Allied Society Races is too clunky, please change it

EDIT: My vote goes to Allied Tribes.

Look, on a list of problems, this is so far down it might as well not count; however, on the list of problems that are easiest to fix, I'd say it's closer to the top.

Allied Society Races is to clunky and long to say that I still refer to them as Beast Tribes. I get we want to change it b/c in the meta of the game we've gotten to know the beastial races and want to show more respect to their societies - all for it, but there's a better way to do it.

My suggestion would be to change it to Allied Races, two short words - still clunky b/c of the 4 syllables vs 2, but better than the mouthful that is Allied Society Races - which sounds so dumb, we're adventurers not Lit majors...

Here are some other alternatives:

Allied Tribes
United Tribes
Kindred Tribes
Joint Tribes

United Races
Allied Races
Joint Races

These aren't great compared to Beast Tribes, but if you have any other suggestions for the devs, please list them.

They will always be beast tribes to me. Therefore, the pelupelu are beasts.

I thought they were being changed to tribal quests anyway. I think that is sufficient.

What will the Allied Beast Tribe quests be called now? Allied Allied Society Quests? Maybe it would work better to just call them Society quests if we are going along with this.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

They will always be beast tribes to me. Therefore, the pelupelu are beasts.

I thought they were being changed to tribal quests anyway. I think that is sufficient.

What will the Allied Beast Tribe quests be called now? Allied Allied Society Quests? Maybe it would work better to just call them Society quests if we are going along with this.

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Same, they're just Beast Tribes. It just annoys me how ridiculous Allied Society Quests sounds, it sounds like a middle management safety course I'm required to take for a job I don't have and has equally useless information that is just giving someone a job for doing nothing - is this over the top and a me problem? Yes. However, to sum it up.. it's dumb and I don't like it lol.

My vote goes for Allied Tribes. I would actually use that one.

It's a stretch to call the Loporrits or Omicron "tribes". Societies is fine.

There is no real good term that would fit all of them... They could have just stuck with Tribes as it did fit the most for the ARR, HW and SB ones as they were a specific tribe of their race that you dealt with.

Allied Super Happy Fun Time Peas and Alpacas Forever Society

personally I think the beast tribe naming is the least of the games current issues.

so in that case, I am sure SE will change it for a quick tick in the 'win' column

I will call em Beast tribes till the servers shut down lol

-Are they "man"? no, so ill call em Beast, without any ill spirited intention.

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Originally Posted by lolnotacat

Allied Super Happy Fun Time Peas and Alpacas Forever Society

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& Knuckles.

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Originally Posted by Kuroka

I will call em Beast tribes till the servers shut down lol

-Are they "man"? no, so ill call em Beast, without any ill spirited intention.

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It doesn't really work though in EW with the 'reborn' alien races of Ultima Thule, which range from literally human like in the case of the Karellians, to robots in the Omicronions. And then you have the loporrits which may be closer to the beastmen in terms of 'vaguely anthrompomorphic intelligent animals", they're still more like intelligent puppets that Venat made to run 'Spaceship Moon'. And then you have the Arkasodara who are just another race of people in Thavnair, despite their appearences.

So calling them 'beast tribes' simply does not work. It's an old relic of FFXIV's roots spinning off from FFXI where the 'beastmen' term originated from, but the game has moved past that legacy.

Should just be "Society Quests" imo. Since "Allied" is what they become after you're max level with them.

Show up to do your Allied Society dallies on your Kingly Peacock mount and nobody bats an eye, but show up on your Chocorpokkur and Allied Society goes wild. SOCIETY!

Beast tribes. Simple as.

I voted for Allies.

Whether they're humanoids, beast tribes, or robots, they are allies. Easy peasy.

Beast tribes. Simple as.
https://i.imgur.com/VjR7CRt.png

I really despise calling them beast tribes, but I was fine calling them just "tribes" since that still fit.

Allies is the best and most simple solution.

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Originally Posted by cutestfox

Beast tribes. Simple as.
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Beast tribes. Simple as

I'm good with Societies, or Allied Societies.

I appreciate ending the pairing of "beast" and "tribes." It's a relatively small thing, but small things add up.

Beast Tribes made a bit more sense in FFXI and FFXIV ARR - Stormblood. Once we got to Shadowbringers it is hard to call the Faeries a "tribe" when they are so numerous and literally have an entire region to themselves that they claim. And the Loporitz are too advanced to really be a beast tribe, though the elephant people certainly qualify to an extent.

Beast Tribes worked well for ARR, HW and SB ones, at least until you reached the end of ShB's MSQ... At which point it was kinda just changed to just Tribes, even for people who weren't there yet...

ShB is kind of where they stopped being "Tribes" that you dealt with... I never got around to do the ShB gathering ones, but the Dwarves and Pixies are hardly a society or a tribe...

And the EW ones, we got a gang of bikersHippo Riders and alien races.


"Society" doesn't really fit any of them.

Everyone still calls them beast tribes in every conversation and within communities Ive seen in game.

They can rename them into "Clown car dailies" but people will still call them "BEAST TRIBES"

Beast tribes, simple as

Its like changing a long used term like MSQ into Main narrative fairytale and then back up and change it into prioritized advancement narrative and expecting the community to just suddenly be like. "YEAH!"

Its clunky, rolls off the tongue worse and is a sudden change that begs the question "Who asked for this"

The least they couldve done is made it more precise and snappy. Like "Allied quests"

Beast tribes, simple as

I don't think "allied" should be in the name given that it's the highest reputation tier. It'd be like changing "blue mage spellbook" to "J-Kick repertoire".

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Originally Posted by Hallarem

Its clunky, rolls off the tongue worse and is a sudden change that begs the question "Who asked for this"

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Nobody asked for it; they did it because the factions eventually ceased to be beasts and and ceased to be tribal. Nobody cares if the community still colloquially calls them "beast tribes."

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Originally Posted by TemporalFruitsAndVeggies

Nobody asked for it; they did it because the factions eventually ceased to be beasts and and ceased to be tribal. Nobody cares if the community still colloquially calls them "beast tribes."

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Knock knock, who's there. Beast tribes, simple as

I think Allied Societies works great. They're not all tribes, some of them contain a mix of races, and some of them are literally Lalafell by a different name. The word "societies" does a nice job of describing every one of these groups where words such as "tribes" or "races" fail.

Because of that, I see the name Allied Societies as a clear improvement compared to what we had before.

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Originally Posted by Hallarem

Its clunky, rolls off the tongue worse and is a sudden change that begs the question "Who asked for this"

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Simply put, it does carry negative connotations, and it isn't right for quite a few of them.

In lore, all of the ASR are people. They aren't necessarily humans, like the dwarves being lalafellin and the pelupelu just hyurs, with masks.
Just to focus on the Eorzean ones for a bit, the Amalj'aas, the Sahagin, the Kobold have been treated pretty poorly historically. They summon primals as retaliation. You know the plot of the game.

Now, let's talk about Dawntrail for a bit. We've got the New World, Tural, which is integrally inspired by the American continent. Its people and cultures are quite heavily inspired by native american real lives and real history. It's an understatement, but they have been treated really, REALLY poorly as well, and still are to this day. And to me, it's quite obvious they put a lot of care in Tural and at the very least, tried to be respectful in their portrayal of this place. Who knows, maybe it is why they worked on reworking the lighting for dark skinned characters just now too. Though, I suspect that it is also why there isn't a single NPC in the whole expansion that uses the New World crafted attire from 3.4, and frankly? I think it is really good. And there is still plenty of cowboys and cowgirls in Xak Tural, so nothing to worry about there..
From that premise, I think it would be quite a problem to call that (or any Turali cultures) a tribe, if you're going to stay respectful. Because Tural and the people there are a pretty long lasting civilization. A society, even. I do believe that's the reason why they got renamed now, and not earlier. They dodged a hell of a poor parallel, and it probably wouldve given them a lot more PR problem than anything else imo.

SE is definitely not the only one leaving that wording behind, too. I believe WoTC/Hasbro did the same thing a few years ago. Nintendo as well, like 10 years ago (Well, it was less the wording, and more the kind of items).

Hopefully that made sense, but I think that's whats the most likely.

Allied Societies would definitely roll a lot better, but I don't think we're going to hear about "tribes" ever again in this game, if they didnt scrub out every single line mentioning that already.

Ah, I dunno. I don't really care how they call them ingame nowadays, I'm used to calling them Beast Tribes since ARR and I'll just stick to it.
It still rolls off the tongue easily and people know what I'm talking about when I say it. So yeah, my 2 cents. :)

The word tribe is not a slur. It's still used in our real world today. It's a group of people. Tribes exist and people who still adhere to tribal culture or celebrate which tribe they are from. I'm pretty sure the Whalaqee are a tribe, I'm pretty sure the role quests happened between different tribes. Now the word BEAST I can understand, if you called a Pelupelu a beast in his/her face it would raise eyebrows among them, no doubt but that could be an in game change with wording in the world itself. "Tribal" is not a slur either, it's just being traditional within the customs and cultures of said group of people, the tribe.

But again, we're talking about a fantasy game and a fantasy world, the further away people who think everyday words are "problematic" stay away from the dev team, the better. It reeks of people who think orcs are problematic, because they think they are an allegory for black people. Like that one history channel on youtube. And boy oh boy is that the self-report of the century right there.

Beast tribes, simple as

Calling them "Societies" sounds silly to me. Yes they're societies, but so is any large group within any city-state and hamlet in the game...

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Originally Posted by Hallarem

The word tribe is not a slur. It's still used in our real world today. It's a group of people. Tribes exist and people who still adhere to tribal culture or celebrate which tribe they are from. I'm pretty sure the Whalaqee are a tribe, I'm pretty sure the role quests happened between different tribes. Now the word BEAST I can understand, if you called a Pelupelu a beast in his/her face it would raise eyebrows among them, no doubt but that could be an in game change with wording in the world itself. "Tribal" is not a slur either, it's just being traditional within the customs and cultures of said group of people, the tribe.

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Not that I think that it is a slur. But if "Beast" quite literally doesn't apply anymore, and "tribes" got yanked in the process, I can definitely see them moving away from that wording for that reason, though.

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Originally Posted by Hallarem

But again, we're talking about a fantasy game and a fantasy world, the further away people who think everyday words are "problematic" stay away from the dev team, the better.

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I mean, not really. Tribe isn't exactly a word anyone would use everyday, but regardless, they're still a real business trying to sell a product here, based on real cultures. It goes way beyond being respectful, and more that it would affect their bottom line directly.
At best, it produces bad publicity with 10k likes on Twitter, and nobody cares because the game is good or whatever. At worst, your game doesn't come out because the ESRB or PEGI denied rating due to the wording. Simple as.

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Originally Posted by Doragan

Not that I think that it is a slur. But if "Beast" quite literally doesn't apply anymore, and "tribes" got yanked in the process, I can definitely see them moving away from that wording for that reason, though.



I mean, not really. Tribe isn't exactly a word anyone would use everyday, but regardless, they're still a real business trying to sell a product here, based on real cultures. It goes way beyond being respectful, and more that it would affect their bottom line directly.
At best, it produces bad publicity with 10k likes on Twitter, and nobody cares because the game is good or whatever. At worst, your game doesn't come out because the ESRB or PEGI denied rating due to the wording. Simple as.

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Mah dude. These aren't real cultures though. These are made up cultures in a made up world. They have their own dynamics within their own world and are not some hidden commentary on the real world. People who think like this will end up censoring all art, stories, fables and mythology because fiction hurts them, I swear.

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Originally Posted by cutestfox

Beast tribes. Simple as.
https://i.imgur.com/VjR7CRt.png

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Hmmm, a tribe of beastmen...

Oh, I know! A beast tribe!

in german we had something like 'tribes folk' or 'tribes people'. i liked that quite a bit. i makes sense to go from 'feral tribes'. but now they changed it again to 'friend folks'... and that one has a weird ring to it in german.

“That/this lot” or “themuns” would be fine I think too - short, rolls off the tongue, uses neither beast nor tribe and especially doesn’t use ‘allied’. I think the issue encountered here is that the current descriptor seems to have focused on the description containing certain bits of information rather than being something that sounds natural.

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Originally Posted by cutestfox

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And the world map still calls the Source/Etheirys "Hydaelyn". Who cares.

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Originally Posted by Turnintino

And the world map still calls the Source/Etheirys "Hydaelyn". Who cares.

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Yeah because 99% of the Star calls it Hydaelyn. The Source is only known by people who know about the reflections and Etheirys was the term used by the Ancients.

Just call it Best Tribe, its not like its a huge thing that is in your face most of the time. The change is silly, yes, but i just pretend they didnt change the original name.

Just call it Allied Factions since some of these groups represent a portion of a society (Loporrits) or a counter-culture (The Brotherhood of Ash)