WHM Pebble Tossers

This is a dumb topic but it's been on my mind for too long and I need to put it out somewhere and I'm sorry.

The JP playerbase pre-ShB used to refer to WHM (or healers?) that preferred to dps over keeping their party alive as 石投げ士, or Pebble Tosser, in reference to their attack spells being Stone.

I recently stumbled on a Dengeki Online article describing the job's changes during the ShB Media Tour and the first thing they say regarding Glare was "You can't say all we do is just throw rocks anymore!" and I've since been wondering if the devs somehow decided it was the visual effect that was the problem and that's how we ended up with just lights and flowers made of light from then on.

Surely they couldn't be that cheeky, right? Right??

No, it’s completely on-brand. Especially following all of the other healer changes. For example, SGE, is supposed to be “heals through DPSing”, but it’s only Kardia. So…no…you’re not really healing through DPSing, but they claim they did. Or with SCH and Seraphism. You ate so many fairies, you get to turn into a fairy…I mean get to turn into an angel, because we can totally dissipate Seraph, right? Right?

No it's because they ran out of spell names. I know in english it is just Stone I - IV, but in other languages the spells have specific endings. In german it's -ra, -ga, -ka for example, I don't know the endings in other languages. These endings are used in basically all Final Fantasy games and Yoshi did not wanted to invent a new ending for the spell names.

It's also likely the reason why we jumped from Glare to Glare III / -ga, so we could end on level 100 with the -ka ending.

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Originally Posted by Tint

No it's because they ran out of spell names. I know in english it is just Stone I - IV, but in other languages the spells have specific endings. In german it's -ra, -ga, -ka for example, I don't know the endings in other languages. These endings are used in basically all Final Fantasy games and Yoshi did not wanted to invent a new ending for the spell names.

It's also likely the reason why we jumped from Glare to Glare III / -ga, so we could end on level 100 with the -ka ending.

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Off topic, but why is English literally the only language to get a numbered spell naming system instead of a suffix based on? Do they genuinely think EN players are that stupid that we can’t understand -ra/-ga/-ja lol. The more I read or think about this game the more it feels like a huge middle finger to western English players (sorry EN speakers you’re too stupid for suffixes, here’s some numbers so you don’t tax your tiny little western brain).

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Sorry. Can't resist linking this.

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Originally Posted by Tint

No it's because they ran out of spell names. I know in english it is just Stone I - IV, but in other languages the spells have specific endings. In german it's -ra, -ga, -ka for example, I don't know the endings in other languages. These endings are used in basically all Final Fantasy games and Yoshi did not wanted to invent a new ending for the spell names.

It's also likely the reason why we jumped from Glare to Glare III / -ga, so we could end on level 100 with the -ka ending.

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Right it's Stone, Stonra, Stonga, Stonja in Japanese too, but they dodged that problem for BLM by adding High to the name and calling it High Fira and such.

Also YoshiP's joked about going to -gyo suffixes, which Amdapor canonically debated on using vs the -ja suffix for CureIV, according to one of the books found in Gubal Hard.

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Originally Posted by Azurarok

Also YoshiP's joked about going to -gyo prefixes, which Amdapor canonically debated on using vs the -ja prefix for CureIV, according to one of the books found in Gubal Hard.

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Which raises the question: Where is our Cure IV?

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Originally Posted by Alice_Rivers

Which raises the question: Where is our Cure IV?

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Knowing the dev team it'll only proc with freecure.

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Originally Posted by Azurarok

Right it's Stone, Stonra, Stonga, Stonja in Japanese too, but they dodged that problem for BLM by adding High to the name and calling it High Fira and such.

Also YoshiP's joked about going to -gyo prefixes, which Amdapor canonically debated on using vs the -ja prefix for CureIV, according to one of the books found in Gubal Hard.

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KH also has the 5th level suffix as -Za (as in, Stopza), so we still had some space

I wish we EN at least had the option of whether to use I/II/III or Cure/Cura/Curaga based on preference

well now yall have me waiting for that Zettacuraza

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Originally Posted by Connor

Off topic, but why is English literally the only language to get a numbered spell naming system instead of a suffix based on? Do they genuinely think EN players are that stupid that we can’t understand -ra/-ga/-ja lol. The more I read or think about this game the more it feels like a huge middle finger to western English players (sorry EN speakers you’re too stupid for suffixes, here’s some numbers so you don’t tax your tiny little western brain).

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This has less to do with opinions on westerners and more to do with the English localization team's efforts to hearken back to early ffs as much as possible. In English, the original FFs (and through 7) all translated spell ranks by adding numbers. This is the same reason we have Paladin instead of 'Knight', given the first English translation of FF4.

While I feel it's been less distinctive in later years (or maybe it's just the writing in general?), for the most part the English localization has been astounding for the game's life so I tend to give them a bit more credit than that.

Could of just updated the effects instead of replacing the abilities but then again it's FFXIV, the SFX always end up going down the worst route. DRK is stuck with literally the most boring animations from HW instead of any of the cool ones.

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This has less to do with opinions on westerners and more to do with the English localization team's efforts to hearken back to early ffs as much as possible. In English, the original FFs (and through 7) all translated spell ranks by adding numbers. This is the same reason we have Paladin instead of 'Knight', given the first English translation of FF4.

While I feel it's been less distinctive in later years (or maybe it's just the writing in general?), for the most part the English localization has been astounding for the game's life so I tend to give them a bit more credit than that.

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The Number thing is a reference to the ealiest FF Games in english but the original reason for that was based on necessity to keep the Letter limit on the original Nintendo Entertainment System. So it was Fir1 Fir2 and Fir3 in that case.

But one should mention the English version loves to do there own stuff which then clashes with the rest of localisations. Apparently during Endwalker a lot of people complained about this fact in the forum or atleast so i read.
Little Correction so, Knight was the upgraded Form of Warrior in the original Final Fantasy, while Cecils Job from the beginning was Paladin. :)

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Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe

KH also has the 5th level suffix as -Za (as in, Stopza), so we still had some space

I wish we EN at least had the option of whether to use I/II/III or Cure/Cura/Curaga based on preference

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Waiting impatiently for the days of -gun spells, which also saw mention in KH—albeit only as accessories.

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Originally Posted by Azurarok

well now yall have me waiting for that Zettacuraza

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This spell name reminds me of him:

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