Please remove Rival Wings from the Wondrous Trail

No one is playing it in my DC unless there is a Moogle Treasure event.
Having this in the Wondrous Trail makes it an unachievable target.
Could dev please consider removing it from the Wondrous Trail or lowering the number of players required for this game?

Another option is to please add it into the roulette system so I can stop doing Frontlines for the daily reward.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

In the same vein, I'd like it if Wondrous Tails gave me tasks I could actually *access*. It gets annoying when 10+ of them involves content from expansions I haven't reached yet (and likely couldn't even do like the late-game Extremes), so I end up having to repeat the same 2-3 things because I'll get to like, 4-5 stickers and then have to Second Chance the rest.

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Ya, that's normal even at end game. You can solo more of it, but not all of it. They wanted to make it work as an incentive to do older content like Extremes that others may not have done yet to keep it alive.

That being said, you are correct. WT should either give you options to get stickers based off your highest level job or if you're below 90 (the previous level cap not current), you should get double the second chance points if you're low to compensate for the fact there's some content you cannot access on it.


But back on topic, it is so sad that Frontlines is the only roulette option when Rival Wings exist. Giving us both as roulette options would at least vary it up. Doing Frontlines and just that for the daily reward regardless of map isn't fun.

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Originally Posted by Morphiana

Another option is to please add it into the roulette system so I can stop doing Frontlines for the daily reward.

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Yes, this would be a good alternative as well. In fact, I prefer Hidden Gorge over The Fields of Glory, which is highly luck-based and sometimes very frustrating.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

In the same vein, I'd like it if Wondrous Tails gave me tasks I could actually *access*. It gets annoying when 10+ of them involves content from expansions I haven't reached yet (and likely couldn't even do like the late-game Extremes), so I end up having to repeat the same 2-3 things because I'll get to like, 4-5 stickers and then have to Second Chance the rest.

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They already do that. You only start getting the full version of WT once you get a job to max level, otherwise (including if you were previously at max but the level cap was raised) it reverts to the "starter mode" and only gives you level 50 and 60 duties.

Honestly I'd be happy if it was added to a roulette.

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Originally Posted by Morphiana

That being said, you are correct. WT should either give you options to get stickers based off your highest level job or if you're below 90 (the previous level cap not current), you should get double the second chance points if you're low to compensate for the fact there's some content you cannot access on it.

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they are already capped at your highest level job. The only thing is that some duties are also locked behind MSQ progress regardless of level. Op is lvl 100 on more than 2 dozen jobs but only at lvl 61 in MSQ…can’t really blame SE for that one. This is not normal over leveling.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

In the same vein, I'd like it if Wondrous Tails gave me tasks I could actually *access*. It gets annoying when 10+ of them involves content from expansions I haven't reached yet (and likely couldn't even do like the late-game Extremes), so I end up having to repeat the same 2-3 things because I'll get to like, 4-5 stickers and then have to Second Chance the rest.

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You have almost all battle jobs at 100 and you haven’t done Stormblood (still on a lvl 61 quest): that’s an abnormality and it’s entirely on you. If someone doesn’t want to progress msq and unlock side content (normal raids, alliance raids, old ex trials), that’s their problem and they shouldn’t complain. Go play MSQ and unlock those raids and trials you haven’t bothered doing and you’ll have enough stickers. You will have more than enough once you finish ShB…on a lucky week you may have more than enough with just SB.

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Originally Posted by Medauli

No one is playing it in my DC unless there is a Moogle Treasure event.
Having this in the Wondrous Trail makes it an unachievable target.
Could dev please consider removing it from the Wondrous Trail or lowering the number of players required for this game?

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You’ve completed DT. If you don’t do the PVP duty, that leaves 15 other duties. It’s kind of a non issue. I’m more in favour of adding another pvp roulette

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Originally Posted by CamuiKushi

Honestly

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I'm not surprised about this popping up seeing that the mode died as soon as folks got their mounts from their respective maps.

Played this game for 11 years and never got the chance to enjoy Rival Wings. I hear it is great too, I really wish it was in the Roulette system.

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Originally Posted by Morphiana

Played this game for 11 years and never got the chance to enjoy Rival Wings. I hear it is great too, I really wish it was in the Roulette system.

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People usually spam it during Mogstone events.

I'm genuinely amazed Rival Wings hasn't been added to Duty Roulette yet. CC I could understand not being added since both match and queue times are short, but why not Rival Wings?

They should just add a PvP roulette, and put all 3 PvP modes in it. Not sure why Frontlines was the only one that got a duty roulette.

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Originally Posted by OliverQ

They should just add a PvP roulette, and put all 3 PvP modes in it. Not sure why Frontlines was the only one that got a duty roulette.

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I disagree. If they were to add CC and RW into roulettes it should be as separate roulettes. A combined roulette would hurt Frontline’s queue and the resulting Rival Wings queue while existent will be bad. CC’s queue probably wouldn’t change. Separate roulettes would ideally give all 3 modes a healthy queue.

I thought they were adding a new Rival Wings map, is that still happening or did they can it?


I'm not sure they could combine rival wings and frontlines into one queue, since they have different size parties and total players.

Frontline turning into "PvP Roulette" or something like that would be a good change.

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Originally Posted by Morphiana

Another option is to please add it into the roulette system so I can stop doing Frontlines for the daily reward.

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I'll expand on this but add more to pvp roulletes in general
why not Frontline, rival wings and CC?

I guess with CC you can't queue with friends (which in casual is kind of weird anyway), but a big reason why PVP isn't "popular" is because most of it doesn't really benefit the average player.

Edit: other people have mentioned this before me so this idea already is somewhat something most people can easily think of lol, I don't get why pvp roul is just frontline (arguably the least enjoyable pvp from my perspective)

I love Rival Wings so it sucks that it's such a pain in the butt to play. I'd love for it to be a roulette of its own or be added to the PvP Roulette. Seeing it waste a slot in my Wondrous Tails is just twisting the knife. lol Sometimes there's games popping at like 2am in my timezone but that's not something I really wanna stay up for.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

So because I'm not speedrunning the MSQ and instead going through all the ARR and HW side content I can, I'm just SOL, eh?

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Yes. lol

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

So because I'm not speedrunning the MSQ and instead going through all the ARR and HW side content I can, I'm just SOL, eh?

Guess I'll need to jump right on that and start skipping all of those pesky cutscenes to make sure I won't have this problem next week, because clearly the MSQ is just getting in my way now.

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It’s not about speed running and skipping cutscenes, it’s about not doing MSQ at all. I mean 14 lvl 100 combat jobs and all others at 90+ while being at lvl 61 MSQ… You haven’t touched MSQ since you finished HW almost three months ago. It is entirely self inflicted. The only thing preventing you from getting more seals is your refusal to do MSQ.

The Frontlines roulette isn't a true roulette anyway, it's a set map per day.
There are three maps and on day four the cycle starts over. I wish they'd add RW and made the cycle four days and then repeat. That would not necessitated a new roulette but would give RW a bigger pool of bodies.

Probably because of Rival Wings being a mode that doesn't involve the three grand companies but just two teams. But speaking of scheduled frontline maps can't we just swap out The Borderland Ruins (Secure) for Rival Wings? It's been disabled since 6.4.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

I believe Stormblood even has one or two Trials that are literally impossible without more than one person, and that's just the Normal versions.

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Nah, only 1 of them is impossible.

The other one requires a literal frame-perfect trick.

Never played rival wings, because it never opened up for me. So yeah...either bring it into roulette or remove it from WT.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

Right, and getting through the MSQ at this "designated pace" to get those seals would involve a lot of mashing of the ESC key or just buying skips, or otherwise abandoning a lot of side content as I reach "To Be Continued", which would be ironic because said content makes up most of the journal entries via Extremes/Alliance Raids, so I would be rushing through the MSQ just to end up with the same problem of limited choices, and that's assuming I even could reliably solo Dungeons/Extremes from Stormblood and beyond because mechanics, rather than damage, could stop me cold every time. (I believe Stormblood even has one or two Trials that are literally impossible without more than one person, and that's just the Normal versions.)

Hell, having a journal full of Endwalker/Dawntrail Extremes isn't helpful no matter where I am in the MSQ as I couldn't feasibly do them regardless. Bad enough getting strangled by the RNG of getting lines, or how Second Chances don't come easily even on Dynamis, but I'll be stuck redoing the oldest content anyway because there comes a hard cut-off point of what I can actually do no matter what I've unlocked.

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Every single 70 dungeon and extreme except one (Susano but you only need 2) can be soloed. Bosses drop in 1-2 mins. Can’t solo? Use PF instead of complaining without even trying once and find one or two ppl, you don’t need a full group.

Oh and please do NOT complain about using the esc key and mashing buttons. As said above you haven’t touched MSQ in 3 months: that’s an awfully long cutscene…

Btw you can’t have a journal full of EW and DT cutscenes of you haven’t finished those expansions first so idk why you bring that up. Besides, there are no DT extremes in WT and you can get enough seals in a lvl 100 without even touching EW and DT - DT is max 2 seals only btw :a lvl 100 dungeon and a possibility only of a lvl 91-100.

Instead of complaining about imaginary BS, just play the game as intended. You only have yourself to blame.

Want to get more seals? Play the game. WT requires minimal effort (btw all I needed this week to get it was lvl <= 60 duties that were all easily soloable)

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

I'd rather not pester anyone else to do old Extremes, especially when they likely don't have anything to gain by doing them, or worse, they'll insist on trying to do them synced when that's well beyond my skill level.

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No need to pester anyone but if you need to use PF, ppl are happy to help. Use the tools that the game provides instead of complaining. At lvl 100 you are awfully OP for lvl 70 content.

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and blast through it while skipping everything I can.

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You are the only one saying that. There is enough time to watch cutscenes. You just haven’t done a single MSQ quest since mid june

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When I mentioned a "journal full of" Endwalker/Dawntrail content I'm talking about the Wondrous Tails one

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That’s impossible. At lvl 100, there’s always:
- 4 regular dungeons: a lvl 1-60 dungeon + 1 lvl 61-80 + 1x81-99 and one lvl 100;
- 2 alliance raids: 1 x alliance raid lvl 50-80 + 1 EW raid
- 3 old normal raids (lvl 50-90) and only one can be lvl 90
- either a treasure with portal (only need to enter, not even kill stuff inside) or 10 levels of a DD (requires lvl 15)
- 5 trials (lvl 50-90) and they can’t be all lvl 80-90 (only one lvl 90 max). There’s always some lvl 50 or 60.
- 1x one of three pvp modes (lvl 30).

You will likely get enough seals with stormblood completed and certainly enough with ShB

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Originally Posted by Toutatis

You’ve completed DT. If you don’t do the PVP duty, that leaves 15 other duties. It’s kind of a non issue. I’m more in favour of adding another pvp roulette

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I'm not sure what "DT" means, but the key point is: what is the purpose of setting a target that is impossible to achieve?

You could always argue that there are 15 other targets to complete the Tails. (Including 3+ Extreme challenges that require help from other players, with most of the others taking 15+ minutes to finish. You’ll probably need additional time for those, simply because you weren’t lucky enough to join one through the daily roulette.)

I don’t see how making the entire book accessible would infringe on your rights, but if you're comfortable with the current situation, I respect that.

I just want to emphasize that offering something unachievable is poor UX design, and it can be easily fixed.

It should never be based on Level anyways.

It should be based of MSQ points.

I'm on my new Rothgal alt, and I'm already level 58 on my BLM/30-31 on PLD.

The only thing I've done is all Sidequests as they pop up all over the map, Hunting Log, and Leveling and GHs as they show up each day. (Which also brings up, why the Hell is Job Quests Locked behind MSQ. They aren't even connected in what they referenced to the msq in ARR. why do I need to go all the way to Lil solace just so I can warp back to uldah and get my jobstone. When I easily outleveled by just playing the game. as was expected. <no, the exp changes, and Roulettes boosting me don't count. Specially as there is no Road to 90/100 going on.)

They give you rewards/achievements based on what point of the msq you're at.

They can use the title achievements as way points. if certain Trials/Extremes/Normals dropped on the same patch as that Title/Msq Achievement. That should be the bar in which things unlock.


Way too easy to enjoy the game this way.

and if others are doing it for other reasons, let em.

It's literally just QoL that's being asked by OP and others.

Makes no sense to bash the player who literally is playing the game as is/was designed. rather than the system that got outgrown, mostly, by the game.

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As for the whole making pvp queues, which isn't the cause of what OP is experiencing but a symptom.

Who knows what SE has planned for PVP.
They did some good changes. but we have no way in hell knowing how some things haven't changed. like the idea of diminishing FOMO(and I hope, everything returning. with no alterations. even to name.)