Savages drop question M3S specifically

So on Monday my savage team finally managed to get a kill on Brute Bomber we did however have one person who had cleared it and the notification said 7/8 eligible for loot.

When we killed him only 1 item was dropped which was coffer for the chest pieces. Is this normal loot drop behavior I thought we would be eligible for 2 as 5-7 eligible reduces it by only 2

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Originally Posted by Flokke

So on Monday my savage team finally managed to get a kill on Brute Bomber we did however have one person who had cleared it and the notification said 7/8 eligible for loot.

When we killed him only 1 item was dropped which was coffer for the chest pieces. Is this normal loot drop behavior I thought we would be eligible for 2 as 5-7 eligible reduces it by only 2

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If 5-7/8 are eligible it means you will be rewared with 1 chest. if its less than 5, you will get no chest, only the token.

There are only 1 chest in the new savages. All 4 pieces of loot drop from that 1 chest. The wording is wrong with the new changes. The understanding is that 5-7 cuts the loot count in half with the already reduced to one chest aka instead of 4 items it should be 2, but we only got 1 item which was the Chest Piece. I'm wondering if this is normal or a bug for anyone that may have also gone into M3S with someone who cleared it for the week.

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Originally Posted by Flokke

There are only 1 chest in the new savages. All 4 pieces of loot drop from that 1 chest. The wording is wrong with the new changes. The understanding is that 5-7 cuts the loot count in half with the already reduced to one chest aka instead of 4 items it should be 2, but we only got 1 item which was the Chest Piece. I'm wondering if this is normal or a bug for anyone that may have also gone into M3S with someone who cleared it for the week.

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Yes I thought you were refering to the Items. sorry my bad. I checked the patchnotes and they only say if 1-4 players already have their weekly clear it will be "less Items". Sorry, maybe someone who has already cleared under these conditions too can help you out here :)

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Originally Posted by Flokke

There are only 1 chest in the new savages. All 4 pieces of loot drop from that 1 chest. The wording is wrong with the new changes. The understanding is that 5-7 cuts the loot count in half with the already reduced to one chest aka instead of 4 items it should be 2, but we only got 1 item which was the Chest Piece. I'm wondering if this is normal or a bug for anyone that may have also gone into M3S with someone who cleared it for the week.

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In the old system, the other stuff would be in the chest you lose.



So it's not a bug.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

In the old system, the other stuff would be in the chest you lose.



So it's not a bug.

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By that logic 1 chest would contain 1 item while the other contain the other three... that wouldn't make any sense either...

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Originally Posted by Flokke

By that logic 1 chest would contain 1 item while the other contain the other three... that wouldn't make any sense either...

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Because 1 chest is the primary loot and the other holds the remainder. It's been like this since coil actually.

So, I can't speak to M3S specifically, but as you noted, the way loot used to work was that you only got one of the chests. As far as I know, the current system is functionally identical, it just shows up as 1 chest instead of 2. The important thing here though is that the loot in the chests wasn't evenly distributed when we had 2 chests, so it's likely the same nowadays.

For example, a look at p7s:
https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/w..._(Savage)#Loot

The first chest contains a leg coffer, the second contains head+hand+foot. I assume this was done at some point to balance the worths of the pieces (though I think they're overvaluing the pants there), but the end point is that when you get 1 chest, that's the split that would be chosen in p7s, and it'd be possible to just get the pants coffer. Considering that the one piece you got here was the chest, which is functionally equivalent to pants, I wouldn't be too surprised to see that one of the fake-chests in m3s just contains the chestpiece, and the upgrades/etc are in the other one.

They used to have 2 chests and it would give 1 for each 4 players you have. But those chests didn't strictly contain 2 pieces of loot always.

So if you had 1 chest, sometimes you'd get unlucky and get just 1 piece and sometimes you'd get a bunch of things, because which chest you got was random.

Now it's the same system except the chests are combined. Which makes it harder to explain to people so the easiest way is with this history lesson.

Yes, it is the normal loot logic, one of your guys cucked your group's loot. It's that straightforward.

LMAO

They never bothered to update the text after changing how savage loot works in anabaseios.

Given, its a stupid predatory system that goes against playing with friends so it just sucks all around

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Originally Posted by Akonyl

I assume this was done at some point to balance the worths of the pieces (though I think they're overvaluing the pants there)

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My pseudo-headcanon is that the Battle Content dev team is having a little competition with the MSQ dev team and the Sidequests dev team to make the player wonder about pants. This results in the high valuation of pants in the gear system, one of the titles by which the player is addressed in the MSQ being Stealer of Pants, and the wardrobe quirk of Godbert Manderville.

Do I really, really, believe that? No. But I enjoy it as a pretend fancy because it is funnier to think that is what is going on, and it gives extra joy whenever the game does something that actually works with one of those little joke theories.