Longer patch cycles should mean longer housing demolition timers

I loathe that SE holds many players subscription hostage; but if we're going to have a demolition timer isn't it reasonable to tie it to the release schedule of patches?

ie: if the major patch cycle is, on average, releasing every 16 weeks then the demolition timer should be at 16 weeks time.

Housing can be a very large time investment for many players. To have such a short demolition timer is nothing more than an insanely greedy ploy by SE to keep players subscribed when they aren't playing.

If SE believes so heavily in their product and content pipeline they should put their money with their mouth is and extended the standard demolition timer.

(or make instanced housing . . . or make apartments expandable on the inside to be the size of houses . . . or make housing so plentiful that it's not a problem to get a house . . .)

I just resubbed so that I wouldn't lose my house, so in their book it's a win ;(

I would take all houses being instanced to not have the silly timer anymore.
The novelty of it being in the world for others to walk up to and randomly find is not worth being forced to stay subbed to keep a house thats nearly impossible to get when there's no content to do

A simple solution would be to reduce the gil sink on housing --> people won't be that obsessed to keep theirs --> housing would actually change owners more often --> housing would be more accessible to the active playerbase --> people wouldn't feel too pressured to stay subbed --> less money for SE


I think you're seeing the point why they don't want to change their old housing system - in fact they are even doubling up on it so you'll feel extra bad for losing your small plot now as well that you upgraded to a mansion interior... They ain't fools

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Originally Posted by Shikiseki

A simple solution would be to reduce the gil sink on housing

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The issue with the housing is not the gil cost of the house, it's winning the lottery, esp on popular servers. Gil is easy to come by and if you've been playing for a while you usually have more than you even know what to do with it. My sister has a large plot at the beach in Mist that she got before the lottery was even a thing and now essentially SE has been holding her hostage for sub money for YEARS, because getting that house was a once in a lifetime thing that is never gonna happen again. If you ever see a plot like that available it has hundreds of bidders.

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Originally Posted by Shikiseki

A simple solution would be to reduce the gil sink on housing --> people won't be that obsessed to keep theirs --> housing would actually change owners more often --> housing would be more accessible to the active playerbase --> people wouldn't feel too pressured to stay subbed --> less money for SE


I think you're seeing the point why they don't want to change their old housing system - in fact they are even doubling up on it so you'll feel extra bad for losing your small plot now as well that you upgraded to a mansion interior... They ain't fools

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There isn't really a gilsink with current version of housing. It's more of a premium to get a house now due to lottery and the limited number. The fact you're being kept as a hostage if you need to take a break is a bigger issue.

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Originally Posted by Shikiseki

A simple solution would be to reduce the gil sink on housing --> people won't be that obsessed to keep theirs --> housing would actually change owners more often --> housing would be more accessible to the active playerbase --> people wouldn't feel too pressured to stay subbed --> less money for SE


I think you're seeing the point why they don't want to change their old housing system - in fact they are even doubling up on it so you'll feel extra bad for losing your small plot now as well that you upgraded to a mansion interior... They ain't fools

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Reducing the gil on housing would make the existing situation even worse and lottery bids would probably be 10x worse, sounds like an absolute disaster

I do agree the timer should be longer. With the way timers are set up, we can only really skip one month and then "have" to resub by the next if we want to keep the house. So much for a game that encourages us to take breaks.

That said, 16 weeks seems a bit too much. Theoretically you could login to do the patch, and then logout again without any consequences until the next patch, in which case you would be keeping the house hostage. I'd personally settle for, idk, 9 or 10 weeks.

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Originally Posted by Reimmi

I would take all houses being instanced to not have the silly timer anymore.
The novelty of it being in the world for others to walk up to and randomly find is not worth being forced to stay subbed to keep a house thats nearly impossible to get when there's no content to do

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^Or this. Maybe make housing instanced but create a lobby where everyone can hang out, that way everyone gets a house without losing the neighborhoods.

The thing about insanely greedy ploys is that calling them out isn't going to stop it. They're laughing at you.

You need to bite the bullet and unsub.

I am logged in right now with a free login just to let my FC leader know they have my blessing to let it go.

I encourage you all to do the same. Let it go. Unsub. Your pixel dollhouse is not worth your dignity.

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Originally Posted by Allegor

I do agree the timer should be longer. With the way timers are set up, we can only really skip one month and then "have" to resub by the next if we want to keep the house. So much for a game that encourages us to take breaks.

That said, 16 weeks seems a bit too much. Theoretically you could login to do the patch, and then logout again without any consequences until the next patch, in which case you would be keeping the house hostage. I'd personally settle for, idk, 9 or 10 weeks.



^Or this. Maybe make housing instanced but create a lobby where everyone can hang out, that way everyone gets a house without losing the neighborhoods.

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90 days seems reasonable to me if they intend on keeping a demolition timer. That's 2x of current system.
I'd rather get get rid of it completely and embrace and implement an instanced version.
I was on the train "we need to keep neighborhood feeling" for so many years, but last I owned a house, it was barren, barely anyone is in the housing wards. I remember a time when they were busy, around arr-hw era.

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Originally Posted by Korbei

The thing about insanely greedy ploys is that calling them out isn't going to stop it. They're laughing at you.

You need to bite the bullet and unsub.

I am logged in right now with a free login just to let my FC leader know they have my blessing to let it go.

I encourage you all to do the same. Let it go. Unsub. Your pixel dollhouse is not worth your dignity.

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I'm not subbed, but I have a 3 month sub which expires in 2-3 weeks then I'm out. I "lost" my house a month or two ago, a medium in a desirable spot.
I won't re-sub for awhile. SE still gets my money for FF11 though, but that game is at least worth my time and entertaining.

houses dont really have much purpose.. you decorate them and then you just forget about it. The only reason to have a house is submarines.. which is for making gil, which ist mostly unnecessary aswell

Just let me airlift my house to my island sanctuary, than anyone is welcome to my plot.

I agree. It should be extended at least as long as their content releases.

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

houses dont really have much purpose.. you decorate them and then you just forget about it. The only reason to have a house is submarines.. which is for making gil, which ist mostly unnecessary aswell

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While mechanically this is true, I think roleplayers or even people who don't RP but get really into immersion and expressing their character feel that their home is very important to them.

I still think the housing system in XIV is terrible, as someone who just enjoys housing in MMOs. I remember being laid off after buying my first home in XIV and I just had to pause playing the game as paying rent was more important at the time. I lost my house and also all my furniture also expired, so I lost that too. I was so angry I almost never came back to this game.

People put a lot of time and resources into their homes, and if XIV is now a game that they think people should play 1 month every content patch, the homes should be protected at least for the duration of their content patches.

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

houses dont really have much purpose.. you decorate them and then you just forget about it. The only reason to have a house is submarines.. which is for making gil, which ist mostly unnecessary aswell

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In a game that has glam as a very big portion, housing does add to that. It can be customized a lot more. Outside of that it barely has any use, and this is what instanced housing isnt realy going to fix either. It at most will help some RP players, but most of them wont care.

Yes, let it go. Even more so if you didn't even bother decorating it, you just ruin the neighborhood :P
I currently have a neighbor right next to our FC house that put a single potted tree outside and called it a day.
What's the point of even getting/keeping a house if you're not going to use it? Get an apartment, be free.

On topic: I do believe we require an extension for the demolition timer. we have to sub every 6 weeks to not lose it, and the patches are now 16 weeks apart instead of 12.
An 8-week timer seems more reasonable.

It'd be cool if they did this, but there's literally no reason for them to. It'd only cost them money since people would predictably stop playing until the next update.
Now take their real practices and compare them to what Yoshida says about taking breaks until the next update. When you do that, it becomes easy to understand that Yoshi just says things that sound nice, and then the company in charge of the game does the opposite.

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Originally Posted by KurenXIV

I loathe that SE holds many players subscription hostage; but if we're going to have a demolition timer isn't it reasonable to tie it to the release schedule of patches?

ie: if the major patch cycle is, on average, releasing every 16 weeks then the demolition timer should be at 16 weeks time.

Housing can be a very large time investment for many players. To have such a short demolition timer is nothing more than an insanely greedy ploy by SE to keep players subscribed when they aren't playing.

If SE believes so heavily in their product and content pipeline they should put their money with their mouth is and extended the standard demolition timer.

(or make instanced housing . . . or make apartments expandable on the inside to be the size of houses . . . or make housing so plentiful that it's not a problem to get a house . . .)

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Once again, it is community want the demolition timer to recycle empty house, not SE
Why would they want to pipeline their development cycle with demolition timer
There are more players without housing plot than housing owner to begin with

If you want to take break, go take break, it is 45 business days and all you need to enter house once, not difficult
Subscription to this game is as much as you order a drink from Starbuck or Bubble tea with a snack, get over with it

Lost my house last week and took advantage of the free login campaign to do the Halloween event today.

Event duration : roughly 10 min.
Buying an apartment, recreating a decent room and managing all of the furniture that were temporary stored due to the house demolition : around 6 hours.

So here's my advice, if you want content and own a house : Let it go and you'll have plenty of things to do :3

For someone who owned a property since housing is a thing in this game it felt weird to see the empty spot instead of my house when i logged in, but now i feel kind of free for not having to worry about losing it anymore.

Let it go, let it go~