Dragoon suggestion

I am having a blast with dragoon and I have some suggestions:

- Less buttons for GCDs:
keep the 5 GCD combo as it is but less buttons.
merge: Lance Barrage and Heavens Thrust in same button..
marge: Spiral Blow and Chaotic Spring same button
now instead of having 7 button we have 5.

- Add Invisibility for short period of time while:
High Jump
Dragonfire Dive
Stardiver
Elusive Jump

- Winged Glider feels okay but I prefer old jump

No merging or removing GCDs. Give Lance Barrage a specific role, if anything, since it doesn't have a clear one. One of the few unique traits left to the job is precisely the 7 different GCDs that form the 10 GCD string rotation.

What they could also do is turn Life Surge into a 20s GCD with charges that is always a (direct) critical hit and/or provides a scale when used. This way the filler would be less empty.

Being invincible while jumping would be game breaking and doesn't really mesh well with the way PvE works in this game. Making High Jump provide a short 1-2 second invincibility in PvP could be alright though.

Turning Winged Glide's animation into an actual jump is good. Also reduce the CD to 30 or at least 45 seconds.

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Originally Posted by Aco505

No merging or removing GCDs. Give Lance Barrage a specific role, if anything, since it doesn't have a clear one. One of the few unique traits left to the job is precisely the 7 different GCDs that form the 10 GCD string rotation.

What they could also do is turn Life Surge into a 20s GCD with charges that is always a (direct) critical hit and/or provides a scale when used. This way the filler would be less empty.

Being invincible while jumping would be game breaking and doesn't really mesh well with the way PvE works in this game. Making High Jump provide a short 1-2 second invincibility in PvP could be alright though.

Turning Winged Glide's animation into an actual jump is good. Also reduce the CD to 30 or at least 45 seconds.

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merging GCDs to be less button is a personal choice.. I am glad that you are enjoying But I wish I had an option to merge them and I didn't mention removing 5 GCD combo.

Removing healing from Life surge and add direct hit would be great.

I don't think invincibility for 1 second would break the game.. what breaking the game is the current monk and reaper healing capability.. as a self defensive skill I think it is a great addition.

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Originally Posted by Tunda

- Less buttons for GCDs:
keep the 5 GCD combo as it is but less buttons.
merge: Lance Barrage and Heavens Thrust in same button..
marge: Spiral Blow and Chaotic Spring same button
now instead of having 7 button we have 5.

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No thanks.

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

No thanks.

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Yes please.

Invincibility for 1 Sec even for 0.5s would literally break the Game what do you mean "i dont think it would break the game" dude i ask you yet again do you actually play the game besides limsa and maybe open world stuff?

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Originally Posted by AvoSturmfaust

Invincibility for 1 Sec even for 0.5s would literally break the Game what do you mean "i dont think it would break the game" dude i ask you yet again do you actually play the game besides limsa and maybe open world stuff?

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Why u mad?

If its opitional sure, have full thrust and chaos thrust transform into the two extra enders but keep this optional. I like having longer combos for dragoon and want to keep it, theres a new system they put in place for both to exist.

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Originally Posted by Ramiee

If its opitional sure, have full thrust and chaos thrust transform into the two extra enders but keep this optional. I like having longer combos for dragoon and want to keep it, theres a new system they put in place for both to exist.

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Ofc optional ..
As someone who tried both old dragoon and current Viper in controller
I can say that having less button is an improvement for people who uses controller

Plenty of controller users in the past have debunked that idea floating around that playing DRG on controller causes issues.

The job is already simplified as it can be. Basically a WAR clone at this point but without having a gauge. The last thing we need is GCD consolidation.

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Originally Posted by Aco505

Plenty of controller users in the past have debunked that idea floating around that playing DRG on controller causes issues.

The job is already simplified as it can be. Basically a WAR clone at this point but without having a gauge. The last thing we need is GCD consolidation.

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We can have both

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Originally Posted by BabyYoda

We can have both

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When jobs become more complex, it's a possibility to discuss. Right now, it'd make them even simpler and worse, especially on DRG.

It shows how many posters about DRG matters don't play the job too much. Unlike most other jobs, the DRG basic combo GCDs are the only ones in their kit. There's no Vicewinder + followups, no Blitzes, no Replies, no Raijus or Mudras, no Iaijutsu, no Gibbet and Gallows... It's just the 7 basic GCDs.

Consolidating or simplifying this would make the job even simpler and more mind-numbing than it already is in the filler phase. What it needs right now is more, not less.

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Originally Posted by Aco505

When jobs become more complex, it's a possibility to discuss. Right now, it'd make them even simpler and worse, especially on DRG.

It shows how many posters about DRG matters don't play the job too much. Unlike most other jobs, the DRG basic combo GCDs are the only ones in their kit. There's no Vicewinder + followups, no Blitzes, no Replies, no Raijus or Mudras, no Iaijutsu, no Gibbet and Gallows... It's just the 7 basic GCDs.

Consolidating or simplifying this would make the job even simpler and more mind-numbing than it already is in the filler phase. What it needs right now is more, not less.

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What is bothering you people have options?
I don't get it
You can have 7 buttons gcd combo and let us have less we both can live with different hotbars

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Originally Posted by BabyYoda

Why u mad?

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Because i cant stand people making suggestions without actually knowing how a class properly works or how much would break through the "suggestions"

1s invisibility would mean you can nearly cheese close to every mechanic in the game

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Originally Posted by AvoSturmfaust

Because i cant stand people making suggestions without actually knowing how a class properly works or how much would break through the "suggestions"

1s invisibility would mean you can nearly cheese close to every mechanic in the game

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It is my right to suggest what I want..
Making things optional will not change your experience

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Originally Posted by AvoSturmfaust

1s invisibility would mean you can nearly cheese close to every mechanic in the game

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That suggestion made me burst out laughing when I read it. PLD invincibility is on a 7 minute timer but DRG gets one every 30 seconds? Lmfao.

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Originally Posted by BabyYoda

It is my right to suggest what I want..
Making things optional will not change your experience

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Im not talking about merging the Skill thats something i dont care but giving Dragoon with the Jumps a 1s INVISIBILITY is NOT OPTIONAL and it HURTS the EXPERIENCE of everyone expect you.

Btw it wasnt you which suggest it, but judging your forum posts its always in the same thread as tundras and you always agree to tundra, so its kind of really really cringe to be with a double account in the forum.

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Originally Posted by AvoSturmfaust

Im not talking about merging the Skill thats something i dont care but giving Dragoon with the Jumps a 1s INVISIBILITY is NOT OPTIONAL and it HURTS the EXPERIENCE of everyone expect you.

Btw it wasnt you which suggest it, but judging your forum posts its always in the same thread as tundras and you always agree to tundra, so its kind of really really cringe to be with a double account in the forum.

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You can disagree without being mad.. being mad means you get emotional for someone who do not care about u.

I do not hide that I have 2 account because I have message daily limit.. and it is still not ur business that I have 2 accounts.

Consider that GNB and PLD can use their invuln to cheese mechanics, which isn't broken due to their very long CDs but very useful.

1 second invulnerability could be used to dodge mechanics and debuff all together, which is the very definition of cheese. Put it on DRG that jumps 4~5 times per minute?
Even without intention, you would cheese mechanics.

If DRG had a Shield that covers 100% of its HP but debuff go through it would already be infinitely more balanced.

I would suggest removing all button but 1 which would apply a 600s DoT.
The DoT cannot be enhanced by any form of raid buff /debuff or potions.

Additionnally, while the buff is active, your character will start doing cool jumping animation.
The button has no CD so you can spam it for the lols and the feeling of doing good by smashing buttons, but less buttons.

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Originally Posted by Sylvain

I would suggest removing all button but 1 which would apply a 600s DoT.
The DoT cannot be enhanced by any form of raid buff /debuff or potions.

Additionnally, while the buff is active, your character will start doing cool jumping animation.
The button has no CD so you can spam it for the lols and the feeling of doing good by smashing buttons, but less buttons.

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even though with your suggestion the job will still be harder than summoner I am sorry but that's the truth

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Originally Posted by Tunda

even though with your suggestion the job will still be harder than summoner I am sorry but that's the truth

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Nah SMN is super hard, you can't Radiant Aegis if carbuncle is gone that takes a lot of planning and strategy. I even have to put down my phone for a second to check if the animation is over.