

ngl, in both of the examples posted - 7.1 looks better than 7.0 and 7.0 looked better than 6.58.

Y'all are literally impossible to please. They can't upgrade something without changing it at all.

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That's just, like, your opinion, man.

We have played these characters for years in many cases. You may think it is an improvement, but if the people actually playing the races don't think so, why do you think this comment is at all helpful?

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Originally Posted by BigCheez

ngl, in both of the examples posted - 7.1 looks better than 7.0 and 7.0 looked better than 6.58.

Y'all are literally impossible to please. They can't upgrade something without changing it at all.

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I've waited for a comment like this. And it's not disappoint. Missed this classic 'don't you dare to criticize, just shut up and eat what the slacking dev team gave you' nonsense I had back in my WoW days.

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Originally Posted by riani

Joining here with this:

https://i.imgur.com/Frf2ucq.png?1

It's just sad. It could have been adjusted with mapping, or with actual texture work.
It also made me change the race as I don't have the patience to wait to get back any semblance of my previous character.

I wanted something like this:

https://i.imgur.com/4LRyijZ.png
And this was done by 2 hrs of texture editing of the 7.0 textures...

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I would actually LOVE if the shape 3 eyes were to be changed to be just like that! The edited version looks like what the eyes SHOULD look like.

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Originally Posted by BigCheez

ngl, in both of the examples posted - 7.1 looks better than 7.0 and 7.0 looked better than 6.58.

Y'all are literally impossible to please. They can't upgrade something without changing it at all.

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"Impossible to please" and it is Highlander Female mains who have been playing the same race for years and years giving feedback???

WE were used to seeing OUR characters with the same face, eye and lip shape for YEARS and suddenly they look NOTHING like the character that went through MSQ and other content. How dare we want to have our character look the same as they did before, right??? I could understand if they somehow kept the features the same, but the sharpness of the eyes and lips are different, the face and noses look more bloated and all the eye options are eyes that are down-turned and small. Previously, the eye shape I chose was proportional in size compared to the sharp features of the face, the eyes looked cat-like and sultry.

I'm sure lots of people also love the changes they made to this face (yay for you if you do! :D) and that is okay, but this is feedback in hopes that the devs will see it. A lot of people want their characters to look the way they did before Dawntrail, and that is why we are on the forums giving feedback, thank you.

I've posted about this issue when the first Benchmark for Dawntrail came out, gave some pointers to what the devs could do to make the face look as close to the original vibe of the face (nothing changed to improve the face), I've posted feedback for the second benchmark for DT (nothing changed to improve the face), feedback on the release of 7.0 (nothing changed to improve the face) and then now doing it once again for 7.1 and no feedback we had given had been received YET AGAIN. All they did was change the UNIVERSAL for ALL RACES' shadow on the philtrum to be less obvious.

PS. English is not my first language, I'm sorry! :)

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Originally Posted by asrali

"Impossible to please" and it is Highlander Female mains who have been playing the same race for years and years giving feedback???

WE were used to seeing OUR characters with the same face, eye and lip shape for YEARS and suddenly they look NOTHING like the character that went through MSQ and other content. How dare we want to have our character look the same as they did before, right??? I could understand if they somehow kept the features the same, but the sharpness of the eyes and lips are different, the face and noses look more bloated and all the eye options are eyes that are down-turned and small. Previously, the eye shape I chose was proportional in size compared to the sharp features of the face, the eyes looked cat-like and sultry.

I'm sure lots of people also love the changes they made to this face (yay for you if you do! :D) and that is okay, but this is feedback in hopes that the devs will see it. A lot of people want their characters to look the way they did before Dawntrail, and that is why we are on the forums giving feedback, thank you.

I've posted about this issue when the first Benchmark for Dawntrail came out, gave some pointers to what the devs could do to make the face look as close to the original vibe of the face (nothing changed to improve the face), I've posted feedback for the second benchmark for DT (nothing changed to improve the face), feedback on the release of 7.0 (nothing changed to improve the face) and then now doing it once again for 7.1 and no feedback we had given had been received YET AGAIN. All they did was change the UNIVERSAL for ALL RACES' shadow on the philtrum to be less obvious.

PS. English is not my first language, I'm sorry! :)

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I don't think you understand. Something cannot be upgraded while remaining identical. It needs to change or the upgrade is... nothing.

To look at these images and say "they look NOTHING like the character that went through MSQ and other content" is either incredibly dishonest or insane. There are very subtle differences but it's those differences that make them look like upgraded versions of the same character model. Without those changes, the character would not be upgraded. Expecting the game keep its 2010 graphics forever because you personally can't deal with minute change is selfish IMO.

I hope that ya'll will continue to see good changes. My partner plays Highlander and was not happy with some of the results of the update, so I hope they'll continue to look into getting the shapes of the facial features right.

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Originally Posted by BigCheez

I don't think you understand. Something cannot be upgraded while remaining identical. It needs to change or the upgrade is... nothing.

To look at these images and say "they look NOTHING like the character that went through MSQ and other content" is either incredibly dishonest or insane. There are very subtle differences but it's those differences that make them look like upgraded versions of the same character model. Without those changes, the character would not be upgraded. Expecting the game keep its 2010 graphics forever because you personally can't deal with minute change is selfish IMO.

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They sure managed to update several other character models without managing to change the overall 3D model. Why not in this case as well?

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Originally Posted by BigCheez

To look at these images and say "they look NOTHING like the character that went through MSQ and other content" is either incredibly dishonest or insane. There are very subtle differences but it's those differences that make them look like upgraded versions of the same character model. Without those changes, the character would not be upgraded. Expecting the game keep its 2010 graphics forever because you personally can't deal with minute change is selfish IMO.

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I’ll just ignore the “incredibly dishonest or insane” part, as there’s a 200-page thread with before and after images proving the contrary. Some people have an eye for details, others don’t.

In the end, it’s essentially art. If you can draw a perfect circle in one medium, you should be able to do so in another. Many of the changes people are detailing have to do with the actual shapes of facial features being changed, and that’s more “artistic license” than an upgrade. And honestly, if the “upgrade” can’t properly render shapes as well as the old version, it’s either user error or not much of an upgrade at all.

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Originally Posted by Korynith

We have played these characters for years in many cases. You may think it is an improvement, but if the people actually playing the races don't think so, why do you think this comment is at all helpful?

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I've been a female Highlander for years and use many of the same options you do. Other than a lip texture choice I'd like them to change I think the devs did a fantastic job. It is absolutely an improvement.

Even with the side by sides I honestly cannot tell the difference. Anyway there are probably mods for that

I want my old lip color back, completely without lipstick or that nasty shine. The new lips completely destroy the aesthetic of my characters.

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Originally Posted by BigCheez

ngl, in both of the examples posted - 7.1 looks better than 7.0 and 7.0 looked better than 6.58.

Y'all are literally impossible to please. They can't upgrade something without changing it at all.

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Originally Posted by Korynith

That's just, like, your opinion, man.

We have played these characters for years in many cases. You may think it is an improvement, but if the people actually playing the races don't think so, why do you think this comment is at all helpful?

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As someone who thought my character "drastically changed" from her EW/Pre-DT version. But at the same time understood that it does indeed look better, if not 100% the same. I can see where both of you are coming from.

First off, one can't just disregard how someone who spent years playing with the same character is bothered by how different their character looks in their eyes. The years spent would give someone the ability to differentiate even the most seemingly minute difference in detail on their character. A detail that would likely not be seen from an outsider's perspective. For example, i thought female Au ra didn't change as drastically as female Hyurs did. I actually thought they just looked overall better. But then i saw post of female Au ra players stating that their character looks very different from their previous iteration. I personally didn't see it (as clearly that is), since i never played as a female Au ra. But i'm not disregarding their concerns, as i don't have the same familiarity as they do.

On the other hand, Bigcheez does still have a point. The character models where most complaints were coming from are about a decade old. Bumping those older models up from 2010/2013 standards into todays will inevitably result in some changes. Whether those changes are for the better or not may depend on individual perspective. And honestly, the fact that it seems the same from an outsiders perspective (and without thorough scrutiny) means that they seem to have at least succeeded in trying to preserve the old look of most of the character models. Said outsider perspective i also do not dismiss outright. As they often tend to focus on what improved rather than what changed, if one gets my meaning.

Also, i feel like the age of these models have something to do with the little to no complaints from Viera and Hrothgar players. Since they are relatively newer.

Anyway, since we're talking about the 7.1 changes.

Left is 7.0, right is 7.1 for both images.

https://i.imgur.com/0ge7K6g.png

https://i.imgur.com/XxxNmv7.png

Seems YoshiP gave my character a lip reduction surgery. Which i personally don't mind since it looks closer to my character's pre-DT iteration. Besides that, i honestly can't tell what else was changed.

as sometimes highlander player tbh I don't see any difference I guess I'm blind

Wow, that came out of nowhere lmao

I'm willing to bet everyone saying they can't tell the difference didn't look at the images for more than 10 seconds

If a change is really so bad it warrants changing you shouldn't have to look at it for more than 10 seconds

Face 1 was the one having issues why post about other faces.
Seems like they're using the skeleton model of a roe that's why they're so different from our original Highlander, and perhaps the word is not different but deformed.
Eyes, Nose and Lips.