AAC Light-heavyweight M4 ) Savage

Please put the damn door bosses back in the game for us PARTY FINDER GAMERS. Stop catering to the nerds that clear everything the day the patch comes out claiming everything is too easy.

Damn near impossible to find a group to clear when they can't get through phase 1.

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Originally Posted by Sal8050

Please put the damn door bosses back in the game for us PARTY FINDER GAMERS. Stop catering to the nerds that clear everything the day the patch comes out claiming everything is too easy.

Damn near impossible to find a group to clear when they can't get through phase 1.

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Uh...just for the record? That is a Door Boss. Regardless, the Week 1 people are still going to destroy the Door Boss and clear the tier before you know it, so you can't stop it either way.

Seems like you are contradicting yourself. A doorboss would just mean another phase for them to get stuck on and hold you back.

Which is a frustration people have with doorbosses. Just like getting stuck on a first Phase, when there's a doorboss, all that happens is people get stuck on those instead.

Yeah, the lack of a doorboss makes this easier, not harder.


Also, I much prefer not having doorbosses, I find them boring and used too often in the last floors. It just makes progging even more annoying.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Also, I much prefer not having doorbosses, I find them boring and used too often in the last floors. It just makes progging even more annoying.

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This.

If every boss were like O4s Exdeath I wouldn't mind as much since that's just an intense ~4 minute fight that doesn't overstay it's welcome.
But with every expansion the door boss has just become increasingly longer, to the point where you're spending 8 minutes on the door boss and another 8 minutes on the actual boss.
Rather annoying to prog when you have to go through essentially an entire fight before you get back to your prog point every time you reset the instance.

And then on top of being annoying to prog and especially annoying on reclears you often also run into the issue where the door boss is the hardest part of the fight and the actual final boss is kind of a joke.

What I'm trying to say is, make phase two the starting point when we die. Party Finder groups need it. Make the fights harder fine, but make phase 2 where we start if we die.

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Originally Posted by Sal8050

Please put the damn door bosses back in the game for us PARTY FINDER GAMERS. Stop catering to the nerds that clear everything the day the patch comes out claiming everything is too easy.

Damn near impossible to find a group to clear when they can't get through phase 1.

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The fight is easier bevause there is no door. So u have to think again about what u really want. Pf will be pf nomatter how easy something is. Just stop with body checks so that I can play well off my own back

While PF does something extremely consistent by being inconsistent, the main issue why bagging your head against the wall exists has nothing to do with how the fight is designed or if the boss is a door boss or not.

The main core issue is that the PF is filled with people who are lying about their actual prog points or those who expect to simply be carried.

No, door bosses have always been annoying. I'd rather just one real fight. Hopefully it stays like this for a while.

The issues with doors bosses was that after exdeath, they started to become way too long. They were fine when they were like 1-2 minutes like faust or a short fight like exdeath. Starting with kekfa they were starting to become a bit too long. E4S was fine but e8s we just had to see that cutscene every single time.

Real raids would be nice... so not just fighting one foe and then moving to the next extreme trial....

They should make hardmode 24 man raids as well, that would drop same level items ass 8 person raids.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

Real raids would be nice... so not just fighting one foe and then moving to the next extreme trial....

They should make hardmode 24 man raids as well, that would drop same level items ass 8 person raids.

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We had real raids. People did whatever they could to skip the raid part and just fight the bosses, so they just gave us bosses.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Yeah, the lack of a doorboss makes this easier, not harder.

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For PF this late that's a double edged sword because the player quality of PF will adjust downwards if not walled by a fight like p10s. Inconclusive if that would help OP in this case because they might be the kind of person that would get walled.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

For PF this late that's a double edged sword because the player quality of PF will adjust downwards if not walled by a fight like p10s.

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The player quality going downward the longer a tier goes on is a constant though, it has always been a thing and probably always will be, regardless of whether the tier has a door boss or not.

Instead of getting stuck on Electrope Edge 2 they'd just get stuck on whatever the newest Pinax equivalent would be.